Get Smart & buy cheapest Herc using COINS

chelseacraft
chelseacraft Posts: 8 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Venomancer
Simply go to any Auctioneer NPC & select Gold Trade... buy gold at the lowest price you can. Now use that gold to buy battle packs.

You will average 25 SoF or Nix feathers per pack. That means if you bought 20 packs & add all your SoF & Nix up & divide by 20 it will be approximately 25 SoF or Nix per pack that you got.

CLUE: U can trade Nix feathers for Source of Fource at PET MANAGERS.

DO THE MATH!!! Get out your calculator & work it out.

Do NOT pay 8k or 10k per SoF

I've gotten SoF for as little as 3k each this way... & the most I've paid is 5.8k so far. I still have a long way to go but this is the cheapest way to buy SoF.
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  • Bestialitee - Lost City
    Bestialitee - Lost City Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    while OP's numbers might be pretty off, and prices of gold vary from server to server, what he says is fairly true.

    i cringe whenever i see people buy sof/feathers for 8k each
  • Thedarkrealm - Lost City
    Thedarkrealm - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    5.8k is still to high considering a new (un lvld) herc/nix if worth between between 25mil and 30mil (last I checked) I wouldn't advise buying for over 3k.

    The whole thing is player driven supply and demand, as long as people are willing to pay that 5K - 10k then prices will remain there. I think what may be needed is a pet pack sale to bring the prices back to their lower price at least for a little while since I highly doubt people will use their heads and stop paying higher and higher prices.
  • Xymantha - Dreamweaver
    Xymantha - Dreamweaver Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    umm... I don't think there needs to be a sale on anything actually. If you have a sale on one thing - it'll drive the price of another thing up. and here's the reason -- if a CS item goes on sale, people immediately want to buy it at the lower price. So what happens is the gold sellers will up their prices in anticipation of increased demand for gold... the people wanting X item that is on sale may still be getting it cheaper than before, coinwise, but typically not. however, the items that are not on sale also now cost more coin to purchase.

    if you really want a CS item and can't sling upwards of 300k (dreamweaver gold prices) for one gold, and don't have the RL money to spend... do some of the free zen offers.

    now, battle pet packs currently cost 50 silver - if you average 25 sof/nix feathers per pack, then 1 gold will yield 50 on average. If gold sells for 300k, your paying that times 1.02 (gold trading fee) = 306k. This brings unit price (coinwise) to approx.. 6120 coins. Thats "on average" according to OP's figures. half that if you are lucky and get 50 per pack. 15.3 k apiece if all you get is 10 per pack.
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  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Yea, I thought the same about those crazy prices. And it's even better, if I didn't make some mistake.

    You can get 10 to 50 SoF/Feathers per pack, so it's

    (10+20+30+40+50)/5 = 30

    I'm not quite sure if the chances are even, but you should calculate with 30 per pack in average.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Calculate all you want - the distribution isn't even, and over 20,000 total feathers/SoF you get a pretty clear demonstration that the average is something like 26.5 (Or maybe I got lucky, I'm willing to believe it is actually 25, it's certainly in the range 25-27)

    Gold has dropped back to 330-350k on my server, making a 'rational' price for a SoF/feather around 7k.
    Paying more than that would indeed be a mistake.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I sure wished I had the coins to do this with.You might want to tell Veno's how to earn coins as well.
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Arshies - Sanctuary
    Arshies - Sanctuary Posts: 666 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Now, at Sanctuary server, Gold price is around 300k - 1Gold u can buy 2packs and S/F each unity are at 7k -10k u must drop more than 30S/F to get a profit.
    Then sometimes will worth and sometimes u lost coins during the Gold price didnt raise again.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Absolute cheapest is to wait for a pet-pack sale. They come often enough that I would, in fact, advise never buying petpacks except during a sale.

    (And if you're charging zen, wait for a sale to do that as well)

    But yeah - the rise in the price of gold has really made the legendary pets a lot less affordable. For raising money until then... kill things and take their stuff. Or farm mats, I guess. (Ult subs are going back up again now the anniversary event tokens are rarer)

    You can get decent profits from celstones too - which means farming TT11 solo-mode can be just barely profitable, and you can do that with a non-herc pet. I'm not sure I seriously advise that over just grinding out DQ items though. The ones needed for quests sell pretty well.
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Yea, I thought the same about those crazy prices. And it's even better, if I didn't make some mistake.

    You can get 10 to 50 SoF/Feathers per pack, so it's

    (10+20+30+40+50)/5 = 30

    I'm not quite sure if the chances are even, but you should calculate with 30 per pack in average.

    It's not an even distribution, the average is 26.8 per pack. I'm not sure what gold is right now, someone was telling me 340k. If that's the case you're looking at 340000*1.02/26.8/2=6470.149254 coin per SoF/Feather for the break even point, or 6471+ on a catshop is more expensive than you would pay just buying gold.

    Oh, if you buy gold with coin to get a pet, don't bid at a price with more than 10 gold on it (maybe 15), this includes the bids you place as well. If you go above that people will simply bid over you, and the end result is a temporary increase in gold prices. Staggering bids is your friend, you'll pay less for the gold and less in listing fees.
  • mightymoose
    mightymoose Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Absolute cheapest is to wait for a pet-pack sale. They come often enough that I would, in fact, advise never buying petpacks except during a sale.

    How much was it the last time they had a pet-pack sale?
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Sales make it 30 silver rather than 50 silver per pack.
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Guess I should update the chart. If you calculate the probabilities, the packs average 26.8 each according to pwdatabase. My experience matches the pwdatabase figures (26.9 and 26.7 for my herc and phoenix).

    There's a 2% transaction fee for buying gold. So the average cost per feather/SoF works out to:

    (gold_price * 1.02) / (2*26.8)

    For the following gold prices, the corresponding feather/SoF price is:

    200k 3806
    210k 3996
    220k 4187
    230k 4377
    240k 4567
    250k 4757
    260k 4948
    270k 5138
    280k 5328
    290k 5519
    300k 5709
    310k 5899
    320k 6090
    330k 6280
    340k 6470
    350k 6660
    360k 6851
    370k 7041
    380k 7231
    390k 7422
    400k 7612
    410k 7802
    420k 7993
    430k 8183
    440k 8373
    450k 8563
    460k 8754
    470k 8944
    480k 9134
    490k 9325
    500k 9515
    510k 9705
    520k 9896
    530k 10086
    540k 10276
    550k 10466
    560k 10657
    570k 10847
    580k 11037
    590k 11228
    600k 11418
    610k 11608
    620k 11799
    630k 11989
    640k 12179
    650k 12369
    660k 12560
    670k 12750
    680k 12940
    690k 13131
    700k 13321
    710k 13511
    720k 13701
    730k 13892
    740k 14082
    750k 14272