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Euphy - Dreamweaver
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Hey so I know that there have been some very compelling threads in recent weeks arguing against sales and the release of new Boutique content. I would just like to draw attention to the fact that someone has listened.
The old, stale sales are back... resets, training scrolls, and guardian scrolls and such. Okay and a minor battle-pack sales and hammers. But seriously, despite the fact that Anni-packs were released (probably to shore up revenue for the release of a rather large expansion) the "company" has taken our opinions into account.
So yay for them!
On the flip side, seriously, I'm tired of the near-flame threads... just below me someone is complaining about how genies aren't effective for magic classes. My response to them, as a cleric, is that they don't know how to train genies. Holy Path lets me escape, Tree of Life lets me make a last ditch effort, Phoenix Dance supports my AoEs, Rainbow Blessing gives my squad members an edge against bosses, and Earthquake is a way for me to defeat more difficult melee mobs without being touched. The only problem I have is keeping up with the stamina costs.
As for the new classes being over powered... I'd really like to see some evidence for that. Okay I've been browsing the forums and the web and I've read basic skill descriptions and I'm excited. But until they have been released for our client we have no idea whether they'll be overpowered. I hope they're powerful. They'll have to contend with the Venomancer's phoenix, Clerics duality of healing and deadly force, Barbarian's massive health pool, etc. Also there is a chance that a few new abilities will be added to classes that people fear might become obsolete.
So please... feel free to flame, but I'm hoping that some people might realize there isn't some giant conspiracy out there. Just a company that is trying to market a very complex product and must keep the interests of its shareholders in mind.
Gold prices... well seriously I would never sell $1 for 100,000 coins that isn't worth it... It will eventually sink to 200,000 because the coin chests ought to be capping it there. Just give it time and act responsibly. Also accept the fact that some people are simply so wealthy that they can afford gold at 250% the expected value. The one thing you can count on (besides the greed of all the players, myself included) is the fact that the company doesn't want to lose customers. So: give them suggestions but please... stop complaining so much.
The old, stale sales are back... resets, training scrolls, and guardian scrolls and such. Okay and a minor battle-pack sales and hammers. But seriously, despite the fact that Anni-packs were released (probably to shore up revenue for the release of a rather large expansion) the "company" has taken our opinions into account.
So yay for them!
On the flip side, seriously, I'm tired of the near-flame threads... just below me someone is complaining about how genies aren't effective for magic classes. My response to them, as a cleric, is that they don't know how to train genies. Holy Path lets me escape, Tree of Life lets me make a last ditch effort, Phoenix Dance supports my AoEs, Rainbow Blessing gives my squad members an edge against bosses, and Earthquake is a way for me to defeat more difficult melee mobs without being touched. The only problem I have is keeping up with the stamina costs.
As for the new classes being over powered... I'd really like to see some evidence for that. Okay I've been browsing the forums and the web and I've read basic skill descriptions and I'm excited. But until they have been released for our client we have no idea whether they'll be overpowered. I hope they're powerful. They'll have to contend with the Venomancer's phoenix, Clerics duality of healing and deadly force, Barbarian's massive health pool, etc. Also there is a chance that a few new abilities will be added to classes that people fear might become obsolete.
So please... feel free to flame, but I'm hoping that some people might realize there isn't some giant conspiracy out there. Just a company that is trying to market a very complex product and must keep the interests of its shareholders in mind.
Gold prices... well seriously I would never sell $1 for 100,000 coins that isn't worth it... It will eventually sink to 200,000 because the coin chests ought to be capping it there. Just give it time and act responsibly. Also accept the fact that some people are simply so wealthy that they can afford gold at 250% the expected value. The one thing you can count on (besides the greed of all the players, myself included) is the fact that the company doesn't want to lose customers. So: give them suggestions but please... stop complaining so much.
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It is a human nature to express their opinions , for if they like something or not.
Regarding the company: They have to make profit, one way or another. But it come down to the players to accept their tactics or not. If players dont accept the tactics they would not buy that specific item in the item shop, but some players do and some done. Like there are players that spend alot of money at the shop, and some dont. Players that allways spend their money will allways do. And thus for the players that dont spend that much money at the item shop, players that do 'ruin the economy'. You cant really balance everething out and make profit at the same time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]That my veno. b:bye0 -
agreed Urdthedevil they be only human.
b:surrender
besides what problem? (O.o) this game still rocks.
sure they set me evil evil plans back a couple of months but it's only time and me will have fun playing anyway. Most of the complainers be people who either want stuff for little to no work. Or already got good stuff and is sad that alot of people can get what they have. (But that be mostly a PvE thing from what me has seen.) (o.O)
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I think we're agreeing, yay. I know people are human and sure lets air our grievances. I just don't want the... well I don't know; whatever it is ruin the game for the rest of us who are willing to work hard and invest into the game.
