Ode to Loser Venos

Lupercalia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The following is completely sarcastic and intended to be used as satire. Please, if you must get offended, get offended at the things being satirized, not the literal content.

Ode to Loser Venos Who Don't Want to Follow the Rules

O ye intolerable whelps, who insist on challenging the digital dieties. Doth thou not know that the Baby Hercules is indominatable? Dost thou thinketh that one can simply continue playing past level 39 without the be-all pet of the game? I see you there with your magmite, your sawfly, your eldergoth. What a pitiful site you make, inspiring my gag reflex at the audacity which you propose! Get a Herc. Get a Herc! Get a Herc, you twit!!

PvP, TT, Soloing FB; these are the things I am best at! If you cannot do the same, then I have no patience for you! We need an army of Hercs and Pheonixes,too (but only for PvP). Conform, conform, or we'll find you and kill you! If you are poor, use a golem or sawfly, nothing else is permitted! Do not use the inferior, math does not lie! Stats, stats, that's all thats important!

Do not use that wolfkin, you're wasting everyone's time! Do not tame that beetle, you'll stand out in the crowd! For heaven's sake, throw away that Adalwolf, it's uselessness is beyond all comprehension! What ever you do, stay away from Kittennice! Her insistance upon venomancer deviance makes my stomach churn! A veno with an axe? Preposterous! There are rules, you know! Venos can't just go running around with an axe, killing things on their own!

Do what you're told and no one gets hurt. By disobeying the experts, you only hurt yourselves! This is a game, take it seriously!

Except for a mis-spell. Everything else seems fine.

I own a herc. but seriously, I think it's up to individual play style and what's pleasing to them. b:cute

We cannot force them to buy hercs especially now when gold prices are high and at the end of the day, it's their choice, imho, and no one should be forced into any play-style.

Wanna be an Axe-wielding veno? Go Ahead, be creative and who knows, you may be a pioneer of the new build. Stats are just pure numbers. Effectiveness is in the eyes of the beholder, but not necessary true for the player (owner).

"Innovate, not imitate." b:victory

Lupercalia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The following is completely sarcastic and intended to be used as satire. Please, if you must get offended, get offended at the things being satirized, not the literal content.

Ode to Loser Venos Who Don't Want to Follow the Rules

O ye intolerable whelps, who insist on challenging the digital dieties. Doth thou not know that the Baby Hercules is indominatable? Dost thou thinketh that one can simply continue playing past level 39 without the be-all pet of the game? I see you there with your magmite, your sawfly, your eldergoth. What a pitiful site you make, inspiring my gag reflex at the audacity which you propose! Get a Herc. Get a Herc! Get a Herc, you twit!!

PvP, TT, Soloing FB; these are the things I am best at! If you cannot do the same, then I have no patience for you! We need an army of Hercs and Pheonixes,too (but only for PvP). Conform, conform, or we'll find you and kill you! If you are poor, use a golem or sawfly, nothing else is permitted! Do not use the inferior, math does not lie! Stats, stats, that's all thats important!

Do not use that wolfkin, you're wasting everyone's time! Do not tame that beetle, you'll stand out in the crowd! For heaven's sake, throw away that Adalwolf, it's uselessness is beyond all comprehension! What ever you do, stay away from Kittennice! Her insistance upon venomancer deviance makes my stomach churn! A veno with an axe? Preposterous! There are rules, you know! Venos can't just go running around with an axe, killing things on their own!

Do what you're told and no one gets hurt. By disobeying the experts, you only hurt yourselves! This is a game, take it seriously!

So mean...b:sadb:cry

I laughed at ode.
p.s. bowmancers ftw b:laugh

Kyuu_rei - Heavens Tear wrote: »

"Innovate, not imitate." b:victory

Innovation C.I.R.C.U.S.?

You would sooo hate meb:sin

Rayder, my Sharptooth Wolfling IS my MAIN petb:sin

ANd NO, i dont have a Magmite.

