Deciding Sage or Demon for Axe BM

luke31
luke31 Posts: 1 Arc User
edited May 2010 in Blademaster
looking for opinions For a Axe BladeMaster Sage or Demon and state ur case if u will :D
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    luke31 wrote: »
    looking for opinions For a Axe BladeMaster Sage or Demon and state ur case if u will :D

    Axe? demon all the way. Longer bash stun, longer double damage from Heaven's. Quite frankly, sage's chi and 3% or less extra damage cannot reduce the usefulness of these 2 skills. Both for solo, and party, demon is better all the way.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

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  • CUTaBEACH - Lost City
    CUTaBEACH - Lost City Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    meh.. i dont know sage gives 15% more damage with the axe mastery >.> its a tough choice
  • roman6
    roman6 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    sage > hell axe warrior. chi. period end of story. b:cute
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  • Accelerated - Sanctuary
    Accelerated - Sanctuary Posts: 1,048 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Demon Roar of the Pride / mob control / better stun chain > Sage
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  • roman6
    roman6 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    everyone knows the key to being a successful warrior requires chi. sure demon gives longer stuns...but its still simple to chain stun with sage warrior with the new genie. roar of pride and drake bash both require less chi. also +15% weapon damage is nice > 1% crit. yes hell dragons are nice, but all in all requires chi. and demon warriors lack chi unless you spam chi pots, which, neglect dew of star orbs, or other types taht are useful in pvp. believe me both sage and demon are both very good. but sage has a slight edge.
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Depends on your build, meaning, more in-depth what have you got? My mini-barb BM friend went sage but told me he wished he'd gone Demon. (If this doesn't get me in trouble, you could build two BMs in FPW and each go their own way so you can see what you like.)
  • Shadows_Rei - Sanctuary
    Shadows_Rei - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Are you pure axe? or are you multi-weaponing? If your pure axe go sage, you need it. However if your multi weapon with a spear or sword, go demon. Demon skills have better effects and will allow you to spike better, but axes attack too slowly for you to spike often.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    The best thing to do is to look at the skills you use. The ones you find most useful. For yourself and with party.

    Compare the demon & sage effects for those skills. Make a list. Like, don't like. Pro's & Con's.

    Now, look further out and see if perhaps there are skills you might use if you chose a certain path. Once again make a list of likes and don't likes; Pros & Cons.

    That is my suggestion to you.

    I chose demon. For a few of the following reasons.

    1.) Demon Roar (never fails; cool down reduced by 1 second [wow a guaranteed AOE stun]) > Sage Roar (Reduce Chi cost by 10 [who cares])

    2.) Demon Heavens Flame (increases duration to 9 seconds. [this is a 50% time increase just wow]) > Sage Heavens Flame (increases Fire damage to 2000 over 6 seconds [doesn't come close to the damage the 3 extra seconds will provide])

    3.) Demon Drakes Bash (extends stun time by 1.5 seconds. [awesome a guaranteed extra 1.5 seconds every time it hits])> Sage Drakes Bash (gives a 25% chance to cast without using Spark.[ Wow such a small chance to save a spark; not dependable])

    4.) Demon Diamond Sutra (gives a 10% increase to critical hit rate.[I love crit;for my build this is awesome and guaranteed after use])> Sage Diamond Sutra (has a 20% chance to recover an additional 50% HP.[you like to gamble sure go ahead great effect but will it work when you need it??])

    I can go on....but this is the type of list you need to make for yourself.
    Retired

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  • Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear
    Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear Posts: 701 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I can say, if you are pve player, it wont really matter, if you are pvp player u have to know that only really good advantage u can use is the Way you play your char.

    Good thing Demon has is 3spark, and it is designed for fist and sword abuse of the attack rate with gold 90-99 wrists. It is not designed for axes not is it designed for TW, where you not only cant use it, but if you do use it, that shows you arent really serious in what you are doing.

    This said u have to be aware that your 2 spark skills will not come handy most of the time even if you are pvp user (u will need a spark to heal yourself almost always), so counting on any 2 spark skill as a real advantage is again, only for pve such as rebirth and aoe leveling.

    The chance u have to save 1 spark is pretty high on main skils tho, but you need to be level 99 to see that, thats one more lack of info i would say. Also Roar, aoe stun, almost never fails even on level 10, and I play TW where everyone is geared up, for a year now. Demon roar is just issue if you want to pk and ussually 1 on 1 and still u cant be stunned if you have apothecary or your WB sprint.