I love it and its annoying when people just moan. Its suppose to be fun and communial... and so it should be challenging so it forces us to work together![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
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I find it silly also, if they don't like the new content of the new company's project, then simply leave the game instead of whining.
like "if you do that, this game is dead, i'm leaving !!"
5 secs later "still dont take my advice? look !! im leaving~"
10 secs later "i already opened the door you see? change your tactic asap, im leaving !!"
and so on and so on.
if you want online game that can match your satisfaction 100%, make your own online game with your own idea, instead of throwing flame to others.
but like i wrote in 2nd paragraph, whiners will always be whiners and will always have alibi for whining ^__^
whining is fun for them. i think they get Exp and can Level up from whining.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Half the time too, some of these people dont even realize 'expressing their opinion' is the same as being ingrates/**** holes. Their 'expression' is usually a barrage of insults to the company, other players, or its employees, without really much to add to constructive criticism. No matter how much they try, or no matter what they do, people are gunna bicker about nothing. Thats really all forums are half the time, whining and complaining about omething or other in the game .Hopefully the new content will get them to shut their pieholes for a while.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »but like i wrote in 2nd paragraph, whiners will always be whiners and will always have alibi for whining ^__^
whining is fun for them. i think they get Exp and can Level up from whining.
WTB> Newb class Demon skill book: Whining.
lol
Man its no nice to see a thread not yet tainted by flamers xDplease sign here: _______________0 -
Turning a new leaf for the pwi forums
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Do you know why so many high lv players complain? Icluded me? Because we know how it was just few month agou. It was wonderful game with just few bugs. What happen to the game now? There is much more bugs than use to be. Inflation hurts economy. End game weapons are out for every1. I'm loosing goal to play this game for what? I can buy the end-game gear without any effort. That is my opinion.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »There is much more bugs than use to be.
New content will bring new Bug, developer will fix that sooner or later.Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »Inflation hurts economy.
PWI has run more than a year, every old player is rich now (included Coin from TW reward). That's why things got more expensive.
Do you see other Pw-version that already run for more than 2 years or 3 years?
1 Gold = 1mil+ Coin.
bcos ppl are rich.
The other reason is Gold buyers.
Less Gold buyers = more expensive Gold prize.
and really I lol'ed at ppl who give a suggestion to limit Gold sell for like 100k at Auction ^__^
yeah right, like Gold sellers can't just shout :"Sell Gold @800k, name the Item you want to buy, I'll sell it throu stall"
and there're more things that affect Gold prizes besides Auction.
If you want Items from Item Mall, I assume it's for your own need, so buy your Gold with your own real life money, don't force other ppl to sell Gold with cheap prize for you.
Those ppl who whine about Gold prize looks like a rogue to me.
If you don't want to sell cheap Gold to me, you're fail !!Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »End game weapons are out for every1. I'm loosing goal to play this game for what? I can buy the end-game gear without any effort. That is my opinion.
Many ppl don't play 24/7 in-game. They have life.
with system like Crazy Stone Quest, BH & World Quest; PW is a game that can make you level easy in just 1 or 2 hours play per day.
so this game fits for those ppl who are busy in real life but still want to level and enjoy high-level excitement.
Those ppl can't farm mats everyday that can prob took 3hours+/day just to farm 1 Mat or so. So the Dev gave them Boxes/Pack.
PW Dev is not some Charity Group, PW is their product that gave them money. If they see ppl love those boxes/pack, of course they will improve it to time to time.
And it's not like the 1st time they click those pack, they will get nice Weapon instantly. Some of them have bad luck and have to Spam hundreds of it.
You can get end-game weapon without spending real money, and farm with your friends/Guildies? good for you ^__^
And there're other ppl who get that same weapon throu Boxes/Pack, and they spam it with real money. You jealous?
What's the diff if like :
A & B live in same city
B has end-game weapon which he farmed with his Guildies everyday.
A is too busy to play game for hours.
A met B irl, and A ask if he can have B's weapon and will pay for it with real money.
