So what about that Coin Sink?
Kephras - Heavens Tear
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First: I'd like to apologize to Spoons & the other GMs in advance. I know you guys aren't the prime decision-makers at PWI.
That being said, slap your boss(es) in the face for us. Repeatedly.
Because this is a pretty big slap in the face to us.
On with the topic.
So there was this thread. And this one. And all - of - these.
Now tell us please, GMs - what are we supposed to think when we wake up to things like this?. I mean, it's already pretty clear that they're NOT back by 'popular demand'. I think the playerbase is pretty adamant on that score.
Where's this coin sink? Wouldn't it have been a much better idea to revive JJ with halloween packs? Sans guardian scroll option? Didn't we agree pretty well that it would be an excellent coin sink?
Personal speculation: GMs already tried to tell their superiors there would be very loud and angry fallout from the decision to revive these packs.
PS - I politely ask the mods not to move or delete this thread, and the players to keep flames at a minimum. I'm posting this to get answers, not rant blindly at the faceless corporate entity.
That being said, slap your boss(es) in the face for us. Repeatedly.
Because this is a pretty big slap in the face to us.
On with the topic.
eatwithspoons wrote: »I want to thank the people in this thread for contributing their thoughts in a civil manner, it's so much easier to read than flames b:victory
I'd love to have a crazy coin sink event, but I haven't figured out anything that would be interesting enough to have much effect. If you have an idea (some people have already shared a few) please post in the suggestions section with "coin sink event" or something similar as the title. When I say event I don't mean server event because that's hard to implement quickly, I'm talking a GM run event that would be attractive enough to make people spend their coin.
So there was this thread. And this one. And all - of - these.
Now tell us please, GMs - what are we supposed to think when we wake up to things like this?. I mean, it's already pretty clear that they're NOT back by 'popular demand'. I think the playerbase is pretty adamant on that score.
Where's this coin sink? Wouldn't it have been a much better idea to revive JJ with halloween packs? Sans guardian scroll option? Didn't we agree pretty well that it would be an excellent coin sink?
Personal speculation: GMs already tried to tell their superiors there would be very loud and angry fallout from the decision to revive these packs.
PS - I politely ask the mods not to move or delete this thread, and the players to keep flames at a minimum. I'm posting this to get answers, not rant blindly at the faceless corporate entity.
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I vote this post gets printed and mailed in a scented envelope to the entire board of executors and ceo.
signed with spoon's pretty handwriting
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Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »First: I'd like to apologize to Spoons & the other GMs in advance. I know you guys aren't the prime decision-makers at PWI.
The thread ended here. .___.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I am the coin sink. Just mail me your money.. i will go into a dungeon and drop it all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I have the utmost respect for the GMs and mods - I think they do a damn good job putting up with all our **** and sorting it as best they can.
But by the same token I'm starting to feel an awful rage for their superiors, pulling stunts like this. It makes PWI look bad, it pisses off the playerbase, and it makes their PR and damage-control look bad trying to fix the problems management is causing.
It's like Dilbert's pointy-haired boss running through dry California brush with an open flame, and making a bunch of folks with supersoakers try to 'fix' the problem.0 -
Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have the utmost respect for the GMs and mods - I think they do a damn good job putting up with all our **** and sorting it as best they can.
But by the same token I'm starting to feel an awful rage for their superiors, pulling stunts like this. It makes PWI look bad, it pisses off the playerbase, and it makes their PR and damage-control look bad trying to fix the problems management is causing.
It's like Dilbert's pointy-haired boss running through dry California brush with an open flame, and making a bunch of folks with supersoakers try to 'fix' the problem.
That's exactly the problem. The GMs can't fix the problem, and I'd bet plenty of money that their contracts bind them to canned statements given to them by their superiors.
I guess I'm spoiled, I come from games where developers are GMs and the devs actually care about their player base. =|[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I helped work on one. Though for obvious reasons I can't mention it here and it pales in comparison to PWI in virtually every conceivable way except Dev+GM/Player interaction.0
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Alphae - Lost City wrote: »That's exactly the problem. The GMs can't fix the problem, and I'd bet plenty of money that their contracts bind them to canned statements given to them by their superiors.
