Arcane VS L.A. ONCE AND FOR ALL!

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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Disappear - Lost City wrote: »
    I use Arcane..Sure I might die in PvP but at late 6x I get strojnger...and at 7x the real fun begins.

    I don't build to get hit, or tank physical attack monsters. If you're building to get hit, roll a werebeast, or Warrior.

    True we get "strojnger" mainly due to essential sutra.
    b:victory

    also lol Thirion, Ursa calls you the fail.
    DX

    Anyone notice there are 8 Other users? O.o' thats more then half of LA users.
    xD

    Edit: I see 10 now o.O'
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    tried both, I like robes more. and not fully socketed with pdef, I use hp stones and refine my pdef accessories for the defense I need.

    early 6-7x pvp is hell, but those levels are fast if you stay pure. 8-9x+, we pretty much dominate if you spend a little bit of time and money on your gears. at 99 we're invincible 1v1(I assume you spent the last 98 levels learning how to play/gear yourself properly at this level *cough*).
  • Thirion - Dreamweaver
    Thirion - Dreamweaver Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    i said im a lvl 71, not a rich lvl 71 b:surrender my items match my pocket. and i said i got 7% thogh many players in my lvl say they only got 4% (bm's, wizzies, and so on) and i still crit alot. and yes, i do 10k crit, 20k when the enemy is weak vs my element.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If at 71 your diference in dmg between LA and Arcane is only 500 you suck. Badly.
    7% crit? that sux as LA. An arcane can have that much without much trouble. Look at Mizouni's gear, he has 14% crit. Now that's a real crit rate. He went LA, but at least he built on the only strength a LA wizard has: Crit. Your 7% incredible crit chances and damage makes me lol.

    2x more HP because of HP shards? what exactly are you smoking? 60% damage reduction? I have 57% pdef reduction self buffed since lvl 77 as arcane. Your 60% makes me rofl.

    Maybe the TW you've been in are some kind of PK fest, everyone running around and killing whoever they can lay their hands on. In TW wizards have specific purposes, fail at that and u fail at everything.

    And the last " Arcane- pve specialist. Light Armor- pvp specialist." quote just shows how little you know and understand from this game and your class.

    I'm gonna post some good LA and Robe builds a little later , I gotta split for now

    Edit:
    ok, so I did it quick, refined things that will last for more than 10 lvl to +4 and 4 sockets, the rest only to 3. Whatever u have for more than 10 lvls will get you out of RB Gamma range
    arcane one:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6630b37c6db1a487 <- this is basically part of my gear as i remember it.

    HP : 3460 Magic Atk. 5481-5547 Pdef 5k 64% reduction
    LA one:
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fe5f677de50932b4 - I put the best possible neck and belt

    HP: 4047 Magic Atk. 4380-4433 Pdef 5.3k 66% reduction

    Now, how come at lvl 70 your dmg diff is only 500 points I have no idea, cause from what I see it's a minimum of 1.1k/hit in PvE, and at 7& crit you won't crit even near enough to compensate for a loss of 1k in damage every 2 seconds. Beside, since all the mobs are magic, arcane build has the luxury to stack some -channel belt and necklace in PvE mode, and that would just increase the gap even bigger.

    True, LA has 600 more HP. But advantages are pretty much ending there. And let's not forget, at 77-80 the Arcane gets revamped ( 77 mold sleeves, 77 top or TT80 gold top, TT80 gold boots) and that will decrease the HP diference between builds quite dramatically and increase the dps an arcane is capable of.

    Now where I see the benefits of going LA? RB Gamma. High HP, u can start it at 70 and fly to 85 in less than 2 weeks. For that , and that purpose only, I would say go LA, it's worth it. In RB the auras will pretty much cancel your lack of mdef, as it cancels Arcane lack of pdef, and the only diff that remains is HP. More HP less chances to get to 1k on double wave.

    Right now my magic attk is 6.4k-7.3k unbuffed and 7k-8.1k buffed. I don't know how much attk a lvl 89 LA wiz has, but I'm quite sure it doesn't jumps over 5.5k at maximum. When I 3 spark I have 16k-17k magic dmg. I would love to see the numbers from a LA wizard.

    aww ty ursa! i feel so loved. 7% crit is trash, i had that much when i was arcane. i will reveal my secret: 1% base + 107 dex(5%) + 2 2% rings(4%) + tome-1% crit and 20 dex(2%) + crit arrow(1%) + 13 dex when i use my glaive or the 1% when i use yaksa = 14% = pwnage in TW. I have 3.9k-5k mag atk with my glaive and thats only +3. my gear is +1-+2 and i use g6 citrines which gives me 3k HP. I have 3k pdef unbuffed with yaksa. My gear isnt as good as ursa but is comparable to hers and im better at pvp b:laugh b:kiss wuv u ursa
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    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    +crit arrows only work with bows. your 14% crit is 13%.

    also, 107 agi at 83? wtf?
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    +crit arrows only work with bows. your 14% crit is 13%.

    also, 107 agi at 83? wtf?