Really, what's the diff? it can happen if they live in diff city also, A just need B's Bank Account.
If you think their marketing plan is fail, why still continue playing this game?
it's really annoying for those who still have fun playing this game.
it's like : You go to a restaurant, order some food, but keep shouting "Yuck this food is so gross, not delicious at all, feels like dog sh**" but you still eat that food till there's nothing left in the plate.
Other ppl in that restaurant who still like and adores the Restaurant's food will feel annoyed.
If you can foresight the company will goes bankrupt if it still goes like how it is now,
The answer is : every online game will come to End sometimes, sooner or later ^__^
if they see PWI don't give them enough money anymore, they can always make new game, maybe with same gameplay but with diff graphics, diff quest etc.
now about those ppl who said :PWI doesnt care about customer's satisfaction, always about money !!
They give content, you yourself make your own fun.
If you can't have fun everytime they give something new, then there is no fun for you in this game to begin with.
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Ok, Myu? That was awesome. You have officially ended this thread. Noone can top that with a counter-argument that will be anywhere near as effective. I think you deserve a cookie for that.
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Taranta - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok, Myu? That was awesome. You have officially ended this thread. Noone can top that with a counter-argument that will be anywhere near as effective. I think you deserve a cookie for that.
*gives MyuMyu a cookie*
QFT, and MyuMyu +1000.
I think everyone should link total whiners to that post, from now on.
I've played the other versions of PW, and the economy is just going to keep changing, cause it just happens that way. And if you don't want to pay 500k for 1 gold, then get a job/spend a small 10$ from your pay then you don't have to. It's not /that/ hard. I don't get the whole, "I worked for 18 hours to get this one thing, and they got it in five minutes with cash!!!11" Well gee, maybe some people have lives and don't have eighteen hours to spend on a game. Honestly, hooray for win topic.0 -
MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »I find it silly also, if they don't like the new content of the new company's project, then simply leave the game instead of whining.
Perhaps we actually like the game and the potential it has and hate seeing it fall to pieces. If we just left, we wouldn't really care the slightest about the game. You'll probably find the "whiners" care about the game more than anyone. You'll also realise once all the "whiners" do leave and pwi is forced to merge severs and is losing profit, that we were actually the majority of the population.
The anti-whiners are the ones who will be here in 5 years when the game is completely dead and worthless, pretending it's all great and pledging loyalty to the company for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And the whiners will be on the better mmo's, having great fun and enjoying a superior gameplay experience.0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Perhaps we actually like the game and the potential it has and hate seeing it fall to pieces. If we just left, we wouldn't really care the slightest about the game. You'll probably find the "whiners" care about the game more than anyone. You'll also realise once all the "whiners" do leave and pwi is forced to merge severs and is losing profit, that we were actually the majority of the population.
The anti-whiners are the ones who will be here in 5 years when the game is completely dead and worthless, pretending it's all great and pledging loyalty to the company for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And the whiners will be on the better mmo's, having great fun and enjoying a superior gameplay experience.
Yeah i was thinkin that,gold could be at 2mil,there'd be 1 server left,so many bugs that you cant move 5 meters without being disconnected and go through 50 angels a day and these people would still think pwi is a eutopiab:laugh0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Perhaps we actually like the game and the potential it has and hate seeing it fall to pieces. If we just left, we wouldn't really care the slightest about the game. You'll probably find the "whiners" care about the game more than anyone. You'll also realise once all the "whiners" do leave and pwi is forced to merge severs and is losing profit, that we were actually the majority of the population.
The anti-whiners are the ones who will be here in 5 years when the game is completely dead and worthless, pretending it's all great and pledging loyalty to the company for absolutely no reason whatsoever. And the whiners will be on the better mmo's, having great fun and enjoying a superior gameplay experience.
And these New, Better games would be like [Game everyone said they were leaving to play and would put PWE out of business]?
This means, that the whiners would be on a better game?
NOT SO.
I have played that game. The graphics are horrendous compared to PWI, almost down to the level that [any Atari game] has better graphics. If they release a game with graphics as good as PWI without all the problems, you will still have those same whiners. "I can't Play becuase even though I pay $$$$ a month, I cant move becuase the lag is soooooo bad. QQ_QQ"
Also, on that you whiners are the majority of the populace, I think not. Just the majority of the Forum. If you took a Tele and WCed "Who hates the Anniverary Packs?" you would get a lot of yes. On the Other Hand, if you Teled "Who is a Whiner?" or "Who wants to complain about the anni packs?" or even "Who agrees that we should SPAM WC with useless QQing?" you would get a majority of NO.
