repair bills
Elronia - Heavens Tear
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Ok this might seem like its just been posted by some random wizard however i do have a very well built level 73 barbarian so im not totally oblivious to the class.
It seems to me that we have a major gap between a caster an melee classes repair bills.
In a test, my grinding partner an me both grinded diffrent mobs for an hour, Foo melle mobs an myself level 95 magic mobs in OHT.
After repairs i made 85k, that was Foo's repair bill....
Total combined profit for us both 100k each roughly.
Now that might not seem too bad, however we repaired 1st an then combined an split all the cash.
I had an 18k repair bill, Foo had an 85k repair bill.
How do the developers expect a barbarian to actually ever make any money when the drops suck so bad an his or her repair bill exeeds the total amount he just earned?
It seems to me that we have a major gap between a caster an melee classes repair bills.
In a test, my grinding partner an me both grinded diffrent mobs for an hour, Foo melle mobs an myself level 95 magic mobs in OHT.
After repairs i made 85k, that was Foo's repair bill....
Total combined profit for us both 100k each roughly.
Now that might not seem too bad, however we repaired 1st an then combined an split all the cash.
I had an 18k repair bill, Foo had an 85k repair bill.
How do the developers expect a barbarian to actually ever make any money when the drops suck so bad an his or her repair bill exeeds the total amount he just earned?
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They expect the barbs to loot from other players. b:laugh0
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Elronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ok this might seem like its just been posted by some random wizard however i do have a very well built level 73 barbarian so im not totally oblivious to the class.
It seems to me that we have a major gap between a caster an melee classes repair bills.
In a test, my grinding partner an me both grinded diffrent mobs for an hour, Foo melle mobs an myself level 95 magic mobs in OHT.
After repairs i made 85k, that was Foo's repair bill....
Total combined profit for us both 100k each roughly.
Now that might not seem too bad, however we repaired 1st an then combined an split all the cash.
I had an 18k repair bill, Foo had an 85k repair bill.
How do the developers expect a barbarian to actually ever make any money when the drops suck so bad an his or her repair bill exeeds the total amount he just earned?
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i dont know if theres a gap between caster and melee classes repair bills cuz the way to test it has too many variables...
the cost of repair is based on the endurance of the items
the more endurance u lost the most expensive will be the repair bill
the endurance of the equip + weapon is fixed and i think that each item has its own cost to repair a single point of endurance
the cost of a single point might depend by the grade of the item+refine(?) and think that each point of an item has same worth.but i dont know
the way u lost endurance points of the equip is based on damage u get.
but i dont know how the damage will affect it.
i mean the damage u get on your hp may be different in comparison of the damage on endurance.
and i dont have a single idea on how u lost endurance point on the weapon.
fast kills brings low hit so low damage on urself and on the equip
so i hope that the repair is fixed on each item and not depends by the class of the weilder but by the way u lost the endurance and how much the endurance is worth
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Im pretty sure the endurance of armour is based on number of hits received. it does not matter whether its 1 damage of 20k damage. This basically means, tanks who get hit more, pay more to repair.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »Im pretty sure the endurance of armour is based on number of hits received. it does not matter whether its 1 damage of 20k damage. This basically means, tanks who get hit more, pay more to repair.
we could try with some duels
before without weapon so just fist and dealing like 50hits
and then trying with weapon to deal 50hits
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Ok gear is all TT 90 stuff +3, my weapon in +5, Foo's is +4.
Now i know this sounds obvious but too some it might not be.
For E.g we went into a TT or FB. No mobs or aoe's hit me as a wizzie. Ill maybe have a 2 k repair bill on the weapon.
A barb might come out with anything between 70 an 160k depending how good or bad the party is and how fast the mobs an bosses die.
I totally understand why in TT's a Barb gets 1st pick. Only a fool would argue the point.
However in the course of a normal grind a caster takes less damage than a barbarian.
We lucky, we always repair 1st then split the coin afterwards 50/50.
But a heck of a lot wont even think of that. An what about the poor barbs out there that dont grind in a party? How do they manage the repair bills?
To me it just seems extremly unfair the poor tank is so abused.0 -
I use my high level veno to grind coins to fund my barb.I am a barb that does not powerlevel, nor cash shop. I may not be the highest level, nor have the best gear. However unlike others, I know how to play.b:pleased0
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Elronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Now that might not seem too bad, however we repaired 1st an then combined an split all the cash.