    Can someone verify the crit arrow bonus?
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    in a test server someone made an arrow with +95% crit rate. on any class that doesn't use a bow, crits were at normal rate. when a bow was equip, every hit was a crit.
  • Cryxtal - Sanctuary
    Cryxtal - Sanctuary Posts: 168 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    1% crit arrows show in character page but i read somewhere it doesnt actually give u 1% crit. Its just superficial number
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  • LordOnaga - Lost City
    LordOnaga - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Check Maciki Post he has some nice bilds and i went Dex Build with Arcane and i like being more of a Support Wiz with all my dam Crits and im hard 2 hit since 1nce have Sandstorm Maxed and Blind Sand is Maxed and im gonna go Sage
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  • Taarloor - Harshlands
    Taarloor - Harshlands Posts: 472 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Werent there many posts regarding how small the difference in phys def was at high levels between LA and arcane?
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    LordOnaga - Lost City wrote: »
    Check Maciki Post he has some nice bilds and i went Dex Build with Arcane and i like being more of a Support Wiz with all my dam Crits and im hard 2 hit since 1nce have Sandstorm Maxed and Blind Sand is Maxed and im gonna go Sage

    someone sounds like they wanna be an archer :)
    p.s. what does sage have to do with accuracy, and demon gets an extra crit %.. im confused as to why u brought this up.. and while we're on it, a dex arcane build should be LA. You're gonna need to change something soon if u decide to pvp at all.
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  • LordOnaga - Lost City
    LordOnaga - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Actually ment Mizuoni's Wizard Guiide and Adorit think outside the ****in box of gameplay really u live into bullshyt guiides of wizardsb:surrender
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    aww ty ursa! i feel so loved. 7% crit is trash, i had that much when i was arcane. i will reveal my secret: 1% base + 107 dex(5%) + 2 2% rings(4%) + tome-1% crit and 20 dex(2%) + crit arrow(1%) + 13 dex when i use my glaive or the 1% when i use yaksa = 14% = pwnage in TW. I have 3.9k-5k mag atk with my glaive and thats only +3.


    Why the **** do you have 107 dex?
    prof wrote: »
    in a test server someone made an arrow with +95% crit rate. on any class that doesn't use a bow, crits were at normal rate. when a bow was equip, every hit was a crit.

    I'll take your word for it ; )

    (I'm still gonna leave the crit arrow there for good luck though).
  • Calliope - Heavens Tear
    Calliope - Heavens Tear Posts: 328 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    +crit arrows only work with bows. your 14% crit is 13%.

    also, 107 agi at 83? wtf?
    If I'm reading it right, he has 127 agi (base+tome), or 140 with tt80 glaive. That's just terrible.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    aww ty ursa! i feel so loved. 7% crit is trash, i had that much when i was arcane. i will reveal my secret: 1% base + 107 dex(5%) + 2 2% rings(4%) + tome-1% crit and 20 dex(2%) + crit arrow(1%) + 13 dex when i use my glaive or the 1% when i use yaksa = 14% = pwnage in TW. I have 3.9k-5k mag atk with my glaive and thats only +3. my gear is +1-+2 and i use g6 citrines which gives me 3k HP. I have 3k pdef unbuffed with yaksa. My gear isnt as good as ursa but is comparable to hers and im better at pvp b:laugh b:kiss wuv u ursa
    lmao doubling crappy damage 14% of the time isn't going to kill anyone significant. Too bad I can't come oneshot you for being terrible. Your hp, damage and mdef are all horrible.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    lmao doubling crappy damage 14% of the time isn't going to kill anyone significant. Too bad I can't come oneshot you for being terrible. Your hp, damage and mdef are all horrible.

    Sure you can!
    xD
    just figure out a way to target his character from across servers. b:shocked
    lol mayhaps if we make a giant wizard circle and um
    do something?
    b:shocked

    *goes off to find a crit arrow for luck.*
    (^.^)'
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Sure you can!
    xD
    just figure out a way to target his character from across servers. b:shocked
    lol mayhaps if we make a giant wizard circle and um
    do something?
    b:shocked

    *goes off to find a crit arrow for luck.*
    (^.^)'

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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I have 7% crit in TW mode with that one arrow.
    I know it has no effect, bu I don't care, I want that slot filled b:thanks
    I was planning to get a -5 channeling one, but the +1% crit looks better on stats b:cute
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  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have 7% crit in TW mode with that one arrow.
    I know it has no effect, bu I don't care, I want that slot filled b:thanks
    I was planning to get a -5 channeling one, but the +1% crit looks better on stats b:cute