I admit, alot of people do not like the anniversary packs. But the majority isn't whining about it either.
If you honestly think PWI is going down the toilet b:bye
{Good Luck Finding a game that fits your criteria, for there are no Games that have perfect graphics, f2p, AND has no CS}
@Mumintroll: Who do you honestly think the anniversary packs benefit the most?
1. The New Players or Low Levels?
2. The Old Players/ High Levels?
ANSWER: 2. You dont see low levels with the ability to buy Lunar or Frost gear. You dont see a low level generally even caring. You dont see a new player giving a care about half the **** that are in those packs. Those packs are geared toward the higher levels. (Such as YOU)
So please Shut Up about complaining that they only help new players. I can bet you have probably gotten a slight profit off the packs, even if just getting shards cheaper for your lvl 90 gear. (What did a Immac Cit. cost before the packs? Almost 5mil. Now, easy found for a mere 800k-1mil.)
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Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah i was thinkin that,gold could be at 2mil,there'd be 1 server left,so many bugs that you cant move 5 meters without being disconnected and go through 50 angels a day and these people would still think pwi is a eutopiab:laugh
On top of that the solution of almost every one of these types, to this "whiner problem" is to quit. Yup, gtfo out of our game if you don't like it and quit now. It's almost like encouraging the game to die out. I don't think a single one of them realizes how many people would be left if every "whiner" just went ok, and left.
On the other hand, the "whiner solution" is to fix bugs, reduce inflation and make things fun for new players. If the whiners actually won, we'd have that awesome game of a few months ago back again. If the anti-whiners won....well.... try any old, inflated and fail mmo and find out yourself.DarkestIce - Sanctuary wrote: »I have played that game.
I didn't mean any game in particular at all. What I meant was, in the future another game may come along, in the same way perfect world came along, and win players over with a great economy and amazing gameplay, in the same way perfect world did many months ago.DarkestIce - Sanctuary wrote: »If you honestly think PWI is going down the toilet b:bye
And there it is! You basically just told a member of the player base to gtfo! Do you honestly give a damn about the game at all? =/0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »And there it is! You basically just told a member of the player base to gtfo! Do you honestly give a damn about the game at all? =/
Yes I do. I do NOT give a damn about your USELESS Complaining. You whiners want EVERYTHING fixed in ONE update.
Reality: It ISN'T. Also, the GMs have told you MULTIPLE times that there will be bug fixes released with the new Expansion. {Do you REALLY think that they are going to be able to fix the major bugs like Etherblade Waterfall, Balding, and Rubberband if they have to keep listening to useless complaints from you?}
And if you are going to address part of my post, address ALL of my post. you found minor details that you are picking apart, yet the MAJOR ones stand to scutiny, which is why you ignore them I am guessing.
Also, I honestly believe that if you are not enjoying the game, why play? (Your complaining shows you do not enjoy the game. If you enjoyed it, you would spend more time playing, less time QQing)
{I have personally left MANY games due to Gold Farmers, which are a existance only really in p2p games. So you leave a f2p game to go to a p2p game hoping for a better economy and you see the WCs SPAMED with Gold Sellers? That is personally more annoying than the idiots on WC}0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Perhaps we actually like the game and the potential it has and hate seeing it fall to pieces.
Give them critics with manners then, don't whine and QQ. simple as that
I don't mind seeing ppl gave idea to GM/Dev, just don't do it with rough manners._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »You'll also realise once all the "whiners" do leave and pwi is forced to merge severs and is losing profit, that we were actually the majority of the population.
If you're the boss of the company, you'll just make/buy new game that will give fresh profit.
tbh, if i were the boss, I'd rather keep a few customers who buy Gold with real money regularly rather than mass customers who rarely buy Gold and always QQing._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »The anti-whiners are the ones who will be here in 5 years when the game is completely dead and worthless, pretending it's all great and pledging loyalty to the company for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
in 5 years, we all will get bored and move to other game also_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »And the whiners will be on the better mmo's, having great fun and enjoying a superior gameplay experience.
and having a great QQing there too._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »reduce inflation
hhh... -..-
have you actually ever play MMO? as the game become older, money-ingame will continue to increase. so there's inflation.
you wrote reduce inflation, any idea how? would like to hear yours.