I guess I'm spoiled, I come from games where developers are GMs and the devs actually care about their player base. =|
b:bye hai alphy0 -
Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »I helped work on one. Though for obvious reasons I can't mention it here and it pales in comparison to PWI in virtually every conceivable way except Dev+GM/Player interaction.
As did I, and I wouldn't go back, because this game is in every way better EXCEPT dev-player interactions. Even the forums staff are pretty great with the players, and some of the GMs (not all, but some) are good.
Devs =\[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
*pulls up a chair and hopes for GM response*0
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »b:bye hai alphy
Hallo bobby
I'd really love to see a dev response. Failing that, a GM response would be nice.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »Hallo bobby
I'd really love to see a dev response. Failing that, a GM response would be nice.
Do devs read the forums?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"aadi is a forum ninja, always there, skirting thru the shadows... striking with quick posts while you are distracted by your own" -Alexeno(kin)
"We talk about you because you're fab. b:cute" -Chillum
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No, all the devs are chinese. Everything is remote controlled by the chinese company. China don't like our democracy, but they sure likes the foreign devil's money. ^_^0
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It's a question for the GMs because I'm mainly wondering, what happened to that coin-sink idea being tossed around? This is pretty much the exact opposite, which says that either the higher-ups are still discussing the notion (but not implemented), that nothing ever reached them, that they don't give a rat's ****, or, or, or ... (other) ...and it'd simply be nice to hear from a GM which one it is, and if anything will be DONE about it.0
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Let me say, in case / before this is locked: you presented an idea which I've been wanting to present for months, and done it in an ultimately mature and respectful fashion. Kudos.
You're absolutely right: we need to hear from the bigwigs. It's just not fair for the GMs to be expected to placate us every day... because eventually they start to look like liars if their claims can't be backed up by the boss's actions.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Ranting & raving won't get answers, and more than likely just result in a lock. Granted, I understand GMs might not have an answer, but it doesn't preclude asking.
(also a nudge to rise above all the useless and locked spam topics)0 -
Great post!
That being said...
Gms and mods, please be so kind as to email this post to your bosses to let them know how we all feel. (I'm not sure on the languages they speak but a google translator should get the job done b:laugh)
Please get your bosses to listen to our wants and need.0 -
When gold gets out of control JJ becomes a coin sink, and he wll be here very soon most likely. However the sinks impact will be small as a Spring Packs value will be lower and the cost will be greater.
I think 500k gold will hold steady, but i said that about 180k gold. So prepare for the worst and goodluck everyone.0 -
/inb4close
dont call out gms.0 -
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Nelanther - Lost City wrote: »When gold gets out of control JJ becomes a coin sink, and he wll be here very soon most likely. However the sinks impact will be small as a Spring Packs value will be lower and the cost will be greater.
I think 500k gold will hold steady, but i said that about 180k gold. So prepare for the worst and goodluck everyone.
Gold is close to 600k on Harshlands. b:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Nelanther - Lost City wrote: »When gold gets out of control JJ becomes a coin sink, and he wll be here very soon most likely. However the sinks impact will be small as a Spring Packs value will be lower and the cost will be greater.
I think 500k gold will hold steady, but i said that about 180k gold. So prepare for the worst and goodluck everyone.
One of the problems I see with JJ being a coin sink is that a lot of options JJ offers are also offered by the packs (oracles, HP/MP food, shards). We need another coin sink, be it another daily, or something else that takes only coin.
I think someone (don't remember who) suggested a repeatable daily that costs perhaps say 50k coin the first time, then each repeated time the cost goes up.
The key to any coin sink event of course, and one that is absolutely non-negotiable if the event is to work, is that it MUST be coin only.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Anyone noticed the price of telephonics on Heavens Tear ?
Last week gold was around 300k and telle's were selling for around 30k.
Today gold was 400k+ but there are 5 or 6 shops selling telle's for 15k-18k.
It's not as if they are offering them in small numbers, I have seen several shops with 600+ for sale.
The only way they could break even is if they bought gold for around 180k but gold has not been that low for quite a while.
Something seems strange to me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Zirconium - Heavens Tear wrote: »Anyone noticed the price of telephonics on Heavens Tear ?
