Attack & Deffence lvls

Wertin - Heavens Tear
Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Dungeons & Tactics
Iv postid this question befor but I think I got the rong info. I still cant rais my attack and deffence lvls, and people say I need to put the str and mag and the other too up and also that I need better weapones and armor. So I always put up the str and the mag and the other too up and get the armor and weapons but it only raises the attack and deffence things at the top of the stats and im talking about the attack and deffence lvls at the bottom of the stats that for me still say zero for every character I have. Pleas tell me what I need to do.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Certain items of equipment confer this bonus. That's all.
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Iv postid this question befor but I think I got the rong info. I still cant rais my attack and deffence lvls, and people say I need to put the str and mag and the other too up and also that I need better weapones and armor. So I always put up the str and the mag and the other too up and get the armor and weapons but it only raises the attack and deffence things at the top of the stats and im talking about the attack and deffence lvls at the bottom of the stats that for me still say zero for every character I have. Pleas tell me what I need to do.

    attack level u have on character page depends on the refine grade u have on your weapon but i dont know how the attk level affect the damage.

    an axe that is +1 has attack level = 1
    an axe that is +5 has attack level = 5

    stats doesnt affect this rate
  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I think there calld phisical attack and deffence so couldent I just fight with my fist's for a while?
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Allow me to explain. As Vitenka said, this is a bonus that appears on equipment, and nowhere else. You cannot increase it by refining gear or by adding stats. When equipment gives this bonus, it will SAY on the equipment "Attack Level +1". What this essentially means is that all of your damage is increased by 1%. And it applies the same way to defense level. These bonuses can also be added to equipment by using Diamond of Tiger and Diamond of Dragon in the sockets of your weapon or armor. These are considered gems, like citrine and garnet shard.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    schizzofrenia wrote: »
    attack level u have on character page depends on the refine grade u have on your weapon but i dont know how the attk level affect the damage.

    an axe that is +1 has attack level = 1
    an axe that is +5 has attack level = 5

    stats doesnt affect this rate

    That is terrible wrong.

    The only current way to increase these lvls is with the blessbox you get in FB's, or with lvl12 shards.

    Attack lvls increase your attack, and defence lvls decrease the dmg taken (duh)
    To be precice, attack lvl 1 gives you +1% dmg.

    So, if you have attack lvl 50, you get 50% on top of your dmg (e.g. you do 1000dmg to a mob, with attack lvl 50 that's 1500)

    Defence lvl does the same with defence, each lvl decreased dmg taken by 1%
    So, with defence lvl 10, you'll take 10% less dmg (comparable with bless from cleric blue bubble)
    E.G. if you have defence lvl 50, and the mob normaly hits you for 1000, now it will hit you for 500 (1000- 50%)


    The things you mean with adding mag and str is base dmg. Don't add in either stats unless you need them for your class
    For expamle, you're an archer. Ranged dmg is increased by adding dex. So you'll increase your base dmg by adding dex.
    A casting class will increase his base dmg by adding mag, and a melee class (barb BM) will increase base dmg by adding str.

    Base dmg is something normal, attack&defence lvl is something extra, wich is something rare to have (lvl 12 grade shards will cost in billions, and 1% really doesn't even do much, so just ignore it)
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  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Then why do I still have zero because dosent every weapon have this bonus?
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Then why do I still have zero because dosent every weapon have this bonus?

    As I said, it's an extra.
    Base dmg is something completly diffrent

    (but I gues you replied to hisuna)
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Then why do I still have zero because dosent every weapon have this bonus?

    Almost no weapons have this bonus, unless you add it yourself by socketing a diamond of tiger. As I stated, if the item has this bonus, it will literally say on the item "Attack Level +1".
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  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ok so too more things where do I get these tiger shards, and the blessbox is that the box you get at the begining of the game that every five lvls you open it?
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok so too more things where do I get these tiger shards, and the blessbox is that the box you get at the begining of the game that every five lvls you open it?

    A bless box is something that, up to this point in time, has only been given away in events and in special dungeons. All bless boxes have had a time limit so far, and have expired.

    Diamon of Tiger and Diamond of Dragon are high level gems. They cannot be used until much later in the game. The current in game event is giving them away, so they are selling very cheap, but you still have to be a certain level to use them.

