BM Ornaments

DarkKyrios - Sanctuary
DarkKyrios - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Blademaster
It is clear in terms or armors and weapons where a BM should go... but there seems to be no certainty on what BM's should put on as their ornaments. For sure rings are always phys attack + genre, but am wondering what are the best necklaces and belts a BM should use.
Should BM's stick with physical defense necklaces and belts or use Element ones? can any experienced players enlighten me on this choice?
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  • Briegg - Sanctuary
    Briegg - Sanctuary Posts: 584 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments

    How does heavy make enough of a difference then, since it's even less of a % increase in pdef?
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  • kamikaze101
    kamikaze101 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments

    Actually when refined -which I figure Dark has enough money for- it does make a difference.....a big one o-o
  • Hippie - Harshlands
    Hippie - Harshlands Posts: 515 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments

    fail bro.

    yes they make a difference, use ONLY elemental oranments OR past belts may even worth a consideration.
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  • BladesFury - Heavens Tear
    BladesFury - Heavens Tear Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    from how i see it, some mag def would definitely be a plus, unless you are prepared to use balance on ur genie every now and then. This is however, based on the assumption that you are pking.

    During pk BMs do not usually marrow, and this is where the extra mag def comes in handy. They prevent the arcane classes from landing a hit that breaks past your charm cooldown time. Esp. archers as they can do both mag / phy attacks.

    This is how i see things, i maybe wrong though, but it has worked for me up till now. (+588 metal def headgear ftw :D)
  • Decus - Heavens Tear
    Decus - Heavens Tear Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments

    They make a HUGE difference if u refine them as Hippie has pointed out. With even a bit of refining they add a nice amount of elemental res. Even unrefined it would be more useful than adding a bit more pdef. No point stacking what you've got, do yourself a favor and go with elemental ornaments.
  • Spiderbait - Harshlands
    Spiderbait - Harshlands Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Briegg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    wearing elemental belts and knecklaces won't make a big enough difference in mag def
    to be worth it just stay heavy ornaments

    ROFL Dude ur taking a beating !! Lol
  • Hippie - Harshlands
    Hippie - Harshlands Posts: 515 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    BladesFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    from how i see it, some mag def would definitely be a plus, unless you are prepared to use balance on ur genie every now and then. This is however, based on the assumption that you are pking.

    During pk BMs do not usually marrow, and this is where the extra mag def comes in handy. They prevent the arcane classes from landing a hit that breaks past your charm cooldown time. Esp. archers as they can do both mag / phy attacks.

    This is how i see things, i maybe wrong though, but it has worked for me up till now. (+588 metal def headgear ftw :D)

    BMs never marrow in pvp? BMS ALWAYS MARROW IN PVP :))

    i have magic sutra on even if fighting ONLY BM AND WB, becouse with genie skills they can still hurt more than with their phisical attacks.
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I'd go with sky demon pearl for a necklace.
  • AshWorth - Sanctuary
    AshWorth - Sanctuary Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I like cape tauren, swindler neck, and sachet prachise if you can;t afford warsong belt and cube neck. Best is of course with 2 chaos rings that add 400 magic def..
  • DarkKyrios - Sanctuary
    DarkKyrios - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Thanks all for the nice feed back,
    knowing it helps for PvP, anyone have any suggestions for PvE? being a BM i understand that 1 of our roles are as a secondary tank, or the main tank it there no barbs around. So question is does it actually make enough difference by using elemental adds in terms of playing the role of a 2nd tank?

    after reading replies, a second question arises... Seems that refining ornaments would make some difference in elemental defenses, but am really wondering if it is worth it to get the "cape of tauren chiften" most high lvls seem to favor that cape, but does that magic bonus there do such a big difference?

    Thanks all again for the feedback, it's really helpful.
  • AshWorth - Sanctuary
    AshWorth - Sanctuary Posts: 86 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Yes. It helps a lot. You may be interested to see >70% resist for both phy and ele def , don;t you?
  • ExoKillr - Heavens Tear
    ExoKillr - Heavens Tear Posts: 177 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    DarkKyrios - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It is clear in terms or armors and weapons where a BM should go... but there seems to be no certainty on what BM's should put on as their ornaments. For sure rings are always phys attack + genre, but am wondering what are the best necklaces and belts a BM should use.
    Should BM's stick with physical defense necklaces and belts or use Element ones? can any experienced players enlighten me on this choice?

    lol i no im late in the answer, but elemental FOR SURE. we have enough phys def with our buff plus if u stack marrow on. ure almost 90, get swindlers to +5 or more and very nice. get 90 gold also if ure rich and like to show em off ^_~
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  • Cbastor - Lost City
    Cbastor - Lost City Posts: 385 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    go with Maggic deffense belt and necks,use the cube neck and the red 80 belt.u can also stack ur maggic deffense with the 95 rings and TC Cape.i also think its a good idea to use maggic deffense gems over hp cuz BMs have marrow,its sort of like wizz use phy def,and EPs use hp gem (or should)and WB should only use hp gem cuz in tiger form it will amp the hp even more
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    for me, I wear:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8368
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8372

    depending on my opponent I usually have 2 of these:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/8384

    but if my opponent is magic, I have 1 of these:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12264

    I have this ring because, when refined, it adds magic defense but still adds a nice amount of physical attack(as well as con, agi, and crit). I got it cheap +5, so the boost is nice when I'm fighting a high mage.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Pirate King's Seal, upgrade to Demon Slaughter Belt
    Equine Talisman, upgrade to Swindlers Necklace (or past map quest rewards)

    Personally I don't see the +pres or +evasion to be as beneficial as extra elemental protection dute to the fact that the heavy armor has plenty of pres and very little mdef and if you're building towards dex, the extra evasion wouldn't be as necessary either.

    Of course, build to suit your style of play.
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    When testing out builds in another cheesy version of the game, i was soloing squad mode TTs and killing lunar bosses. I found that you need at least 1 mag def ornament for surviving without using demon marrow magic. With +12 on that one item, the magic attacks would not 1 shot me after the phdysical beatings waiting for charm to recharge. using a 2nd one ended up taking more damage, because the physical attacks of the bosses dealt more DD than the long casting spells, even though it hit harder.

    So, you at the very least need one for PvE that is ele resist, more if you don't have high refinement on it or mag def adds. This is if you're tanking bosses without cleric intervention though; if you're not planning on soloing or being tank, you are better off having necklace and belt be mag def. getting the extra phys def isn't as big a deal in PvE when you have a full squad, and PvP you most definitely want both to be mag def. A glaring weakness of low elemental resist is a way to make high armor refines a complete waste of time.
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