The Types of BMs

Major_Hazard - Sanctuary · October 2009

I was wondering if most BMs you one or 2+ weapons went fighting and also what weapons are comanly used.

Jhaernyl - Heavens Tear · October 2009

Primary a Sword/Axe Bm, but I also use fists/poles depending on the situation, but not as often as sword/axe

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2009

Full axe save fists on boss for rebirth, fists for general use with axe used for amp and stun. Also use it for Myriad on recharge against bosses. We had a BH 69 today with 2 BMs and we both had maxed Myriad. AoE was hitting for 2XX damage. That was the easiest BH run ever. Not a single ticked charm. I really wish other BMs would start to see the light and level up the main skills; would make things so much easier.

Major_Hazard - Sanctuary · October 2009

Also So your saying an axe/sword combo would be the best?

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2009

Axe is best AoE, plus stun lock and damage amp

Spear has DoT, longest distance attack, and lunar berserk spear. Also has nice adds on their demon branch, main reason I'm leveling the skills up on this side.

Sword is great 1 v 1 if you don't want to spend towards -interval gear. Their higher refine rate would mean they would have an effective attack speed of 1.54 (.65 interval), higher than base rate of fists. Also has an inexpensive option for a berserk TT90 weapon currently, making sword a great cheap option for 1 v 1. Also has the highest 59 damage skill for solo, that reduces damage and healing ability of target (cleric). Demon Atmos will be nice for hitting high evasion targets.

Fists are primarily 1 v 1, though they have the highest spike skill as it takes base damage as well as weapon damage; drawback is the 2 min CD. Plays best with auto-attack, and to specialize in them requires your gear to have -interval. When stacked, its damage capability and chi generation make it the best 1 v 1 option. However, it has the shortest range and no extra distance attacks. Weapon swaps with stun locking, or PvP with assist is needed to make the most of it.

Best thing you can possibly get, at higher level, will be having every weapon type, all passive masteries maxed, and picking and choosing the skills you want based off their current ability or the adds gained from your chosen celestial path. Demon spear has 5 secs of auto-crit with a skill that has a 33% chance of 5 sec stun. Axe has a 9 sec double damage and 7.5 sec stun. Sword has 50% chance of 50% evasion reduction, and fist has 20% attack buff until I get .35 and it drops to -.05 effect. For me, demon is the path as it has so many things that address problems I can face when killing. And I will be using all the weapons depending on what I am facing, and what is needed.

X_Boot_x - Sanctuary · October 2009

Major_Hazard - Sanctuary wrote: »

I was wondering if most BMs you one or 2+ weapons went fighting and also what weapons are comanly used.

3 weapons. Fist/Pole/Axe

Lingtong - Harshlands · October 2009

well for a simple answer

it depends on what your looking for
if you plan on going PvP then i suggest you go axe till 80 then pick up some fist weapons
Im a Fist/Axe bm and Ive found they are the best type, they have a high spike damage and an amazing dps and as for my hp 6.1k isn't bad is it?

As for a pve buils you should use axe/poles because pve is more about spike damage then killing someone fast

swords im not to sure about tho Ive never been a sword bm but i cant really think of anything about them thats good

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2009

myriad...best bm ultimate (hf is more of a combo skill...a realy good one but has nowhere near the damage+ the damage reductions is rather nice) atomos strike hits HARD+ can be used to knock a mob away from your squishies and an extra ranged skill that aint 1/2 bad

if any pure sword bm's find anything i missed please correctb:thanks

(fists/everything else)

(yes bow to lolb:chuckle)

Esque - Lost City · October 2009

Lingtong - Harshlands wrote: »

As for a pve buils you should use axe/poles because pve is more about spike damage then killing someone fast

i think you might be talking about pvp being more about spike damage....not pve...

Aggramar - Lost City · October 2009

Lingtong - Harshlands wrote: »

well for a simple answer

it depends on what your looking for
if you plan on going PvP then i suggest you go axe till 80 then pick up some fist weapons
Im a Fist/Axe bm and Ive found they are the best type, they have a high spike damage and an amazing dps and as for my hp 6.1k isn't bad is it?

As for a pve buils you should use axe/poles because pve is more about spike damage then killing someone fast

swords im not to sure about tho Ive never been a sword bm but i cant really think of anything about them thats good

Ok, Fists have the LOWEST spike damage, not the highest to begin with and for PvP you want spike damage. PvP it's about killing fast and/or hitting hard in the less amount of time, specially with charmed people.

