Before the era of Nix/Herc...
Sunaro - Lost City
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So, I recently decided to try my hand at playing a veno, but I don't plan on spending a bunch of coin/irl cash to get a nix and/or herc for my veno. So, what I wanna know is this: What were the "original" tank and pk pets before the Legendary pets came along? I seem to remember some people talking about Sawflys for pk and Magmites for tanking, but I'm not exactly sure. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. b:thanks
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magmites for physical/general tanking were the veno's first choice.
sawflies for pk were a must.
harder to get was the Shadou Cub (rare), was a good general tank and many used this as a primary general/magic tank bc it has decent hp. Although its attack isnt that great.
There are other pets with better mag defense than the cub but their hp leaves something to be desired.
Later the Kowlin (rare) was also a must for PvP as it was very fast and had bleed already.
Some will argue for other pets but these were the general consensus for the majority of venos out there.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
basic must haves are crystaline golem, saw fly OR windwalking piggy (if you are like me, and too squeamish to constantly have a wasp around! brrrr!). various wolves do well. i always liked the big black and white one at Broken Bow, and he worked with me for a long time. another great lil tank that will work for you for a long time is the mechacrab...cute, and tough. for a water pet, get one of the vortex turtles from the waterfall lake near Plume. good level of bash, and will help you grind lots of money till you can get in the air. (underwater and in the air mobs have better drops and exp/sp than ground ones, so level and work as much as you can in the river on turtles! ^_^)
the kowlins are pure music in motion, and do make good pets to grind with, though you have to keep an eye on their HP, but they do so much damage so fast i believe its well worth it. i do have a little bear, but like all my other pets, untill recently, i didnt know/couldnt afford to take them to MrsZoo to level their moves ....this is imperative!!!!! otherwise, they lose aggro to you, and you are the target then. so im working on rectifying that problem asap. expensive, but worth it, i believeSunaro - Lost City wrote: »So, I recently decided to try my hand at playing a veno, but I don't plan on spending a bunch of coin/irl cash to get a nix and/or herc for my veno. So, what I wanna know is this: What were the "original" tank and pk pets before the Legendary pets came along? I seem to remember some people talking about Sawflys for pk and Magmites for tanking, but I'm not exactly sure. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. b:thanks[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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is it only the magmites that are super awesome, or does it apply to all golems?0
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All magmites are good - but as with all pets, the lower levels ones end up with better stats.
The higher level ones start with better skills. But you can buy skills.
There's not a huge amount of difference in stats between the earlier golems, but by the time you get up to the level of the shikou it's really noticable.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »All magmites are good - but as with all pets, the lower levels ones end up with better stats.
The higher level ones start with better skills. But you can buy skills.
There's not a huge amount of difference in stats between the earlier golems, but by the time you get up to the level of the shikou it's really noticable.
Gonna pre-emptively correct this since it's important to note, and I know tweakz will probably do the same in a more blunt fashion:
Lower initial level pets of the same family will have higher stats in all categories except speed. They will also generally have fewer total skills, and each of a lower level.
Higher initial level pets from within the same family have higher speed at the expense of stats. They will however, also have more skills, and each of a higher level.
(that is to say, Vitenka is correct in all respects, but forgot to include mention of speed)
Now, a few notes which are of course important to point out:
- Skills can be bought (Mrs.Zoologist, Auction) whereas stats can not.
- This only applies to identical families! Just because a mob looks similar to another does not mean it is of the same family. Wolves for instance have four families... (Source: Snowbloom)
As for non-legendary pets, while I now possess both, in days gone by I made good use of:
- Petite Sawfly: Air attack pet.
- Windwalking Piggy: Great air tank, can use instead of sawfly if you'll get a Phoenix before you start PVPing
- Crystalline Magmite: Nice physical tank. Slow moving and weak to magic, but magic mobs are generally scarce at lower levels. Virtually any golem can work though, as differences are pretty marginal when grinding.
- Shaodu Cub: Nice all-rounder. Attack is poor though.
- Frogling: Like the cub, another good all-rounder. Skillset needs more tweaking however.
- Cactopod: Ranged pet for luring. Does not become obsolete!