I had an 18k repair bill, Foo had an 85k repair bill.
How do the developers expect a barbarian to actually ever make any money when the drops suck so bad an his or her repair bill exeeds the total amount he just earned?
Depending upon the location a 7X-8X barb can expect to make 60k-100K hr after all repair bills.
AOE grinding for an hour expect repair bills to be anywhere from 50K-90K.
If buying pots, barbs won't make money. If using apothecary items/jiaozi a barb can make some coin. Not a lot, but some.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Using a high level veno too fund a barb does NOT solve the the issue of a barbarians high repiar bills does it?
They still have enourmous repiar bills.0 -
This is why i just don't grind anymore. It's not proffitable anymore. Doing TT runs gives me more bang for buck0
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Samthesmile - Sanctuary wrote: »This is why i just don't grind anymore. It's not proffitable anymore. Doing TT runs gives me more bang for buck
this is exactly what i doits impossible to always do the right thing we all make mistakes i am not different from that
just try to be a good person
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u never know how many fools has this game...Elronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »I totally understand why in TT's a Barb gets 1st pick. Only a fool would argue the point.
i fonud some TT squad ready that needed just the barb and after the full run still had to argue on the fact that we get 1st pick...
after the barb(mine) pick i usually let clers picks if im the bank...
when i did BHs into 59-69 i usually got from 35 to 70k of repair but the 59 is never a full run and the 69 is almost always wined...
b:sadb:beatenupb:surrenderElronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »To me it just seems extremly unfair the poor tank is so abused.
i know, the only way to make money is have some luck in AH or doing catshop but if u think of making money by grinding mobs ull forgive to make worthy profit.
if i have to grind is cuz i have a normal quest or if im 1man+justice
luckily asa i hit 70s i leveled the early ones with just dailies so i saved a bunch of quest from 72 till 77...this let me get faster grind and is more worth to fast kill a green mob than normal kill on white mob cuz the good xp comes from the quest reward and not so much from the single mob u kill0 -
Well, I'm just a noob at PW so take it for the initial impression of the class. I rolled a Veno and a Barb. The Veno is 32 and the Barb is playing catchup, now at 28. Both are tremendous fun. But the Barb does have very high repair bills, no doubt of it. Not only high repair bills, but other problems too.
The Barb is a strange character. I've played a number of other mmo's, including the two biggies to max level with a variety of characters. Based on that I say this guy may be PW's tank, but he is not a tank by the usual definition. Nor is he a high damage dealer. Fun to play, but more like a Druid without healing spells. Which is missing half the Druid!
So, I wind up keeping him dosed up on Life Powder, which is white ... like cocaine. And he drinks an awful lot of Mana Potions. Collecting the herbs to feed his substance abuse takes a lot of time. And the Mana Potions are a noticeable expense.
So, here we have my Barb. Coked up and drunk on Mana Potions out questing. His lack of Accuracy therefore is not surprising! Sh'tumbling drunkenly from one combat to another (Hic) and even at that he has to stop to Meditate quite often to recharge everything.
"Mommy, why is that crude white tiger squatting down and taking a dump in front of everybody?"
"Pay no attention to him, dear. He's just a wino."
I do want to get the Barb to 30 and flying. But the Venomancer looks like the character I am going to concentrate on. Pet food and the time spent keeping pets leveled is not nearly the problem it is with the Barb. And then there are those repair bills ...0 -
darwinjames wrote: »Well, I'm just a noob at PW so take it for the initial impression of the class. I rolled a Veno and a Barb. The Veno is 32 and the Barb is playing catchup, now at 28. Both are tremendous fun. But the Barb does have very high repair bills, no doubt of it. Not only high repair bills, but other problems too.
The Barb is a strange character. I've played a number of other mmo's, including the two biggies to max level with a variety of characters. Based on that I say this guy may be PW's tank, but he is not a tank by the usual definition. Nor is he a high damage dealer. Fun to play, but more like a Druid without healing spells. Which is missing half the Druid!
So, I wind up keeping him dosed up on Life Powder, which is white ... like cocaine. And he drinks an awful lot of Mana Potions. Collecting the herbs to feed his substance abuse takes a lot of time. And the Mana Potions are a noticeable expense.
So, here we have my Barb. Coked up and drunk on Mana Potions out questing. His lack of Accuracy therefore is not surprising! Sh'tumbling drunkenly from one combat to another (Hic) and even at that he has to stop to Meditate quite often to recharge everything.
