Sage/Demon

Posts: 1,066 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Barbarian
Whats your choice?

Sage - Extra Hp and physical defense and physical attack in tiger form, and extra physical attack in human form.
Demon - Extra Critical hit rate in human form and extra attack on tiger form.

I wounder if there is more Sage barbs and demon barbs
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  • Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Whats your choice?

    Sage - Extra Hp and physical defense and physical attack in tiger form, and extra physical attack in human form.
    Demon - Extra Critical hit rate in human form and extra attack on tiger form.

    I wounder if there is more Sage barbs and demon barbs
    Sage = hp, phys def, phys atk from mastery skill, chi, a more spammable Armageddon for PvE usage and a, never miss, Beastial Onslaught, a better Penetrate Armor, more MP recovery (charm saver), a better phys attack buff (this changes only for the others since a demon barb has a 50% wpn damage from Poison Fang so it doesn't change anything... demon barbs are a little stronger against heavy armor users and sage with arcanes)

    Demon = a decent amount of critical, stronger Armageddon, loads of chi from Slam, stun skill increased from 50% to 60% and also have loads of more stun/freeze skills (with low % tho), the damn Roar that gives 100% reflect phys damage for 10 seconds (I can't imagine pk bm/barbs with this, they triple spark on u and kill themselfs, ah!), 100% crit for 5 seconds with Sunder, and a 15 seconds 50% phys def reduction with Devour (sooo deadly) and of course u'll be able to deal decent damage with tiger form, more accuracy

    btw how the hell does the demon HP buff works ?

    Demon version lets affected heros gain 50% more Chi.

    chi ? I never noticed the party gets chi when u hp buff them lol

    aniway I'm going demon cuz I like it more, the hp difference will be not that great after all, neither the "costant" attack and the phys def (u'll have max like 3-4% more than us.. not that great) and I would like to pk more and I like to be different since here in Heaven's Tear they are all sage <.<
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  • Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    personally i am going sage, i like the idea fo 20k+ phy def and an extra 75% hp instead of just my 60% right now, sounds better for tanking to me, also poison fang lasting 30 minutes works great i would think
  • Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    personally i am going sage, i like the idea fo 20k+ phy def and an extra 75% hp instead of just my 60% right now, sounds better for tanking to me, also poison fang lasting 30 minutes works great i would think
    the sage hp increase is 10% not 15% as far as I know... am I wrong ?
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  • Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sage for me b:victory

    Im a pure tank barb >.>
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  • Posts: 129 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    the sage hp increase is 10% not 15% as far as I know... am I wrong ?

    The maxed versions of True Form and Beast King's Inspiration both give +30% health, for +60% total. Sage True Form increases by 40%, while either Sage or Demon Inspiration grant +35%, for a total of +75% as Sage.
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  • Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    <-PVE Tank barb of course I'm going Sage... But I know quite a few Demon Tanks... Crazy Perdition Damage

    Little Addition to _Shalimar_'s info:
    If you look at Damage:
    Demon get 100% in Tiger form Sage stays at 50% weapon dmg. But with Axe and Hammer Mastery it goes from 75% to 100% DMG (moving the Sage Tiger to 75% weapon dmg @lvl 92)... Granted Demon you get 2% crit. To me sage is just more consistent Damage vs the Burst Dmg from Demon. That coupled with the 120% phys defense in tiger make it what I'll be using in my Role as a Tank.
  • Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    <-PVE Tank barb of course I'm going Sage... But I know quite a few Demon Tanks... Crazy Perdition Damage

    Little Addition to _Shalimar_'s info:
    If you look at Damage:
    Demon get 100% in Tiger form Sage stays at 50% weapon dmg. But with Axe and Hammer Mastery it goes from 75% to 100% DMG (moving the difference in Tiger to 75% weapon dmg.)... Granted Demon you get 2% crit. To me sage is just more consistent Damage vs the Burst Dmg from Demon. That coupled with the 120% phys defense in tiger make it what I'll be using in my Role as a Tank.
    yes but demon in combination with zerk axes is just deadly
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  • edited July 2009
    Demon when i get there b:cry (forever). I haz to be a crazy panda so i can't be sage, that just sounds too nice/calm. I haz to be crazy/deadly :D. I know i made no sense at all...oh well DEMON FTW.
  • Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    remeber that alot of the skills like perdition bloodbath roar and etc are only available to learn at 92 and 99. and farming each book ish a bish aswell as the 1m coin and 1m spirit to learn it.
    btw sage barbs are only better in the early stages by endgame 99+ demons will pwn :P
  • Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    btw sage barbs are only better in the early stages by endgame 99+ demons will pwn :P

    I thought it would be the other way around.
    I thought in the early stages, the demons would be better than sages (since imho the 50% penalty removed in trueform >> 10% more HP).
    But yeah at endgame, with all skills maxed, I think they will both be equal. Very different, but equal.

    Oh, and PvE carebear, so I'm going sage. b:laugh
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  • Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Since I started researching demon/sage skills, I was convinced that sage was the overall better choice given a barb's role in a party. Then I started pk'ing...

    Now I have absolutely no idea which way I'll go when I ding 89. They're both way too awesome. b:surrender
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  • Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I'm odd... I'm full vit yet I'm a hell wb.

    I did this for several reasons

    1) I love killing other heavies.. many lulz have been had.

    2) I can still break 19k in tiger form even without sage true form

    3) Hell spark looks significantly more baller imo.

    4) When I pvp in tiger I can almost always triple spark and drop 1 or 2 robes without anyone noticing because of the attack increase + quicker autoswining due to minus channeling. Not to mention you can't see the spark animation in tigerform where I do full dmg anyhow.

    5) 4 has become really useful recently because it''s becoming a more common occurrence when I'm about to perdition or people see me use Tree I either get slept, stunned or they drop/speed out. So It's a good alternative to use when people know perdition is coming.
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  • Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Sage barbs for the win!! b:victory Yeah, I chose sage barb, you can never have enough HP or defense as a tank.
    Sage = hp, phys def, phys atk from mastery skill, chi, a more spammable Armageddon for PvE usage and a, never miss, Beastial Onslaught, a better Penetrate Armor, more MP recovery (charm saver), a better phys attack buff (this changes only for the others since a demon barb has a 50% wpn damage from Poison Fang so it doesn't change anything... demon barbs are a little stronger against heavy armor users and sage with arcanes)

    This is the reason why i am going sage, not to mention the true form bonus

    I thought it would be the other way around.
    I thought in the early stages, the demons would be better than sages (since imho the 50% penalty removed in trueform >> 10% more HP).
    But yeah at endgame, with all skills maxed, I think they will both be equal. Very different, but equal.

    Oh, and PvE carebear, so I'm going sage. b:laugh

    10% more HP and movement speed, i don't care for DMG, barbs can rely on flesh ream bleed and sunder bleed alone, its good enough. b:chuckle
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  • Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    spamable chi skill+level 10 arma+ironguard powder+tw enemy respawn point= b:chuckle
  • Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I haven't been a sage barb all that long. I had to ask around and both sage and demon barbs made it hard to decide. It really depends on how you want to be. I myself am tank built and always sacrifice myself to help save my squad in case something goes wrong. I was the first barb to go either way and i have two really good friends in my faction going demon. I enjoy being a sage barb but it took me from lvl 70 to lvl 89 to decide. But it is ur fate so choose wisely because once you go one way you cant go back.

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