Of course, you don't need that many pets... But they're fun to have![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Herc's aren't PK pets. Sawflys are going to be far inferior to the Nix. Scorpions are slow and squishy but do find some PvE uses as well. Consider a Lunar lupin which comes with Lv.5 Howl and well rounded stats making it a decent grind pet as well.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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Sunaro - Lost City wrote: »So, I recently decided to try my hand at playing a veno, but I don't plan on spending a bunch of coin/irl cash to get a nix and/or herc for my veno. So, what I wanna know is this: What were the "original" tank and pk pets before the Legendary pets came along? I seem to remember some people talking about Sawflys for pk and Magmites for tanking, but I'm not exactly sure. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated. b:thanks
I hope you're not rolling on LC with that veno... It's so hard to play my alt here. Especially since it doesn't have a nix or a herc.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Don't really have anything to add, except one thing. If you're looking for a LAND PvP pet, since Sawfly doesn't work indoors, in places like the Cube, go for a Scorpion, or Magmite. Scorpion has very high DD, making it a pretty good choice for pain, and the Magmite is useful as a slightly lower DD, with the added bonus of being able to survive being attacked for a bit. But watch your skills. Certain skills are a must. While debatable, and some people claim you're using an exploit, blah, blah, blah, I'd make sure you put Flesh Ream on either pet.
My Magmite, which is my PvP pet, has Bash, Sandblow, Flesh Ream, and Thunderbolt. Which wrecks poor BMs, as well as Barbs, and pretty much anything else, for that matter... The reason is simple. I fight in Fox Form during PvP. So BMs like to use Alter Marrow Physical, thinking that I can only deal Physical damage. And then they get whacked with Sandblow and Thunderbolt after I Amp them. Bash and Flesh Ream cut through all Robe wearers, as well as most LA, and the elemental skills cut through HA.
Now... As for Water PvP... Yeah. You're pretty screwed there. There is no real DD pet, except MAYBE a certain type of Undine, and that's a stretch as they're not really that powerful. For water PvE, however, just switch and swap as you go, ending in either a Celestial Plumpfish for Tank, or the highest Undine for the DPS.0 -
go for the lv4 cactus its a TRUEr DD then a scorpio as its a range pet and its just as squeshy as scorpio but best yet u dont need 2 buy it any skill as its range skill dont work then its i mean its damage is huge for a regular pet0
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Silvia_Xenth - Lost City wrote: »go for the lv4 cactus its a TRUEr DD then a scorpio as its a range pet and its just as squeshy as scorpio but best yet u dont need 2 buy it any skill as its range skill dont work then its i mean its damage is huge for a regular pet
Fact: Cactopods can put up nice damage numbers.
Cactopods have a high attack value, allowing the Soft Cactopod (Lv.4) to rank 8th among the 35 pets listed on ecatomb at level 90. (3117 Atk)
Fiction: Cactopods are good DDs.
Cactopods have an attack rate of 0.5 attacks per second. In terms of raw attack per second (the product of attack and attack speed), the Soft Cactopod ranks only 23rd of the 35 pets listed on ecatomb at level 90. (1559 Dmg/s)
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The Varicose Scorpion (Lv.2) ranks second in terms of attack power (3336 Atk), behind only the mighty Phoenix. However when adjusted for raw attack per second, with an attack rate of only 0.6 rounds per second, the scorpion ranks third (2002 Dmg/s), behind both of the legendary pets.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Cactopod: 2289 hp, 1559 attack/sec, 36% physical taken, 34% magic taken, 915 dodge, 7.1 speed
Marksman: 2856 hp, 1581 attack/sec, 37% physical taken, 35% magic taken, 1171 dodge, 7.8 speed.
I'm not sure what draw a catcopod really has over a marksman other than it being a good alternative until level 41.0 -
Thanks for including the Marksman for comparison, Brael.Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm not sure what draw a catcopod really has over a marksman other than it being a good alternative until level 41.
It's cute! b:victory
Even though a marksman is better statwise, I use a cactopod as a ranged lurer simply because I like its looks better. That and, when it's only being used to lure, I can count on one hand the number of times it would fail where a marksman would succeed. Plus I can always fall back on my Herc to lure.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Peritia - Lost City wrote: »Thanks for including the Marksman for comparison, Brael.
It's cute! b:victory
Even though a marksman is better statwise, I use a cactopod as a ranged lurer simply because I like its looks better. That and, when it's only being used to lure, I can count on one hand the number of times it would fail where a marksman would succeed. Plus I can always fall back on my Herc to lure.
It's similar to one of the reasons that some dislike using a mag as a tank.Induction ID (Doomsbog): 3080068X031808024008351Z3f4d220 -
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In addition: Bash, Flesh Ream, Claw, etc are based on base atk. This is why I tank Djin with a Scorpion aside from the fact that there is very little reflect dmg.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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