"Mommy, why is that crude white tiger squatting down and taking a dump in front of everybody?"
"Pay no attention to him, dear. He's just a wino."
I do want to get the Barb to 30 and flying. But the Venomancer looks like the character I am going to concentrate on. Pet food and the time spent keeping pets leveled is not nearly the problem it is with the Barb. And then there are those repair bills ...
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Best barb description ever! I remember going through that exact phase.
But I've got some good news for you:
1. Irrespective of what people say, max the feral regeneration skill. It really cuts down on meditation times for HP recovery.
2. MP is a bit of a problem. Meditation will not help restore MP by itself. I suggest getting a cloak or some other such item with a +MP recovery stat. It will allow you to recover significant MP with just meditation. The herbs addiction however is something you will never recover from I'm afraid. b:laugh
70+ though you get a daily world quest. I just gather up herbs as I go along doing that.
3. After lvl 59 you will not need to meditate for HP....ever. You get to learn sunder, which has a nice damage+bleed+heal effect and uses 2 sparks. 59 onwards when I grind I never use HP pots (unless getting ganged) and barely use MP pots or meditate since I just normal attack till I have 2 sparks then sunder. If you want to grind faster though use MP recovery powders (+50/sec one is enough even at my level) and you can spam skills like mad then, since all our skills even at max levels consume relatively very little MP.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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So if its not profitable too grind, whats the point of the class?
This needs too be adressed. why spend 12 months building a class thats not finacially self sustaining? It makes folks not want too play the class. An damn i love my barb he rocks.0 -
No a barb can still make money grinding. Its just that we don't make as much as other classes. At my level I can grind up almost 150-200k per hour depending on drops. Problem is I then spend almost 80k-120k in repairs and pot costs. So effectively I can make a profit of 50-80k per hour.
Some like to aoe grind as humanoid, but I prefer killing them one by one. Less of them on me = less hits taken = lesser repairs and it allows me to grind in tigerform so HP pots almost never needed.
Doing TTs and selling mats does seem to give better returns per hour but it also depends a lot on drops. Rebirth I believe is the way to go to make money for a barb. Problem is I can't spend 4-5 hours stuck to my PC without even so much as a afk break so I can't do it.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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We tried the Aoe grinding an for a while in the mid to late 80's we did ok. When we hit mid point at 88th lvl we spent most of our time in the sea of isolation, 1st to level an then we grinded week on end too farm cash for TT gear. We did great finacially if we hadnt been farming the AH for 90 TT mats.
We stayed at 89 untill we had both sets of gear made. Sharded refined an ready too go. Then we levelled up to 90. Actually it was for a guildie's alt cleric. Hit 90 after a FB 19 an both walked out of that fb in brand spanking shiney new TT 90 gear. Was a sweet feeling an a huge sense of accomplishment. We estimated we spend about 64 million. All grinded cash on our gear. We also managed too fix our skills, farm FB 89 for pages for guildies an had a good giggle doing it. 6 Weeks in the kitty pool (Sea of isolation) was enough. But now at 91 the XP an drops have died. AOE grinding isnt payin the bills an the drops just seem too stink whatever we kill an however we kill them. If we aoe grind or take em on one at a time.
Levelling my Wizzie an i know Foo feels the same. Purely on WQ an other dailies isnt an option. Doing endless TT isnt an option. We both hate TT.
We both play alot but we actually want too play the toons we made instead of levelling off Crazy stone, wq an doing TT's. It keeps you sharp an we have fun grinding.
But these repair bills stink, we got bills too pay in this game.
A barb is a powerful class an we both love playing em. Im sure all Barbs love playing em but come on Devs! We get short changed with our damage output till 92nd level. We get hit for ton of damage an we much needed but abused class. Most things need a tank. We big an tough an surely a big cat like a barb should take a punch or two. But from the replies ive seen an from talking too other tanks its a widspread potentially game breaking problem. More an more barbs seem to be making venos' We dont need any more Veno's we need proper barbarians that can stop folks getting killed.
I know few veno's who can tank for me. I know lots of barbs. So come on guys add your name too this post an lets save our tanks.0 -
Elronia - Heavens Tear wrote: »So if its not profitable too grind, whats the point of the class?
This needs too be adressed. why spend 12 months building a class thats not finacially self sustaining? It makes folks not want too play the class. An damn i love my barb he rocks.