    I dont really know what thread to put this, but I gotta ask, how the hell can you have so much coin to buy all those gear? You've posted few times what your gear looks like, yaksa+6 etc, where do you get the money from? Cant be all from cube, I hardly ever make profit from cube.
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    read your PM
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  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    read your PM

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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    107 dex cause my gear has +dex. my damage isnt all that bad i do great in TW and everyone wants to squad with me. ya i went LA for RB so i was aiming for 3k ish hp but it works in pk and tw. Also, i have multiple gear. full atk i have -24% chan, 4k-5k ish mag atk. full def i have 4k hp and 3.5k pdef but i prefer balance cause something suffers
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    something tells me mizuoni dies a lot.

    is LifeStream some 5x wb that you crit a cryonite on?
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    No I don't die a lot. Lifestream is a 8x cleric and its a BT crit when my BT was lvl 1. Impressive if you ask me. Also, Lifestream was wearing full TT80 gold with g7/g8 citrines.
    prof wrote: »
    something tells me mizuoni dies a lot.

    is LifeStream some 5x wb that you crit a cryonite on?
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    judging by your server, I imagine he had unrefined pdef accessories? +1 or 2, even 3 is weak. don't see it as an impressive number.

    I crit 15k~ easily on self buffed healers.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    You are a 9x demon wiz with a +7-8 WoDF and probably a lvl 10 BT. Im a 8x wiz with a +3 WoL and at the time of the screenshot a lvl 1 BT. For what i have its good damage.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • verybadthings
    verybadthings Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I got a lv 60 wiz. I started this game about 2 month ago rolling LA after reading pandora s guide. I rolled this game after getting tired of another game, tales of pirates, where I had a very high lvl char and had been playing for a very long time (we r talking years). And one thng I m sure of is that lvl 20, 30, 60 even lv 70 char dont know what they r talking about. If this game is anything like other similar ones u dont know nothing until late levels. U will have to re-valuate much things when u get a deeper understanding of the game system.

    When it comes to LA vs Arcane, I will roll LA since I started it. When I get lv 90+ I ll revaluate it. Basicly If u r not 9X why bother. The important thing is to get there and if u do it s not because u rolled arcane or LA its because u stayed long enough and dedicated enough time to the game, not giving up on your class and re rolling with new char every week ending up with 5 chars of different classes around lv 60.

    Once ur at lv 90 u ll have the knowledge and friends with enough experience, and a guild with experience to not have to look at posts from lv 30+ chars on the forum in order to know what to do.
  • EmiliaGray - Lost City
    EmiliaGray - Lost City Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    verybadthings wrote: »
    I got a lv 60 wiz. I started this game about 2 month ago rolling LA after reading pandora s guide. I rolled this game after getting tired of another game, tales of pirates, where I had a very high lvl char and had been playing for a very long time (we r talking years). And one thng I m sure of is that lvl 20, 30, 60 even lv 70 char dont know what they r talking about. If this game is anything like other similar ones u dont know nothing until late levels. U will have to re-valuate much things when u get a deeper understanding of the game system.

    When it comes to LA vs Arcane, I will roll LA since I started it. When I get lv 90+ I ll revaluate it. Basicly If u r not 9X why bother. The important thing is to get there and if u do it s not because u rolled arcane or LA its because u stayed long enough and dedicated enough time to the game, not giving up on your class and re rolling with new char every week ending up with 5 chars of different classes around lv 60.

    Once ur at lv 90 u ll have the knowledge and friends with enough experience, and a guild with experience to not have to look at posts from lv 30+ chars on the forum in order to know what to do.


    AWESOME. I think this sums it up.

    Just curious though, and only 9X wizards reply PLEASE, what is the difference btw an LA VS Arcane when comparing:
    damage difference.
    phys def.
    hp.
    dex.
    and are any of these actually noticable? and what is this 15% crit that mizuoni has? how do you do this? this sounds like a great idea!
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    EmiliaGray - Lost City wrote: »
    AWESOME. I think this sums it up.

    Just curious though, and only 9X wizards reply PLEASE, what is the difference btw an LA VS Arcane when comparing:
    damage difference.
    phys def.
    hp.
    dex.
    and are any of these actually noticable? and what is this 15% crit that mizuoni has? how do you do this? this sounds like a great idea!

    14% crit and it doesnt tickle. I have done a sutra with every spell being a crit....i ended up tanking. Pure has more damage and LA wins everything else pre-90. Im not 9x but i have used just about every wiz build but HA. LA is my favorite atm. (ARMOR OF GRIEVING SORROW LOOKS SEXY!!!!!)
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • EmiliaGray - Lost City
    EmiliaGray - Lost City Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    are you getting all that crit just from being la? or are you doing something extra?

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