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2009

2x or 3x spark bolt of tyresseus with buddah peace thats 260% weapon and 260% base physical damage multiplied by the lvl of the spark 1 = 410% weapon dm 2= 560% hell 3 = 760% weapon damage heaven 3x spark is a whoping 960% weapon damage

take this with decently sharded and refined fists and a maxed mastery its a lot of damage

now imagine that chained with the geni amp skill (name of it escapes me atm) or a 2x spark pot and HF or demon glacial spike then remember fists still get to attack you while your locked in place and either amp damaged or defence droped with auto crit on the bm im to lazy to do the rest of the math atmb:chuckle but notice the word awsome damage is used in verry few skill desciptions (yes i know pwi LIES alot lol)

then assume the bm either multi weap or fist is not fail and has a cyclone heel on or a relentless courage

if anyone wants to do all that math u get a cookie lol possibly factoring in a few assumed attack deffence modifiers and vs different armor types

but as stated 2 minute cooldown limits it a little

(thanks for pointing out the base damage to Telb:thanks edited the post show it)

(as always correct me if wrongb:bye)

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · October 2009

It would be axe,pole and sword.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · October 2009

X_Boot_x - Sanctuary wrote: »

3 weapons. Fist/Pole/Axe

b:victoryb:pleased F-P-A FTW.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · October 2009

A single-weapon BM is a complete fail BM, no other way to put it.
You're restricting yourself so badly. =/

For example I'm a tank build Axe-BM. I have just enough dex for my current equips, I can barely hold a 3-4x sword/axe/pole. And I have every skill path at a minimum of level one and several select ones maxed. Reason being is that BM's skills are about a lot more than simple damage, it's about versatility. I doesn't matter what your attack power is, shadowless still cancels, myriad still reduces damage, and so on.

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2009

Lingtong - Harshlands wrote: »

well for a simple answer

it depends on what your looking for
if you plan on going PvP then i suggest you go axe till 80 then pick up some fist weapons
Im a Fist/Axe bm and Ive found they are the best type, they have a high spike damage and an amazing dps and as for my hp 6.1k isn't bad is it?

As for a pve buils you should use axe/poles because pve is more about spike damage then killing someone fast

swords im not to sure about tho Ive never been a sword bm but i cant really think of anything about them thats good

Aggramar - Lost City wrote: »

Ok, Fists have the LOWEST spike damage, not the highest to begin with and for PvP you want spike damage. PvP it's about killing fast and/or hitting hard in the less amount of time, specially with charmed people.

Think you missed the important part. I read their post as meaning a BM using fist and axe has both the highest spike damage (axe), and best DPS (fist).

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2009

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

A single-weapon BM is a complete fail BM, no other way to put it.
You're restricting yourself so badly. =/

For example I'm a tank build Axe-BM. I have just enough dex for my current equips, I can barely hold a 3-4x sword/axe/pole. And I have every skill path at a minimum of level one and several select ones maxed. Reason being is that BM's skills are about a lot more than simple damage, it's about versatility. I doesn't matter what your attack power is, shadowless still cancels, myriad still reduces damage, and so on.

true as far as debuffs go but shouldent we as bm's try to maximize the advantage we get from each weapon path with our stat builds (so we can use at lvl weapons) and other gears (misties - interval +str gear hp shards for no vit etc) and i do aplaude you for your open mindedness despite the limitations of your buildb:victory

Aggramar - Lost City · October 2009

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Think you missed the important part. I read their post as meaning a BM using fist and axe has both the highest spike damage (axe), and best DPS (fist).

Yeah, perhaps, I can't understand if people don't type clearly. If that was the case, then he's right about the first part.