Like i said TT runs. Or when you completed your Chrono quest (starting from 91+) in valley of the scarred. I make 400K in 30 minutes there and at least 4% exp per hour there. And the fun thing almost complete empty there...0 -
DestroyTokyo - Lost City wrote: »WB should NOT be map pve'n after you're 9x. You go gv or gtfo tbh.
I tell you what.
"WB"s can go back to PW-MY, and Barbs will stay here.
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Well, my Barb is flying. And some good news ahead, I see. One thing I would like to mention that has proved helpful and I don't see it anywhere in the stickies. Maybe I just missed it.
Bow. Small bow. For pulling when out solo questing or grinding. It doesn't do much damage, needless to say; but it does get the attention of the target.
Of course, only humanoids can use a bow. But it is really useful for pulling just one target of a group. When you need it, you really need it. And you can drop back into Tiger as the mob is coming after you.
I mention it only because I seem to be the only noob Barb running around with a bow ... the only noob Barb running around and avoiding getting the living snot beat out of them by needless aggro ...
I put my melee weapon in one hot key slot and the bow in the other. They exchange places in the inventory as they should.0 -
darwinjames wrote: »Bow. Small bow. For pulling when out solo questing or grinding. It doesn't do much damage, needless to say; but it does get the attention of the target.
Of course, only humanoids can use a bow. But it is really useful for pulling just one target of a group. When you need it, you really need it. And you can drop back into Tiger as the mob is coming after you.
I mention it only because I seem to be the only noob Barb running around with a bow ... the only noob Barb running around and avoiding getting the living snot beat out of them by needless aggro ...
Dont get into the habit of using a bow. I used to use one too, until suddenly I found that mobs started running away and even having linked aggro, i.e hit one and the group runs at you. I prefer to spend some time positioning, run into a mob on the outer edge, run past it and then attack. This way when it runs, it runs away from you and away from the group.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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Thanks for the tactics tip. I had not noticed any running away yet, but I fire only on melee targets. Oh please! The mobs don't get more intelligent higher up?0
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Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Dont get into the habit of using a bow. I used to use one too, until suddenly I found that mobs started running away and even having linked aggro
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when ull fight magic mobs, getting a ranged aggro makes the mob use the magical attack 24/7. so ull get buried by magic hitsb:shockedb:nosebleed
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U pull mobs with a bow??
lol..
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1. No, of course not shoot casters. Shoot melee.
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I just grinded my way to level 64. During my last grinding session I had 8k in repairs and 104k in drops. That's not bad at all. Where is this high repair bill you speak of? Outside of running a dungeon anyway. I've already met my first 15k bill from TT.I am a barb that does not powerlevel, nor cash shop. I may not be the highest level, nor have the best gear. However unlike others, I know how to play.b:pleased0
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darwinjames wrote: »1. No, of course not shoot casters. Shoot melee.
2. Innate Zeal? Do you mean like a skill in the skill tree? Don't see it. What level do I get it? Or innate zeal, like in just charge in and nevermind the aggro?
He means the default skill on the zeal genie. It can be used for luring. I dont use it, since it costs quite a bit of stamina. I just use that when I'm in a FB or BH w/o a veno.Malego - Heavens Tear wrote: »I just grinded my way to level 64. During my last grinding session I had 8k in repairs and 104k in drops. That's not bad at all. Where is this high repair bill you speak of? Outside of running a dungeon anyway. I've already met my first 15k bill from TT.
Wow, you must be an uber grinder. What and how you grinding on? b:chuckle
Anyways the repair bills go up with higher level gears I think.
Still 15k repairs from a TT run is rather low. Maybe you had a veno tank the mobs in there? I remember repair bills of 100k+ after an average 1-2 or 1-3 run when I had to tank every single mob b:sad.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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I just tanked every single monster in TT 1-2 and got a 37k repair bill. Ended up getting party wiped on dimentora because when he called 007 someone was not paying attention and got agro. He ignored my efforts to get it back and killed the clerics. I lasted for a while charmless on pots and a wizard trying to heal me after invoke ran out but the boss hit too hard for that to keep up.
My 15k TT bill, we didn't even have a veno. Just a cleric, a wizard, an archer and myself I believe.
I was (and still am) grinding on the monsters just above village of the dreaming cloud.I am a barb that does not powerlevel, nor cash shop. I may not be the highest level, nor have the best gear. However unlike others, I know how to play.b:pleased0
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