Last week gold was around 300k and telle's were selling for around 30k.
Today gold was 400k+ but there are 5 or 6 shops selling telle's for 15k-18k.
It's not as if they are offering them in small numbers, I have seen several shops with 600+ for sale.
The only way they could break even is if they bought gold for around 180k but gold has not been that low for quite a while.
Something seems strange to me.
You can create telecoustics with tokens of luck. Basically, these people recently bought up a mass of now cheap tokens, made tele's and are selling them at a slight profit.
Last week tokens were no longer readily available and were almost double current price, hence 30k tele's.0 -
JJ wasnt a coin sink. It was a gold sink. Everyone just bought angels and traded in JJ. Unless its a purely 100k -> gift exchange, it wont sink anything and its only purpose is gold sales.
Talking about coin sink is not going anywhere. If anything, PWI is giving you bs while flooding the game with coins. Take a quick look at 1M chest coins or 10M for 2 best tokens 'rewards', and you'll get the idea that our great GMs are pushing the quantity of coins up, not down. The only reason why gold is so high is because the injection of coins in the game was so high, that the market is losing its way.PWI:
"Free to play. Pay to win"
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Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »JJ wasnt a coin sink. It was a gold sink. Everyone just bought angels and traded in JJ. Unless its a purely 100k -> gift exchange, it wont sink anything and its only purpose is gold sales.
Yes, this was the problem. Afterwards, when this topic originally came up, a number of ideas were floated to help alleviate the issue. "JJ without GA-option" being one of the best and most efficient. At the time, reviving him with Halloween packs or similar under these conditions would've been ideal.Talking about coin sink is not going anywhere. If anything, PWI is giving you bs while flooding the game with coins. Take a quick look at 1M chest coins or 10M for 2 best tokens 'rewards', and you'll get the idea that game management is pushing the quantity of coins up, not down. The only reason why gold is so high is because the injection of coins in the game was so high, that the market is losing its way.
Fixed. Don't confuse our game masters with the folks who're making these bad decisions (and by proxy, making our GMs look the fool for it).
And yes, I think we can all see pretty clearly what's happening. And Arliana, I'm not calling out the GMs, I'm calling their decision-makers to table. Or at least, I would love to if I could.0 -
its a coin sink in the sense that maybe people will spend all their coins to get gold to buy packs and end up with only perfect tokens... >.<Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
Qui: b:dirty0 -
Ceshiari - Sanctuary wrote: »I vote this post gets printed and mailed in a scented envelope to the entire board of executors and ceo.
signed with spoon's pretty handwriting
You got my vote in there too bud.0 -
GMs like xarfox have mentioned something about a Coin Sink 2months + ago I believe. And I believe the PW Fan Base can agree since then there's been no improvements. Just worse, nor did we see an effort to for improvement.
The truth is: While the GMs do listen and do want things to change - the people behind Perfect World obviously don't. If they did, we'd have lower gold prices atm. They are making profit from the game and if something like a bug or a ancipated event [rubberbanding, 1k rebirth bug, arena etc] isn't going to make them or break them - they simply ignore the issues and focus on ones that benefit them.
While the GMs are here to "Calm" us down and keep "order" - it's been months and alot of talk about improvement, but PW remains with high gold prices, more sales instead of less and still the same bugs they clearly ignore.0 -
After reading this my mind popped an idea about this. They could be trying to condition us to get used to this type of insanity.Cotto - Heavens Tear wrote: »GMs like xarfox have mentioned something about a Coin Sink 2months + ago I believe. And I believe the PW Fan Base can agree since then there's been no improvements. Just worse, nor did we see an effort to for improvement.
The truth is: While the GMs do listen and do want things to change - the people behind Perfect World obviously don't. If they did, we'd have lower gold prices atm. They are making profit from the game and if something like a bug or a ancipated event [rubberbanding, 1k rebirth bug, arena etc] isn't going to make them or break them - they simply ignore the issues and focus on ones that benefit them.
While the GMs are here to "Calm" us down and keep "order" - it's been months and alot of talk about improvement, but PW remains with high gold prices, more sales instead of less and still the same bugs they clearly ignore.0
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