Lingtong - Harshlands · October 2009

Esque - Lost City wrote: »

i think you might be talking about pvp being more about spike damage....not pve...

pvping is about killing fast wither its spike or not
im talking about spike being better for pveing than dps

AshWorth - Sanctuary · October 2009

I think you have to consider other aspects rather than arriving at a conclusion based upon the weapon itself.. For instance Axe has the highest spike damage which is essential for killing your enemy and fist has the highest dps. If you analyst each weapon individually yes they could be a perfect combi but if you are talking about practicality they may not. Practicality refers to how may point can you put to your vitality by building an Axe/fist BM for survivalability, high DPS does not mean you can kill your enemy with charm, high spike dmg with slow speed and short range may still allow your enemy to survive. Most will agree with me that axe is the prequisite for a BM due to the nature of the game like aoe grind, delta, TW, etc. You can't aoe grind with fist & sword, you can't delta with pole eventhough pole has a few aoe skills, but you can do all these if you are an axe BM. Now we have just narrowed down our analysis and the conclusion is axe is the prequisite for a good BM. What about pking and TW? Axe is still good for both but what about effectiveness? How do we do better? "Why can;t I kill some running mages especially with LA armors?" "I can;t kill because I am dead". These are some of the most common complaints from any BMs. So now what do we need to do in order to fix these problems?Probably I shouldn;t say fix it but rather how to do better. First of all what are the problems? In my opinion these are some of the few common problems. Lack of accuracy, low hp, need more range skills, low magic def. I will let you figure out what you need to do but I like axe/pole combi..

Joshcja - Sanctuary · October 2009

Lingtong - Harshlands wrote: »

pvping is about killing fast wither its spike or not
im talking about spike being better for pveing than dps

true as far as pking goes but well thats pk and if theres one thing i've learned about pk its that all rules expectations and strategies are flawed in the long run....its all about being prepared n making shure you jump the other guy first
And ya getting enough damage to punch through charm (you have to be able to 10 second kill if you wanna pk dps works best on mele or spike for runners)

but your logic for pve confounds me do you mean aoe grind where you have to kill all mobs fast and with little damage? if so yes but thats not all pve just aoe grind.(try it with an axe with maxed dragons and a sword/fist with maxed bolt and/or myriad sometime mobs are dead in 7 to 10 secs lol)

classic example and one i ave a bit of experiance with(both bm's are lvl 7x here)

axe bm (best spike) with calams goes CRAZY zerks and crits on dragons on the boss for
20k then folows up with 2 more 15-20k hits during amp damage at most thats 60k damage

fist bm (best dps) sees dragon go off and 2x sparks and cyclones thats 9 attacks in those 6 seconds not counting and - interval each strike hits for 6.2k due to amp damage and one of them is a crit (average fist bm crit rate is at least 10% from dex alone at this point) yes im giving it to both of them so thats 70k for fistie

(note this is asuming best possibal coditions for axes and average for fist)

(the axe/fist users are me and a freind 3:2 all weapon bm fist main and hybrid build axe with 6:2:2 both have maxed masteries and +3 weapons skywarrior fists and calamity axes of blood)

the boss has at LEAST 3 mill hp by this point congrats you just knocked of 1/30 of its hp fistie has aggro after this period (barb is problly spamming flesh ream so hard his keyboards breakin) and your cleric is struggleing to stop a party wipe while the wizzies and archers continue oblivious to all but their big numbers you just risked party wipe for no apreciable gain

spike wolnt take aggro reliably spike wolnt HOLD it and it cant kill faster than dps and the mobs just sit their and take it (runners are why spike is good for pk)

dps= damage per second

spike = highest possibal hit

also wich of these would solo kill non aoe'able mobs faster wich of these makes a better DD or backup tank? the one that deals the most damage consistently

(all this said big numbers are FUNb:pleased)

yes this excact situatin has happend to me...in a 1-2 run...on drum b:sad

(yes i was a dumbass for sparking instead of swiching and debuffing)b:surrender

as always i advocate at least 2+ weapons and if im wrong let me know

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · October 2009

Lingtong - Harshlands wrote: »

im talking about spike being better for pveing than dps

Say what? b:puzzled

skuld619 · October 2009

OK i havent even started playing yet but i will be sword/blade all the way

Telarith - Sanctuary · October 2009

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Say what? b:puzzled

Seems in reference to AoE grind. They are done with axes, and zerk axes will reduce damage taken by killing the mobs faster. The longer they are alive, the more hits they make after RotP wears off. Spike em fast enough, and you take little damage.

Though finally doing my quests again, and killing with fists is kinda fun. Killing 2 lvl 89 mobs in one advance spark with auto-attacks for the cost of 20 mana and no health is kinda nice. Since they are spread out too much to make AoE worthwhile, it has made for a rather relaxing way to pass some time. Cube is still my current fav for leveling until I get 90 and do Delta.

Fun fact: lvl 88 BM can run un-wined Stygean with only a lvl 48 cleric as a duo. Charm won't even tick done right.

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