Fists

navalja
navalja Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Blademaster
im rly interested in fist weapons, basically claws...

so what kind of build i should use and can some1 give me general tips of dat, ofc im a blademaster.. b:pleased
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  • Esque - Lost City
    Esque - Lost City Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Light armour: minimum str for fists, rest into dex and vit

    Heavy armour: minimum str for armour, rest into dex and vit


    or just search. its been covered many, many times.
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  • Swamq - Lost City
    Swamq - Lost City Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Esque - Lost City wrote: »
    Light armour: minimum str for fists, rest into dex and vit

    Heavy armour: minimum str for armour, rest into dex and vit


    or just search. its been covered many, many times.

    lol no.. its heavy armor minimum dex for fists 50 vit cap rest goes into str since u have a high dex already because of fists ul always have a really good crit rate LA all into dex with 50 vit cap and just enough str for fists/LA if needed im a fist/claw bm myself over time i relised the heavy armor build is alot better then pure dex but thats just me
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Basically;
    STR = Requirements
    DEX = Rest

    Unless you wish to have some extra HP, yeah.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    why these moronic builds?

    3str:2agi every level.
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    why these moronic builds?

    3str:2agi every level.

    So you'd use a regular BM build on claws? They're supposed to score critical hits like mad. With their high attack rate and high critical hit rate they're lethal additions to a party and deal just enough damage to not drag aggro on them. Claw users shouldn't be tanking.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Initian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So you'd use a regular BM build on claws? They're supposed to score critical hits like mad. With their high attack rate and high critical hit rate they're lethal additions to a party and deal just enough damage to not drag aggro on them. Claw users shouldn't be tanking.

    3str 2 dex is good. At least 5str/4dex/1vit every two levels

    The extra str is better long term then the crit. Also this allows you to splice into axe/hammers of your level. At latter levels you can get more crit gear if that what you like. (that's what i did.)

    And your statement about not drawing aggro is off. As a fist/claw user they will most likely rip aggro from a tank not their level or above.
    Retired

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The extra str is better long term then the crit. Also this allows you to splice into axe/hammers of your level. At latter levels you can get more crit gear if that what you like. (that's what i did.)
    I never assumed this person would ever want to swap back into Hammers/Axes, so don't, either.
    And your statement about not drawing aggro is off. As a fist/claw user they will most likely rip aggro from a tank not their level or above.
    Thanks for telling my Claw User off, she's doing perfectly fine not ripping it off our tank. That AND she's fighting in her underwear. Do you have any clue how hard that is to not pay attention to?! :3
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    what's the point in hitting crits like mad if the normal attacks are almost half of what they would be with my build? how is 5% more when I'll have almost 20% crit at 100 such a huge advantage?

    also, a single weapon cannot be used with this class. if you want to be slightly successful, you'll use at least 2 weapons. I use axes/fist.
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    what's the point in hitting crits like mad if the normal attacks are almost half of what they would be with my build? how is 5% more when I'll have almost 20% crit at 100 such a huge advantage?

    The point is that if I score critical hits, I will still not drag aggro off a (possibly sloppy) tank, yet being capable of dealing a bit over your base damage. However, when yours scores a critical hit, there's a big chance you drag aggro onto yourself. And in my honest opinion, a claw user does not want to get hit.
    Ergo, Claw users in my best experience wear light armor and have extreme Dexterity to make sure to hit hard enough and whatever the tank failed to pick up, capable of evading. If you want to hit hard, you get Axes or play a Wizard.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Initian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I never assumed this person would ever want to swap back into Hammers/Axes, so don't, either.

    That's like telling a wizard not to upgrade spells of different elements. Or a cleric to only level healing spells, or a barb to only level humanoid, etc..etc...

    Thanks for telling my Claw User off, she's doing perfectly fine not ripping it off our tank. That AND she's fighting in her underwear. Do you have any clue how hard that is to not pay attention to?! :3

    Just wait. It will start to happen.
    Retired

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    That's like telling a wizard not to upgrade spells of different elements. Or a cleric to only level healing spells, or a barb to only level humanoid, etc..etc...
    ...
    Just wait. It will start to happen.

    I'm assuming this person wishes to have fun with a claw user. At least play along with that desire and give it a proper advice on a full-claw user. If otherwise, I'm pretty sure the person requesting it is capable of pointing it out to us.

    As for it will happen, this is why my main is not a BM. Wizards are supposed to hold back if they don't wish to die, so a claw user should be better off putting a little more in dexterity when given the choice DEX/STR, in case they do rip off aggro, they get to evade more often.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Fists will need to use axe skills in order to kill in PvP, and for extra utility in PvE. Drake's Bash is a must for the 2nd stun that lasts a while. That and Roar of the Pride allow stun lockdown when demonized.

    Heaven's Flame doubles the damage of our attacks and will combo well with Drake's Bash. That sets up a damage amp + stun before swapping to claws to finish them off quickly. You could use low level axes, but will make it harder to kill high refines. And why limit how high a player you can kill?

    There was already a thread on how dex build differs from str in regards to damage capability. Dex will always lose, the damage loss means weaker hits, that not even the increased crit rate will make up for. And the more crit boosting gear/skills used, the worse dex build compares.

    3 str 2 dex is the best bet for someone wishing to deal damage as a fister.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • Initian - Dreamweaver
    Initian - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Well, I will stick to my personal opinion regardless, whatever build they choose is up to them. (For instance, if I wished to use my claw user as my main, I'd probably focus a little more on strength. Claw users are basically redundant to the other weapon paths out there, so I'm 'mehh' overall. They're fun, and that's why I play this game.)
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Just to let you know. I use all weapons. So my opinion is made with what I've experienced.