    Sage also gives you mastery of 90% increased attack, while Demon gives you 1 % crit. There is 79skil that also adds crit rate and the bottom line is, u can stack up your % crit but you can not add +30% damage on your attack without sage skill mastery.

    Ok, I typed too much b:surrender

    My opinion, go demon and get 1 more weapon to get a really good feeling why demon BM skills are good (i suggest sword since every bm will have to get that after 100 anyway or fist)
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    since when is demon not good for axes? seriously? since when does a wr use fury burst in open pvp? how is 75% -> 90% going to be a life changing number when you have a higher chance to hit a crit(passives don't even matter until you have a +12 weapon zz)

    how did you get to level 100?

    dark-drake - longer stun. relying on a 25% chance is ridiculously idiotic
    volcanic stunner - better slow. compared to lowering fire defense for no apparent reason whatsoever, I'll take the better slow.
    heaven flame - longer amp.

    the only skill for holy that is better is the cleaving, and that's because it has a higher chance for its effect to work, which adds crit.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Apparently sage aura gives 90% more phys defence. Seems to me it'd be more useful to a squad.

    The 1% crit from hell axe mastery doesn't seem worth it. You could, say hit 7500 and crit 15000k 11% of the time, or hit 9000 and crit 18000k 10% of the time.

    Of course, for rb's and such, I admit the hell heavens flame would be far more efficient.

    Still wondering which path to go myself, considering I rarely pvp and like to help out a lot. Hell looks more pvp orientated.
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Apparently sage aura gives 90% more phys defence. Seems to me it'd be more useful to a squad.

    The 1% crit from hell axe mastery doesn't seem worth it. You could, say hit 7500 and crit 15000k 11% of the time, or hit 9000 and crit 18000k 10% of the time.

    Of course, for rb's and such, I admit the hell heavens flame would be far more efficient.

    Still wondering which path to go myself, considering I rarely pvp and like to help out a lot. Hell looks more pvp orientated.

    the 15% from sage weapon mastery is weapon damage not total damage output
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    the difference in auric's defense with normal +5 gears is about ~1k pdef on a warrior. however dark's version gives 75% increase and an additional 75%(150%) increase for 15 seconds.

    the passive for axe 75% damage and 2% crit. 2% sir, not 1. 75% -> 90% is about ~800 total patk on the char. sheet. that means you're going to hit 50-200 total points higher than dark, and crit 2% less of the time. see how that works, sir?
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Lol, don't be a tw@t, no need for the "sir" ****, I'm not arguing, just quoting what I've read from research so far. b:chuckle If your math is right and demon works out to be better then that's great, as I said I'm still deciding and any info is helpful.

    And true, sage aura wouldn't give a huge boost, but it would benefit the entire party? Even if demon works for the entire group I can't picture spamming it in rb or tt being particularly effective.
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Lol, don't be a tw@t, no need for the "sir" ****, I'm not arguing, just quoting what I've read from research so far. b:chuckle If your math is right and demon works out to be better then that's great, as I said I'm still deciding and any info is helpful.

    And true, sage aura wouldn't give a huge boost, but it would benefit the entire party? Even if demon works for the entire group I can't picture spamming it in rb or tt being particularly effective.

    yup thats true, sage aura is better for group. also the book description for demon axe mastery says 1%, 2% for barbs
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    the difference in auric's defense with normal +5 gears is about ~1k pdef on a warrior. however dark's version gives 75% increase and an additional 75%(150%) increase for 15 seconds.

    the passive for axe 75% damage and 2% crit. 2% sir, not 1. 75% -> 90% is about ~800 total patk on the char. sheet. that means you're going to hit 50-200 total points higher than dark, and crit 2% less of the time. see how that works, sir?

    umm you are wrong it is 1% crit not 2%
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    in my server, the book clearly says 2%. pwi's translations are 99% wrong from the original client. like how people thought holy arencaeous removed 50% crit.

    good one pwi.

    as for auric, the pdef holy offers is less than 3% for every class. it's not a life changing skill.
  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    in my server, the book clearly says 2%. pwi's translations are 99% wrong from the original client. like how people thought holy arencaeous removed 50% crit.

    good one pwi.

    as for auric, the pdef holy offers is less than 3% for every class. it's not a life changing skill.

    umm and yet ecatomb and everything else except your word says that its 1% crit
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Decus - Heavens Tear
    Decus - Heavens Tear Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    umm and yet ecatomb and everything else except your word says that its 1% crit

    Get your facts straight before you post. Those sites are not right all the time for one thing, thats what editing is for. The demon mastery did indeed say 2% until the last few patches. He's not the only one that has stated it. People on pw-my also make claim that theirs is 2% as well.

