Anniversary Pack Discussion

TAKE THEM OUT ALREADY!!!

b:surrender

<--- freaks out sometimes b:chuckle b:pleased

malixdark wrote: »

Yeh, but a few months ago you could open your 50 stash and get a nice sword to pull you through 5x-6x, as well as a tome at 8x and enough mirages to cover hammer costs. By 6-7x you could afford a mount, a full cash shop clothes set, a nice shiny aerogear, tt armour and moderate refining for the lot.
The cash shopper got the privilage of higher grade refines and instant vanity items of any variety in the boutique and charms to make their life easy and everyone was happy.
For the grinder, the game was fun, they could achieve things. Games are meant to be played for fun and enjoyment and a break from reality. It shouldn't be about struggling to barely make ends meet and coping on bare minimum. That's not fun. Players aren't "greedy" for wanting nice cool-looking equips. No one plays an mmo to "be below average and scrape by on low grade equips and items".

Made a really good point there, I support that view

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Viriddis weapons, fb39 weapons, random 2* and 3* in the AH. There's several items in that range that are alternatives to the supply stash one. Infact, due to BH and the declining value of mirage, molds and 3* weapons in those weapon ranges have gotten even cheaper meaning there's even more good weapons out there. The value of TT weapons is very low (and they pretty much decline daily) so all you really need the supply stash weapon for is the 50's. All weapons I listed work well for that.



So how much money did you give PWI for those privileges (indirectly through the gold trader, or directly through zen charge)? If the boutique isn't attractive to make you want to pay them 10-20 a month (say 15 average), why should anyone else? Free games are not totally free, an individual can play for free but a community can't. If 50% of players play for free, it means those that pay need to each be spending an average of 30/month to give the game the same profit margin as every pay to play out there. If the benefits of the boutique don't appeal to you, why are they going to appeal to others?



Make a regular group that focuses on collective rather than individual advancement. Start making good economic choices (don't wine BH, learn when it is/isn't profitable to teleport for WQ, grind mobs in a group, even squad coin splits... meaning cover everyones repairs/expenses then split profits, stop using charms, stop using 2 clerics in squads, stop using ga's on pve servers, and so on), you'll stop just barely getting by.

oh shut up b:shutup

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Could the name of them be changed to "Halloween Packs"? And have the nightmare added to it....

They're already a nightmare. In my opinion, they ruined the game, forcing many people to quit the game, we waited a month last time for it to go away patiently but drastically, and for the economy to go back to normal where it's supposed to be, and now they bring it back again. Okay yes, I understand an anniversary is twice a year and we should enjoy anniversaries. We're getting hell and poor in the game for having served TO the game. So we get no enjoyment-only maybe if we buy a couple of packs here and there just for our little spending needs and get something good for once. But other than that it's ruining the game. What this game needs is a money making system, it does NOT have it whatsoever. Again, my opinion. Just shouting it out there is all. Thanks. b:victory

By Popular demand and ALL of your disscussion, Anni Pack NOW is perm item in cashshop. b:laugh

Since the anniversary packs, almost all the prices in PWI have at gone rocketing up! Some prices were already insanely high, but now they've almost doubled! For example gold: about 6 months ago it used to cost 125k per 1 gold, now thats over 600k!
Please, stop with the packs, and let the economy recover a bit, instead of destroying it!

I guess that's about what i wanted to say.

_ShOt_ - Lost City wrote: »

Since the anniversary packs, almost all the prices in PWI have at gone rocketing up! Some prices were already insanely high, but now they've almost doubled! For example gold: about 6 months ago it used to cost 125k per 1 gold, now thats over 600k!
Please, stop with the packs, and let the economy recover a bit, instead of destroying it!

I guess that's about what i wanted to say.

its never gona recover. Too much coins have been injected into the game (cough*10million*cough*bignotes)

vaine8 wrote: »

Have you ever head the saying, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."? My statement is simple. PWI was never broke, why the hell would you try to ruin something that was good? I mean come on, do you really expect people to spend the $300+ every month (yes, some do)

Thing is, while some people do spend that much, they wont forever. This huge profit surge they're leaping on is purely temporary. Once everyone's (cash shoppers) spent $1k or so getting crazy end game gears there's not much else they can buy. Pwi could release even higher end game, but no ones going to happily spend $1k again and scrap their old gear after investing so much. So they're stuck here. They have a few months left while the last few buy their packs and sell gold....and then that's pretty much it. Dieing game from then on.

Endgame and super high content is something built to gradually. But in pwi we've suddenly, bam reached it. Every end game equip, item, accessory is easily available with money. Even levels can be bought in no time. There's not really any future for the company at this rate.