Me have this:
Sharptooth Wolfling (Main Pet, even in instances like FBs)
Tabby Plumdrop
Lyncean Hunter (DDer on Boss with his theaten)
Pinnaer Foxwing
Guardian Wolf (Magical Tank, back up tank and DDer on Boss)
Steelhide Grimalkin (Lurer)
Death Dancer

AND I dont plan on having a Herc, but I want a phoenix cause they are coolb:sin

So yeah, me no conformist at all XP LOL b:chuckle

WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »

too bad alot of this is true and 90% of venos are losers :P.

Only because they don't know how to handle the class and go "What's that? Is it important?" when you tell them you want them to Amp. Because when you ask them to pull they don't know how to do it and your squad ends up trying to Zhen the mobs the idiot pulled (along with the boss - situation dependent). Because of the events many people have zoomed through levels with oracles and don't know diddly about how to play their class period and think it's OK to hide behind the pet and heal only when it looks like it's about to die. (DDing is fun, you kill faster when you help your pet kill you know. Which is better? Three hours to complete a quest or thirty minutes?) Because some people are just totally freaking clueless...

Taranta - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*hides in a corner with Cub*

You'll never get me! Never! I'll distract you with shiny things!

My veno too b:pleased

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Only because they don't know how to handle the class and go "What's that? Is it important?" when you tell them you want them to Amp.

...and the list goes on: venos who don't use amp, venos who tend to waste sparks on Parastic Nova/Frost Scarab when the tank is out of chi, venos who don't turn off bash/flesh ream and annoy the hell out of the barb, and my personal favorite - the veno who always steals aggro from the pet (underleveled pet skills ftl) while trying to off-tank.

PS: Respect for all the good venos out there!

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

...and the list goes on: venos who don't use amp, venos who tend to waste sparks on Parastic Nova/Frost Scarab when the tank is out of chi, venos who don't turn off bash/flesh ream and annoy the hell out of the barb, and my personal favorite - the veno who always steals aggro from the pet (underleveled pet skills ftl) while trying to off-tank.

PS: Respect for all the good venos out there!

b:angry Not the veno's fault. If they need chi they should ask for it, otherwise they use the skills they want (though I agree Frost is kinda useless). b:victory I always let the tanker know I intend to fight them for agro rights. It's a game I played with my friends and now it's a permanent part of my playing style.

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Agreed. However a veno who is constantly out of spark because of those skills, can't use Lending Hand when the tank asks for it.

The only time sparks are needed for a barb are if an archer with a good weapon is around, otherwise I've never seen a barb actually need chi to hold aggro. What they generate is more than sufficient. To counter your own point, someone whos job is to deal damage sitting on sparks rather than using them, is wasting potential damage for the squad and could also be said to fail. Though, I think it's better to spark than use nova unless you're after the freeze but it's a fun skill to use. To be perfectly honest, I find I give sparks to wizards/archers (for ae's) and clerics (so they can put BB back up on mobs that ae and stop it) than I give them to barbs.

Haha... sounds fun. b:chuckle Of course there's nothing wrong with this game, it's on purpose and the tank is forewarned.

Any tank that's unable to hold aggro off of the weakest nuking class in the game doesn't deserve to be tanking anyways.

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem is not the veno, it's the pet. If the pet has decently leveled skills (switched on), it's a matter of time and the tank will lose aggro when fighting [?] bosses.

It does depend on the boss they are facing. I have amped and Demon sparked and then hit with my hardest hitting skills with every intention of taking agro. Hell, I took agro on Phlebo without even doing that. I had my attack macro on (Loop-Ironwood-Venomous-Blazing-Venomous-Noxious-Venomous-Lucky). I can't remember what we had tanking either. b:cry I stole agro from a L99 Herc when I was L92 on Stygean in 79 (and died twice). I was only spamming Demon Venomous Scarab too!

