Categorical Balance According to PW China on New Classes
Dizzy - Lost City
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So my gf NuttyKitten and I were snooping around Korren's link and we came across a list of all the classes ranked from 1-5 stars in various categories we roughly translated to mean:
1. DPS
2. Party Usefulness (seems to be pvp oriented as far as how well they work in group pvp)
3. Ease of grinding and pve related things
4. Survivability/Endurance
5. Ease of Operation (separating the face rollers from the keyboard pianists. High number of stars indicates a difficult class to play as)
So without further intro, here is their class breakdown:
Veno:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Barbs:
DPS: ***
PU: ****
Lvl: ****
End: ***** (should be 6 in my opinion haha)
EoO: ***
Blademaster (added by popular demand ):
DPS: ****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: ****
EoO: ****
Assassin:
DPS: *****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ****
EoO: *****
Psychic (the stats are a bit unnerving on this one):
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Archer:
DPS: ****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ***** (i wouldn't have believed this one until I met a certain archer a few days ago, the potential is there)
EoO: ****
Cleric:
DPS: ***
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: *****
EoO: ****
Mage:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: **
EoO: *****
There you have it! Let the qq class hating begin b:dirty
1. DPS
2. Party Usefulness (seems to be pvp oriented as far as how well they work in group pvp)
3. Ease of grinding and pve related things
4. Survivability/Endurance
5. Ease of Operation (separating the face rollers from the keyboard pianists. High number of stars indicates a difficult class to play as)
So without further intro, here is their class breakdown:
Veno:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Barbs:
DPS: ***
PU: ****
Lvl: ****
End: ***** (should be 6 in my opinion haha)
EoO: ***
Blademaster (added by popular demand ):
DPS: ****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: ****
EoO: ****
Assassin:
DPS: *****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ****
EoO: *****
Psychic (the stats are a bit unnerving on this one):
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Archer:
DPS: ****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ***** (i wouldn't have believed this one until I met a certain archer a few days ago, the potential is there)
EoO: ****
Cleric:
DPS: ***
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: *****
EoO: ****
Mage:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: **
EoO: *****
There you have it! Let the qq class hating begin b:dirty
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how does wiz get 2* endgame? highest dmg output, more potential pdef than archer, better skills... could go on and on0
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Disclaimer: Read the intro before making assumptions.
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Naw, BM's are such a non factor, that the list is perfect.
But seriously, I agree with what you said about the Psychic class. That's gonna make a whole sh**storm of QQ'ing after the expansion releases.
edit: Wow, after seeing the breakdown for the BM's, I have to admit, I'm surprised. OP imo.We have two ears and one tongue so that we would listen more and talk less. - Diogenes
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how does wiz get 2* endgame? highest dmg output, more potential pdef than archer, better skills... could go on and on
The intro explains it all.
End = Endurance.
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I'm more worried about fighting assasins than psychics actually.
Judging from their skills on the psychics, they mainly focus on debuffs at the cost of something or the other. Not much threatening offense skills, but still annoying to kill by the sounds of it. As if the cleric's sleep wasn't bad enough.
Assasins however, I bet this can one shot every other class such as wizards, archers, clerics or arcane veno's.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Adding those up that's:
Veno - 22
Barbs - 19
Blademaster - 21
Assassin - 21
Psychic - 22
Archer - 20
Cleric - 20
Wiz - 20
Was the wiz survival a typo? That's the only thing I noticed listed as under 3 stars. It seems more like it was all really rated on a 1-3 scale with 2 stars added to the final just to make numbers bigger.
The lack of a 6th star makes me wonder too. You would think archer/wiz would earn a 6th in dps, venos are really nice dps and all but not on the same level to deserve the same rank.0 -
I wouldn't add them up straight like that since having a hard character to play is more of a negative than a positive.. Unless you're a challenge junkie like me.
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DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »Am I the only one who thinks this list is absolute bs?
About time someone did. Some of the stuff on there felt more to me like developers trying to convince themselves that they made balanced classes rather than actually going through the effort to do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »Am I the only one who thinks this list is absolute bs?
Your not alone lol.
Im just wondering how the hell Veno DPS is 5 but ARCHER dps is 4?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »Am I the only one who thinks this list is absolute bs?
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What I'm wondering about...Dizzy - Lost City wrote: »So my gf NuttyKitten and I were snooping around Korren's link and we came across a list of all the classes ranked from 1-5 stars in various categories we roughly translated to mean:
1. DPS
2. Party Usefulness (seems to be pvp oriented as far as how well they work in group pvp)
3. Ease of grinding and pve related things
4. Survivability/Endurance
5. Ease of Operation (separating the face rollers from the keyboard pianists. High number of stars indicates a difficult class to play as)
So without further intro, here is their class breakdown:
Veno:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Barbs:
DPS: ***
PU: ****
Lvl: ****
End: ***** (should be 6 in my opinion haha)
EoO: ***
Blademaster (added by popular demand ):
DPS: ****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: ****
EoO: ****
Assassin:
DPS: *****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ****
EoO: *****
Psychic (the stats are a bit unnerving on this one):
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ****
End: *****
EoO: ***
Archer:
DPS: ****
PU: ****
Lvl: ***
End: ***** (i wouldn't have believed this one until I met a certain archer a few days ago, the potential is there)
EoO: ****
Cleric:
DPS: ***
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: *****
EoO: ****
Mage:
DPS: *****
PU: *****
Lvl: ***
End: **
EoO: *****[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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might just be how many save/survival skills the class has. say a class is pitted against waves and waves of opponents how would the class' available skills let them stay and fight without having to retreat?