    Refer to Lyndura's bm guide and look under axe mastery as well.

    Whatever it is or isnt true really is a useless point as whether it is 1% or 2% cannot be proven either way.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    I actually have the axe passive on myen, it says it adds 2%(got it from pages this morning). want a picture?
  • Pervs - Lost City
    Pervs - Lost City Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    I actually have the axe passive on myen, it says it adds 2%(got it from pages this morning). want a picture?

    Yes, no private servers please :3
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Decus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Get your facts straight before you post. Those sites are not right all the time for one thing, thats what editing is for. The demon mastery did indeed say 2% until the last few patches. He's not the only one that has stated it. People on pw-my also make claim that theirs is 2% as well.

    Refer to Lyndura's bm guide and look under axe mastery as well.

    Whatever it is or isnt true really is a useless point as whether it is 1% or 2% cannot be proven either way.

    you just said it yourself the last few patches it changed so why are you acting like an idiot? b:chuckle

    and prof take a look at your comment you said rivate servers the private servers have 6% channeling and 2% crit stones too.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you just said it yourself the last few patches it changed so why are you acting like an idiot? b:chuckle

    and prof take a look at your comment you said rivate servers the private servers have 6% channeling and 2% crit stones too.

    He said pw-my, not fpw. FPW is fake perfect world; private servers. pw-my is for malaysian pw, a version of the same game we are currently playing. It is what people played before coming over to PWI when these new servers opened up last year. They have the same system, and updates we get. There are a few different versions out, none of which are private server. There are a few skill disagreements on pwdatabase that may be either an error in the text, or a change of balance from what was observed before. Usually, they are the same though.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »
    He said pw-my, not fpw. FPW is fake perfect world; private servers. pw-my is for malaysian pw, a version of the same game we are currently playing. It is what people played before coming over to PWI when these new servers opened up last year. They have the same system, and updates we get. There are a few different versions out, none of which are private server. There are a few skill disagreements on pwdatabase that may be either an error in the text, or a change of balance from what was observed before. Usually, they are the same though.

    if you noticed i put room between the 2 statements for a reason prof was talking about the private servers not the other guy.



    also maybe you all keep getting the bm and barb skill books mixed up... the barbs are 2% not the bms
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    can't even log in. friend says the mainmap crashed. look here:
    http://www.ecatomb.net/my/skillmy.php

    the axe passive says it adds +2% in our version.

    and no, this isn't from a private server. it's known as "delphi", sir. delphi is an official server.
  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    can't even log in. friend says the mainmap crashed. look here:
    http://www.ecatomb.net/my/skillmy.php

    the axe passive says it adds +2% in our version.

    and no, this isn't from a private server. it's known as "delphi", sir. delphi is an official server.

    lol this is PWI not PW-MY, apparently there's a lot of confusion over whether it is actually 1% or 2% since in game the book says 1% for demon. Also what's with all the "sir" makes you sound like a waiter if you're trying to be insulting
  • Pervs - Lost City
    Pervs - Lost City Posts: 256 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    can't even log in. friend says the mainmap crashed. look here:
    http://www.ecatomb.net/my/skillmy.php

    the axe passive says it adds +2% in our version.

    and no, this isn't from a private server. it's known as "delphi", sir. delphi is an official server.

    I wanted a screen shot of your demon axe mastery with 2% crit, you failed to do that. b:bye
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2009
    Pervs - Lost City wrote: »
    I wanted a screen shot of your demon axe mastery with 2% crit, you failed to do that. b:bye

    prof wrote: »
    can't even log in. friend says the mainmap crashed.

    you failed to read that. b:bye
  • HatheR - Sanctuary
    HatheR - Sanctuary Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    It's pretty hard to choice, both are good.
    I made a list with pros and con.

    Well, it was 7pros for sage and 7 pros for demon skills (axe+muti weapon skills)
    And, after all, i choosed Sage.
    Why? I don't need the extra stun to stunluck someone, so it's like a waste, in my opinion.
    Sage Cleave it's awesome, and we use cleave all the time, because don't need chi/sparks.
    More damage, can save chi with bash, can get your **** saved by sutra (+50% hp), better marrows.
    That's why I choosed Sage, because for me, an axe bm, it's better.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    prof wrote: »
    can't even log in. friend says the mainmap crashed. look here:
    http://www.ecatomb.net/my/skillmy.php

    the axe passive says it adds +2% in our version.

    and no, this isn't from a private server. it's known as "delphi", sir. delphi is an official server.

    http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php

    read that and maybe you will learn your lesson.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.

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