I've come across some hella good barbs and bms that just don't lose agro to me or anyone else in the squad. Those people earn a spot on my friend's list and I bring them with me when I'm facing something too tough for anyone lesser. Harsh but true.

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

True in general... on the other hand I often run into situations when the barb is 10+ level lower than the rest of the party so the kitty ends up spamming flesh ream constantly.

I can see that sometimes but never ran into it myself really, then again I've almost never grouped with a barb to tank something when the level gap was that large. It's a really small list of mobs that an 83 barb can tank, which a 93 herc can't (or 80/90, 70/80, etc) with the most notable now probably beign Polearm due to BH.

The problem is not the veno, it's the pet. If the pet has decently leveled skills (switched on), it's a matter of time and the tank will lose aggro when fighting [?] bosses.

You can get around that by resummoning the pet if you want. Personally, I just turn pet skills off (which is also what makes a herc such a great DD pet, without having to gain skill aggro it's capable of nearly matching a magmite/scorpion spamming 3-4 skills). I took Sevas's comment to be referring to his/her own aggro though. A good barb will keep aggro off a veno using lots of triple spark/lucky, a bad one won't. It's actually a pretty good way of testing the tanks limits. Nova right as mobs reach camp is always a fun one too, but I've stopped using that one a lot, and instead give it 1-2 seconds. Dealing with recasting bramble because the barb hit alpha male always gets to me.

On a side note, alpha male makes me really resent sage bramble.

It does depend on the boss they are facing. I have amped and Demon sparked and then hit with my hardest hitting skills with every intention of taking agro. Hell, I took agro on Phlebo without even doing that. I had my attack macro on (Loop-Ironwood-Venomous-Blazing-Venomous-Noxious-Venomous-Lucky). I can't remember what we had tanking either. I stole agro from a L99 Herc when I was L92 on Stygean in 79 (and died twice). I was only spamming Demon Venomous Scarab too!

Phlebo has an aggro reset every few seconds, just like Ethereal Abomination. Taking aggro on it is pretty easy to do. The fact that he's earth just makes it that much easier to pull off. He's one of those guys I don't stand next to when it comes time to amp.

Stygean is just evil to higher level arcanes. He wasn't that bad at lower levels, but now I'm hesitant to even use my heal/nuke macro on him. Between being an archer (and thus the worst thing for me to fight), no reflect damage, and such a low level that nukes are really high, it's pretty much the opposite effect of a ? boss. Infact, I did a BH79 today and we had a level 98 herc tanking Stygean. I started off with soul degeneration followed by amp, and waiting for about 10 seconds then attacked. I was dead in 5 nukes (3 venomous 2 iw). That's 5 nukes after a level 98 herc got 3 bashes in. I really hate stygean.

If I could get ahold of the skill I would test it. I'm not expecting it to be any better than the 60% though. Even if it got 65% or something, it's not like the value would change, it's one of those skills where sage just doesn't come close to demon but that's perfectly ok with me. It means when a demon veno is around I don't have to worry about buffing people.

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

- the veno who always steals aggro from the pet (underleveled pet skills ftl) while trying to off-tank.

PS: Respect for all the good venos out there!

Hey hey hey, when I first got my herc I could only afford to give it level 1 bash, I wasn't rich you know. A good venomancer should be able to recover or be able to handle a situation where they steal aggro however if they do it often due to low levelled skills. They cost 200k per to upgrade, 5 highest level. Might sound cheap but at the time I was very poor b:sad

I was able to keep boss aggro very well with just my herc's level 1 bash and reflect if the other DDers held off for the first minute and allowed the herc to establish the aggro.

go away silly level 47 veno

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

A good venomancer should be able to recover or be able to handle a situation where they steal aggro however if they do it often due to low levelled skills.

Sadly there's a lot of not so good one out there.

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear wrote: »

go away silly level 47 veno

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just got a little confused here, what does the OP being level 47 have to do with anything?

Yay for the ordinary "I iz high level, gtfo and stfu noob!!one11!!eleven!!!" mentality. b:spit