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MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »
hhh... -..-
have you actually ever play MMO? as the game become older, money-ingame will continue to increase. so there's inflation.
you wrote reduce inflation, any idea how? would like to hear yours.
And Mind, A Player Based one (The GMs And Devs have the expansion to worry about), and one that DOESNT Rely on the selfLESSness of players. {The Majority of the Servers are Selfish *****}
If you can think of one, pray tell. b:beg0 -
_DarkSeph_ lol seriously me suggest you don't spout out stuff you know nothing about. This be a discussion of the more intelligent minority of the forum. Not mindless trolls such as yourself. (Being inexperienced is fine and all just don't be an ****.)
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Me find it extremely funny that you assume "the whiners will be on the better mmo's, having great fun and enjoying a superior gameplay experience."
Just because it's newer does not make it better. and vise versa. Old does not mean less fun.
Me suppose you never tried chess...or pong... or minesweeper...or Mario on the super nintendo.... or even CS 1.6 b:surrender xD me could probably list pages of games me have played lol.
also MyuMyu zmog me see you understand mmorpgs through the same background information me has gathered from playing numerous mmorpgs as well. yay~ (mayhaps me play too much.)
(>.<)
logically by the vary nature of games there is no way of reducing inflation. (at least not without horrible consequences)
This be because there be no way to true way to get rid of items and coins. As if you do then people who don't understand whats happening such as _DarkSeph_ will QQ and get all sad.darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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Think you guys are really ****...ever since the jolly jones and duke rose fiascos theres been threads and threads of ideas on how to reduce inflation,stop well known scams,help the ingame economy go back to a more balanced level,bugs being brought to everyones attention,and then you wonder why 6 months later people get pissed lol
Just go search for em yourselves and quit your whining about whiners..this intelligent minority doesnt seem to be on "your side" so to speak,...or does it make you intelligent just by skimming a thread on criticism and picking out a couple posts that are just -qq oh woe is me-and completely disregarding everything else?
Damn hamsta,your weirdo typing is really aggravating,like nails being scraped down a blackboard
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I feel that even though people say they are complaining to make the game better. How does that help the game if you constantly keep saying another game will wipe it out? Insulting the GM's and the other players are not going to improve the game at all. You only add damage to it. In fact i hardly play pwi anymore because i am so sick of coming to the forums to only find complainers. You can't even play in game without them.
It gets annoying to the point, you can't enjoy the game at all. Like my bf and I was so happy about the new expansion. Then all the sudden people just made us feel so bad about being excited over it. There is a difference between constructive criticism, and complaining. Even so constructive criticism is based on someone's opinion. Which means everyone has a right to disagree with you. Yet people come on here flaming each other like crazy. How is that helping the game or it's image. It makes people feel like the game is prone to flamers and trolls. What's sad is many of these same people will flame new people who have questions that come to the forums. Yet claim they are helping the game, when truly you are not.
First off you have a complaint than it should go to the rightful place the ticket system. NOT the forums. Second off if you don't feel the game is up to par with another one then go play that other game. Why waste the time flaming up the forums with false accusations and trolling other players who are still enjoying a game that you are not. Now if you have a suggestion than put it in the suggestion section or again submit a ticket. "I do not like this about the game," state why and then you give a suggestion on how to make it better. Even the topics about banning people who use flesh ream belong in the suggestion box not on the general. If there are bugs and glitches put them in the technical support section. Just keep in mind that the owner's of this company will run their business on what they see is fit not by what five to six people have to say.
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Aoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »In fact i hardly play pwi anymore because i am so sick of coming to the forums to only find complainers. You can't even play in game without them.
yeap, I play PW in 3 diff versions now.
bfore I d/l PWI, a lot of my friends (from both Versions) suggest me not to d/l PWI bcos of Community Fail.
I refuse to believe it and now I can see why
too bad, bcos I see PWI has better management and more active GM rather than those 2 other Version that I played.
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People need to learn the difference between QQers and people with constructive criticism.
Both kinds of people point out what is wrong with the game, such as glitches, things that could be better, and things that could be fixed. It all depends on how they present it. QQers present it by insulting the GMs, the devs, the playerbase, and pretty much everyone that disagrees with them, to the point that their suggestions aren't even listened to because they're couched in a sea of QQ.