It's actually sad to see things in wc nowadays like "Selling Scroll Of Tome 150m" this is over 7 times the price a herc was 3 months ago, and a herc was something a veno spent most of the game grinding for. The game really went downhill so fast.

malixdark wrote: »

Thing is, while some people do spend that much, they wont forever. This huge profit surge they're leaping on is purely temporary. Once everyone's (cash shoppers) spent $1k or so getting crazy end game gears there's not much else they can buy. Pwi could release even higher end game, but no ones going to happily spend $1k again and scrap their old gear after investing so much. So they're stuck here. They have a few months left while the last few buy their packs and sell gold....and then that's pretty much it. Dieing game from then on.

Endgame and super high content is something built to gradually. But in pwi we've suddenly, bam reached it. Every end game equip, item, accessory is easily available with money. Even levels can be bought in no time. There's not really any future for the company at this rate.

It's actually sad to see things in wc nowadays like "Selling Scroll Of Tome 150m" this is over 7 times the price a herc was 3 months ago, and a herc was something a veno spent most of the game grinding for. The game really went downhill so fast.

hmm maybe i should short the stock

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

bye bye.... you leave, others will join, and the game will go on.....

It will but not for long, no F2P game that makes it impossible for new players to play will last long. I give it 1, 2 years max.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

bye bye.... you leave, others will join, and the game will go on.....

As already posted here, even if you take the total number of posts in this thread, and you don't even count people posting more than once, the total number amounts to less than 10% of the PWI player base.

Once you start removing the people that posted multiple times on this thread, I am sure the number will go down to far less than 5%.

Not that long ago, there was post after post of people commenting how it was unfair that venos were the only class that could get a "end game weapon" out of the CS. I guess people have short memories...

The day will come when majority of the F2P population moves out and you are left to compete with the rest of the zen buyers to see who has ability to inject the most amount of money into the game to make their equips +12. Have fun

This game is P2P for a newcomer if he wants to enjoy the game. (whats a game without enjoyment?) Optional gold purchasing is only for the high levels who know the market well enough to play along with it.

Yaxana - Sanctuary wrote: »

It will but not for long, no F2P game that makes it impossible for new players to play will last long. I give it 1, 2 years max.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

When that day comes, let me know. In case you have not noticed, a very large chunk of the red spam is from players that are not zen buyers, but instead are coin sellers. Interesting, eh?

When PWI first came out, the same was said about PW-MY.... And guess what.. they are still there....

PWMY is still there, how many are playing?
You've pointed out that those using ani packs are players that are not zen buyers, but i suppose you will agree with me that they are players who have played for a long time. Enough to earn the required sum to play with the market. Thats what i've said.

New players do not have such capital to start off with and the only way they can join into this market is to charge zen. True they get 500k in game coins for every dollar they charge and they probably live off that.
But to truely enjoy the game some amounts of money needs to be spent on cash shop
How does this appeal to the new comers who thought that this is a F2P game?

Ur right about MMOs being cash based eventually i agree, but this should be done discreetly, introducing a bit of this a bit of that to keep the hype going. Ani packs that gives out end game gears / 5million coins two times in a row, with a 2 weeks rest in between, how do you make of that?
For me personally, im not creating an uproar because i do not want gold prices to rise. I accept that it will rise eventually, however that being said, i was concerned about the orientation that PWI is heading towards. Too many good games have been ruined because the Management teams make Cash Shop a compulsory part of the games.

When the ani packs are gone, what sales will they put in order to get people to keep buying zen?

I considered started a new thread to voice this opinion, but I decided to add it here even if it ends up being lost in the flood of other responses.

I don't have a problem with PWI making money, and from what we've seen they are making a good deal of it. What I am wondering is: Where is the re-investment?

You know, taking some of that money and putting it back into the game. Here's a few suggestions:

- Hire more GM's, it's obvious that you don't have enough. Hearing Spoons say that 3 business day was the "average" response time to tickets was discouraging at best.
- Fix the bugs. Yes we know the devs are busy writing new content, but as anyone in IT will tell you, new content means new bugs. How about squashing some of the old bugs before introducing new ones?
- Hold more GM events. I still remember when I could see GM's in game, or better yet see GM's holding events. I am aware many players complained about them, but I enjoyed them. The invasion of Archosaur was one of my favorites.

Players have quite a bit a patience, more than most people know. Things like Anniversary Packs don't really bother me, high gold prices don't really bother me. What bothers me me is the appearance that PW management is more concerned about making $$ of it's players than it is about making sure they have fun. I'm honestly getting the feeling PWI is going for the short-term profits out of this game while sacrificing long-term sustainability.

If I could send one message to the creators/owners/managers of PWI, it would be "Re-invest some of that money you are making please, you'll be better off in the long run."

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Anni packs are gone b:victory, so guess soon be JJ and Halloween packs b:shutup

click on Box/Egg in boutique... they're still there