barb's is up there because of good hp from buffs and trueform, good pdef, beastial rage, sunder, turtle
veno has soul transfuse, leech, hood i guess
clerics have wings of protection, guardian light, plume shell, and their heals, they can probably stand their ground forever as long as their mana holds up
bms have diamond sutra, marrows, aoe stuns
wiz tho...they have nothing to let them stay in a fight once they're in a ****ty situation. they can distance shrink out then heal later or something so i'd say maybe that's what they meant. they can't endure in a battle.
archer...i gotta laugh about that one...5stars? you're kidding right? how can our endurance possibly be on par with a barb's? wings of grace is nice, winged shell is **** later in the game unless we talking about demon wingspan; but going by the logic that placed wiz at 2 stars, theres no way i can think of how an archer can possibly have 5 stars. im not talking about an archer's ability to get away, cuz that's indisputably decent, but an archer's ability to endure...
all in all i dont think archers and wiz are meant for long fights :-/
(pots, apocs, genies etc don't count, just looking at a class' skills)
oh yeah, i don't think the last attribute is ease of operation, more like difficulty of operation...Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Interesting, it looks like the Psychic will be the next big thing according to this class evaluation. Since we all play our characters in a different way we might not all agree with this.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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After reading this, I was planning on going with the assassin when the new classes come out but now I may do psychic... Humm..
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There might be some differences in translation. When I saw the categories, I thought the first one meant soloing ability instead of DPS, and the fourth one meant how much the class is needed for FB/Dungeon instead of Survivablity/Endurance.
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There might be some differences in translation. When I saw the categories, I thought the first one meant soloing ability instead of DPS, and the fourth one meant how much the class is needed for FB/Dungeon instead of Survivablity/Endurance.
looks like:
Solo combat
Squad combat
Leveling ?
Instance necessity
Operational difficultyElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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I dont understand HOW they can come up with any sort of rating system like this. After there are BUILDS designed to maximize say dps or even survivability for just about every class.
Even within a single class there is too much variety in say DPS, take a HA mage (built for surviving, while he stands there aoe **** in zhen) whos dps is considerably LOWER than a suicidal arcane mageI have no use for signatures... hypocrisy aside xD0 -
Dizzy - Lost City wrote: »I wouldn't add them up straight like that since having a hard character to play is more of a negative than a positive.. Unless you're a challenge junkie like me.
*kicks his cleric for only having 4 stars.
If those are the categories they choose to balance by, then I would say each matters equally, though I can see the point of easy/hard actually being a negative. If you look at it that way the count changes to
Veno - 16
Barb - 13
BM - 13
Assassin - 11
Psychic - 16
Archer - 12
Wiz - 10
The lists themselves are BS though, others already pointed out why so I don't need to go into it again.0 -
Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »If those are the categories they choose to balance by, then I would say each matters equally, though I can see the point of easy/hard actually being a negative. If you look at it that way the count changes to
Veno - 16
Barb - 13
BM - 13
Assassin - 11
Psychic - 16
Archer - 12
Wiz - 10
The lists themselves are BS though, others already pointed out why so I don't need to go into it again.
looks about right point wise. Veno is OP and mage is gimped... with all the rest in between.Youtube Channel: youtube.com/user/D2VeT/videos?flow=grid&view=0
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Adroit - Lost City wrote: »looks about right point wise. Veno is OP and mage is gimped... with all the rest in between.
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Since when does an archer have more endurance than a BM.....that's not possible Oo
BMs get more HP per vit, AND better HP bonuses for refining heavy armor compared to light.
Maybe endurance isn't a measure of HP, but a measure of survivability? Archers can kite where we cant, and drop mobs before they get to the archer.you thilly gooses... feather set is thuper fabulous! -Bowlinbob
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anyone else notice that there are no 1's and most of the values are skewed to 3/4/5? There is in fact only one 2 value.
Whats the point of having a rating system where 3 is average when it is infact the minimum value.
Anyways... so i thought i would re-make the poll with 1-5 (pVp):
Class........... DPS......Party......Survivability.......Total:
veno: .............4 ....... 4..............3..............11
Barb:..............1......... 5 ............ 5..............11
cleric: ............2 .........5 ............ 2 ..............9
archer:............5 .......2 .............1 ..............8
wizard: ...........5 .......1 .............. 2 ..............8
BM: ................3 ........3..............3 ..............9
Feel free to comment on this (or make your own), i know there are build variations, and remember 3 is "average"0 -
Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »looks like:
Solo combat
Squad combat
Leveling ?
Instance necessity
Operational difficulty
This is the right translation. Nowhere does it mention survivability.0 -
There might be some differences in translation. When I saw the categories, I thought the first one meant soloing ability instead of DPS, and the fourth one meant how much the class is needed for FB/Dungeon instead of Survivablity/Endurance.
The words meant like this :
-Solo Duel/PK
-Party Effectiveness
-Leveling
-Instance necessity
-Operational difficulty0
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