    And yes it's about fun. I love switching from my fists to axes to unleash the dragon and switch back to fists...or switch to sword and call a rain of swords down when the party looks like its hurting or the boss is dealing to much damage to the tank.

    Last night in 3-1 our veno dc'd while tanking armor boss. I was immediately aggro'd....switched from my fists to sword, did ulti, switched back to fists, while potting, both apothecary and jioazi, and requested heals from cleric.

    Veno made it back but by that time I had established so much aggro, we finished the boss with me tanking...
    Retired

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    I have 6,300~ hp unbuffed and 10k~ pdef self buffed. why would I care if I get aggro as long as my healer isn't an idiot?

    I want to be useful and I want to do damage at the same time. I almost never miss and my dps is > everything in the game.
  • Esque - Lost City
    Esque - Lost City Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Swamq - Lost City wrote: »
    lol no.. its heavy armor minimum dex for fists 50 vit cap rest goes into str since u have a high dex already because of fists ul always have a really good crit rate LA all into dex with 50 vit cap and just enough str for fists/LA if needed im a fist/claw bm myself over time i relised the heavy armor build is alot better then pure dex but thats just me


    yeah it was something like that. it was like...3am when i posted that. must've been too tired to care lol
    Allnighte - knn read pwdatabase laio, rank6 weap needs all of the badges la.
    rank8 laio just la needs laio rep la

    Naevo - o wait dis be pw-my-en? ding dong la
  • Worship - Harshlands
    Worship - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    also, a single weapon cannot be used with this class. if you want to be slightly successful, you'll use at least 2 weapons. I use axes/fist.

    Spoken for the truth..my bm is also 3/2 stat build
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    posting all over the place today...b:bye

    3:2 is the best build i know of for pvp fists or axes and they do work together well fist skills are easy enough to up (shadowless kick when u have spare spirit cyclone heel always maxed fist mastery always maxed) so you'll have tons of spare spirit to play with at higher lvls

    axes are not NEEDED for kills in pvp but their extra stun is nice just grab swords for the myriad spike and extra ranged skill (you will almost never use fist ulti) your just gonna spark bolshi n cyclone heel most of the time though vs mele that is normally game over for anything but a hp vat barb just stunlock and fist after your spark dies(dont even touch charmed barbs till you get hell spark its just charm **** for both of you)

    that said with this you can also tap the othere 2 tree's and even use a bow if u want. problems getting the spirit? just do your dailies and feed exp to your geni and mabey farm gamma for it

    tt 70 axes/poles/swords are easy to find for cheap or to make yourself once you get there skywarrior fists are a pain to make but that + to vit is nice or just grab a dark flash claw...even with the sudden advent of fisies their still cheap

    we bm's are basicly the swiss army knife of pwi a tool/ weapon for every situation. oh and irking your party by swiching weapons like 200 times per fb tt etc is just funny as hell

    im no expert but i figure a free for life players info could be usefull to the non rich folks so plz correct me on all of my posts if im horribly wrong (but without the random rage flaming lolb:shocked)

    fists ftw

    (final note: - interval gear is neccecary for pvp fists past 9x finnaly got a full list form someone on my own thread and its expensive as hell...so save up)
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Looking through the weapons available, this is what I'm building towards:

    Brahma's Lash and Firelotus Blade. Brahma's is for where I need a damage slowdown from fists. Very nice adds, and got a lucky 2 socket craft and an orbless +2 refine on success on +1 and +2. Firelotus have the mats and TT80 sword for, will make the berserk sword for Myriad/spike damage.

    Will build towards Evil Eye: Red for my poleblade weapon. Only need 2 decomps before it, and the adds are very nice. A chance to both stun and seal a target when I start using Glacial at 99 will add a nice touch for the 5 secs of auto-crit. The gold version is a very cheap mat craft, so I didn't bother getting massive champion.

    Fists will be both Gorenox and Deicide, with Dark Flash for needed points to purify. Might get I think Shadowforce gauntlets for their +10% mana proc, or just try out Behemoth Gauntlets. Constant interrupts through auto-attack might be nice, will have to match speed buff with -interval well on that though. Will likely work in the lunar berserk and TT90 gold berserk ones for comboing a couple months down the road.

    Axes are Calamity right now, going to upgrade later on to Calloused Lionheart's. Which themselves will be traded for gold OHT berserk axes.

    Mostly it's just so much fun having so many weapons to choose from for killing. Best thing is to make strategies and work out contingencies, then look at the demon skill adds. So many of those end up taking care of 'what ifs' that could mess up your kills. 1 more level until demon :)
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Swamq - Lost City wrote: »
    lol no.. its heavy armor minimum dex for fists 50 vit cap rest goes into str since u have a high dex already because of fists ul always have a really good crit rate LA all into dex with 50 vit cap and just enough str for fists/LA if needed im a fist/claw bm myself over time i relised the heavy armor build is alot better then pure dex but thats just me

    NO
    Initian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Basically;
    STR = Requirements
    DEX = Rest

    Unless you wish to have some extra HP, yeah.

    I like this answer.
    Prof makes a good point about needing extra strength for damage, vs. the slight extra chance to crit. I however find the extra accuracy and evasion to be very useful. My Fist BM uses +% Evasion gears which are really nice. It doesn't do much against AA users but the fist skills take care of them anyway b:pleased
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    3str 2 dex is good. At least 5str/4dex/1vit every two levels

    The extra str is better long term then the crit. Also this allows you to splice into axe/hammers of your level. At latter levels you can get more crit gear if that what you like. (that's what i did.)

    And your statement about not drawing aggro is off. As a fist/claw user they will most likely rip aggro from a tank not their level or above.

    What Advance Zero says here is true too. b:cute
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

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