The people with constructive criticism say what they think should be better or fixed, and present it in a way that shows that they love the game, and they're not trying to just complain for no reason at all. They just want to make the game they love better. Yet still people flame them and call them QQers and tell them to "gtfo my game" or whatever insult the loyalists are spewing at anyone who says anything negative these days.
The trick is to find the difference between the two. People resort to QQing because people who are loyal to PWI and can't see any way to make it better will flame anyone who suggests something be fixed or state their opinion on something, even if they're trying to be constructive and not just QQ. They might as well be rude, since everyone is being rude to them. I've seen plenty of posts like that, where someone is constructive and logical and they're met with flames because they mentioned that there possibly might be a problem with PWI.
But if there was no constructive criticism, the game would become stale and the same thing over and over. You can't just remove every negative post on the forums, because then PWI wouldn't know how to make its product better. In the end, people end up QQing because they feel like they aren't being listened to. Bugs that have been around since the start of the game are still here; why should any player believe that the more recent bugs will be fixed? It's an outlet for their frustration.
Both sides are at fault here: the people that flame anyone who has a problem with the game, and the people who flame everyone because of their frustration with bugs and things they want to be better.
Edit: Didn't realize I wrote that much ._.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear wrote: »Think you guys are really ****...ever since the jolly jones and duke rose fiascos theres been threads and threads of ideas on how to reduce inflation,stop well known scams,help the ingame economy go back to a more balanced level,bugs being brought to everyones attention,and then you wonder why 6 months later people get pissed lol
Just go search for em yourselves and quit your whining about whiners..this intelligent minority doesnt seem to be on "your side" so to speak,...or does it make you intelligent just by skimming a thread on criticism and picking out a couple posts that are just -qq oh woe is me-and completely disregarding everything else?
Damn hamsta,your weirdo typing is really aggravating,like nails being scraped down a blackboard
Oh! i feel better now.
Yes, But most of those threads have ideas that would have to activated or added by GMs or Devs. We need something that is player done, but does not rely on the good of another player.
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Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear wrote: »Damn hamsta,your weirdo typing is really aggravating,like nails being scraped down a blackboard
Oh! i feel better now.
b:laugh me find it actually aggravates people less.
d(^.-d)
and yay you feel better now.
=D
b:pleased
(o.O) also they remove negative threads?
Since when?
b:shocked
lol jk jk
But me would like there to be less flames on the forum.
=(
check out the wizard forum it's like normal threads for 2 days then one random **** has to make a sage/demon question thread.... and then flames erupt again.
DX
it makes me the sad hamster. (T.T)'darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
Hawk:Do this. closing thread
frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
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Aadi - Lost City wrote: »People need to learn the difference between QQers and people with constructive criticism.
Both kinds of people point out what is wrong with the game, such as glitches, things that could be better, and things that could be fixed. It all depends on how they present it. QQers present it by insulting the GMs, the devs, the playerbase, and pretty much everyone that disagrees with them, to the point that their suggestions aren't even listened to because they're couched in a sea of QQ.
The people with constructive criticism say what they think should be better or fixed, and present it in a way that shows that they love the game, and they're not trying to just complain for no reason at all. They just want to make the game they love better. Yet still people flame them and call them QQers and tell them to "gtfo my game" or whatever insult the loyalists are spewing at anyone who says anything negative these days.
The trick is to find the difference between the two. People resort to QQing because people who are loyal to PWI and can't see any way to make it better will flame anyone who suggests something be fixed or state their opinion on something, even if they're trying to be constructive and not just QQ. They might as well be rude, since everyone is being rude to them. I've seen plenty of posts like that, where someone is constructive and logical and they're met with flames because they mentioned that there possibly might be a problem with PWI.
But if there was no constructive criticism, the game would become stale and the same thing over and over. You can't just remove every negative post on the forums, because then PWI wouldn't know how to make its product better. In the end, people end up QQing because they feel like they aren't being listened to. Bugs that have been around since the start of the game are still here; why should any player believe that the more recent bugs will be fixed? It's an outlet for their frustration.
Both sides are at fault here: the people that flame anyone who has a problem with the game, and the people who flame everyone because of their frustration with bugs and things they want to be better.
Edit: Didn't realize I wrote that much ._.
well put aadi- i agree +10 -
DarkestIce - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, But most of those threads have ideas that would have to activated or added by GMs or Devs. We need something that is player done, but does not rely on the good of another player.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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