    The box you get in the beginning of the game is called the supply chest. It's a totally different thing.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Nope, the bles sbox is something you'll encounter later in the game, you get it while doing instances (it gives +10attack and +10defence lvl, and lasts for up to 4 hours or until you leave the instance)

    Other than that, the gems you can use to increase the lvl are grade 12, wich costs billions of coins to even get one, and 1 lvl in either doesn't really do anything. Not really worth it if you ask me (besides, you need lvl 12 equipment, wich is lvl 90(?) requirement, so you won't see them for a long time)

    Best if you don't bother with it really. It's only confusing
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  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ok so where can I find a blessbox close to eney of the starting citys? And what lvl is needid for the diomonds?
  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    So the blessbox only lvls up temerarly then go's back to normal. Also it souds like these lvl's arent even nessesary, and I can only upgrade later in the game eneyway.
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That is terrible wrong.

    b:shockedb:beatenupb:cryb:surrender

    [WHINE]
    this poor barb has never had a +1attk level weapon besides the stash one

    and has never had a +2 weapon too...
    [/WHINE]

    so i just tought it went that way...


    btw TY
    now i know what does this 1attack level, is a mere +1%
  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ok so where can I find a blessbox close to eney of the starting citys? And what lvl is needid for the diomonds?

    You can't find them. You can only get them through events and dungeons. It's an item that you equip, but it has a timer. Timer runs out, it's gone.

    I don't know the exact level for diamond use, but I want to say at least level 95 for most gear.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Blessbox only works in dugeons (it dissepares when you leave), so you only have it when in the instance.

    As I've noticed, attack lvl 10 really doens't do much for my dmg (and as a wiz, I already hit hard)
    There is no other way to get the boxes

    As I already said, you need billions for the diamons, and you'll need high lvl gear to put them in, and the single lvls for those diamons really don't do anything
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Blessbox only works in dugeons (it dissepares when you leave), so you only have it when in the instance.

    As I've noticed, attack lvl 10 really doens't do much for my dmg (and as a wiz, I already hit hard)
    There is no other way to get the boxes

    As I already said, you need billions for the diamons, and you'll need high lvl gear to put them in, and the single lvls for those diamons really don't do anything

    That's not true right now. The event is giving them away through anniversary packs. People are selling them for a few million each.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    schizzofrenia wrote: »
    b:shockedb:beatenupb:cryb:surrender

    [WHINE]
    this poor barb has never had a +1attk level weapon besides the stash one

    and has never had a +2 weapon too...
    [/WHINE]

    so i just tought it went that way...


    btw TY
    now i know what does this 1attack level, is a mere +1%

    What you are talking about with +1 is refining. It does increase the dmg of the weapon, or if you do it with armor, it increases your hp.
    Other gears also do stuf, but I'm not sure about those. I think they increase in defence.
    You can refine at any elder, at the cost of mirrage stones, though you should first read abit about it, cause the refining system is pritty complex
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  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    K could I go the entire game with zero like is it nessesary at all can I just get the good equipment?
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    K could I go the entire game with zero like is it nessesary at all can I just get the good equipment?

    I still don't have it, and when using the blessbox in instances, I don't really notice much diffrence.
    You really don't need it, besides from the fact that until end game it's impossible (for as far as I know) to get it outside of instances
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    K could I go the entire game with zero like is it nessesary at all can I just get the good equipment?

    They are not necessary and you will never need them.
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  • Wertin - Heavens Tear
    Wertin - Heavens Tear Posts: 79 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Im saying are thos lvls nessesary.
  • schizzofrenia
    schizzofrenia Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Wertin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Im saying are thos lvls nessesary.

    NOT AT ALL compared to the effort ud have to get it to a nice increasing...

    i mean will u pay (lets say) 3milions for a +2%increased damage ? HELL NO


    those bonuses are not necessary, ive never heard of any1 trying to improve the attack/defense level

    they focus on other thing that are more worth...



    @sirro: im planning to start refine just the latest set, from 80+ i mean

    ive never bought any and im saving up all the mirage i can, i made +30 till 78 and with 80stash im gonna reach +60

    im just a bit fighted cuz id like to try the cube someday, and ill need many mirage but as barb im poor (i think this will be my sig. b:chuckle)



    AS BARB, IM BROKE b:angryb:cry
  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If you take the Halloween Bless from holy old john, it says 30% increase attack. and give an attack level of 30. So 1 level would be equivalent of 1% extra damage. I think we all got that.

    Then I recently read the Warsong God tutorial to get nice lv80 weapon from the past. Some weapon do have lv of attack. BUT the catch is the this kind of damage according to the text is only activated IF the target has better defense then you.

    So this would be a way to have lv 80 Alt pk high level player or kill higher mob for exp.

    Also getting to the fact that getting such a weapon would take a lot of time and $$$. Might be better to go whit other option.
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