Would You Add more STR as Usual?

Bigbux - Dreamweaver
Bigbux - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
edited October 2009 in Archer
Ok well, I've been thinking about ways to increase my survivability when being attacked by strong/many mobs and I was wondering which stats to add.
As of now im a "pure" archer and I would like to somehow "tank" some monsters. I'm lvl 61 with about 2k hp unbuffed.
My Stats(Items unequipped):
-Vit:8
-Str:65
-Dex:242
-Mag:5
Phys res: ~1.2k
Elemental res.:~1.8k
I'm thinking about buying a Reset Scroll to take 50 out of Dex later on and add 50 to either one.
I've been thinking about either having high HP or better Phys Resistance since monsters tick my charm in a few hits as they get close.
QUESTION: Would you rather add more Vit or Str in order to tank some monsters? Maybe Split it? (*Not aiming to tank bosses by myself either)
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  • Nelanther - Lost City
    Nelanther - Lost City Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    HP would be better than physical res. However you should almost never find yourself having to tank something. But if you take away 50 dex then perhaps you will have to. The net effect of removing 50 dex to gain roughly 600 hp will have your charm ticking more often than it is now.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Adding Strength would be worthwhile only if you decide to become a Heavy Armor Archer. This requires:

    Str = 2.5 * level to wear Heavy Armor
    Dex = 3 * level to use latest Archer weapon

    As you can see, you cannot stat your character to wear the latest. You will need to wear equipment with -Requirement, or get gear that adds to stats. I'm not saying a Heavy Armor Archer is doomed to failure. I am merely pointing out what you need to overcome.

    Adding points to Vitality removes from your "pureness". Given the large number of archers that are Pure Dex who are not complaining, is it perchance possible you are not reacting properly when you are facing multiple enemies? Have you experimented with combinations of Winged Shell, Wings of Grace and Double-Spark?
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Okay, point one: there's nothing wrong with extra strength, although I put a little STR in for different reasons than you. :P But I'm afraid you'll never be able to tank anything remotely near your level. Even if you could wear heavy armor, you just won't have the HP for it. :(

    Second point: why are you fighting physical monsters anymore? The 60s are all about switching from melee to magic mobs. In the 60s I switched out my physical-res belt and necklace for elemental versions, and I would just grind on Minions of Alucard or one of the many magic mobs in the swamp.

    Third point: never ever try to fight more than one thing at once. Again, you're not built for taking. :( If you catch aggro from a second mob, use Winged Shell and a potion/powder or two, and take down your first target ASAP (or run away if your first target is still at high health).

    Fourth point: it sounds like your problem is less statistical and more strategy-based. Fact is, operating successfully in this game is maybe 20% stats and 80% strategy. You're gonna want to move from a state where you have to take hits, to one where you avoid them... maybe taking one hit per mob at most.

    Try a combo of Take Aim - standard hits x2 - Stun Arrow - Knockback Arrow - Aim Low (optional / if you have the spark for it) - Frost Arrow - standard hits until dead. If the mob gets close enough to start casting at you, use Winged Shell. This usually makes sure I take little to no damage on mobs of my level... and I'm not a pure archer, either (I have around 30 Vit and 100 Str... also, 15 Magic XD).

    The only downside is that it might cost a good bit of MP to do that combo a bunch of times. :P For that, I suggest focus powder or jade powder. :)
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  • KedgeSniper - Lost City
    KedgeSniper - Lost City Posts: 733 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Bigbux - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My Stats(Items unequipped):
    -Vit:8
    -Str:65
    -Dex:242
    -Mag:5
    Phys res: ~1.2k
    Elemental res.:~1.8k
    I'm thinking about buying a Reset Scroll to take 50 out of Dex later on and add 50 to either one.
    I've been thinking about either having high HP or better Phys Resistance since monsters tick my charm in a few hits as they get close.
    QUESTION: Would you rather add more Vit or Str in order to tank some monsters? Maybe Split it? (*Not aiming to tank bosses by myself either)
    Every dex player goes thru that..

    1st 60s grind = Magic mobs.. so im not sure why puttin strenght
    2nd Putting more Vit.. 50= 500Hp.. =1/2shots more.. But ya will deal less damage n lose +2% cri... which at yar lv mite be like 13(keepin 13 after note)
    3rd All depends on yar gear.. n also.. We are not a class like barbs.. that goes n grab 20mobs n try to survive.. BUT WE KILL FAST.
    "Wats the point of having 2-3mobs on ya"
    4th If ya have issues wit dying.. Get sum genie skills to keep ya alive.. Tree of protection, absolute domain, holy path, etc.. At times when im zhening or i pull agro, i always keep absolute domain close.. cus its mainly my Life saver..
    5th Trust me.. once u get to 70s.. u will have 3khp.. 80s will be 3.5k-5(6)k n 90s will be 4k++

    It will pay off been pure.. I have lots of friends that are not, n i have so much dex..

    i have 438 Atm~ which is not bad.. n i dont have much +dex
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  • GREEN_GOD - Heavens Tear
    GREEN_GOD - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Okay, point one: there's nothing wrong with extra strength, although I put a little STR in for different reasons than you. :P But I'm afraid you'll never be able to tank anything remotely near your level. Even if you could wear heavy armor, you just won't have the HP for it. :(

    That's a lie, with good healers I can and have had to tank Zimo FB59 and Fushma. I can solo FB19 and the ending boss, with a good healer I can tank FB29 and FB39 all except farren because I haven't tried. You "can" tank but you shouldn't be.
    Third point: never ever try to fight more than one thing at once. Again, you're not built for taking. :( If you catch aggro from a second mob, use Winged Shell and a potion/powder or two, and take down your first target ASAP (or run away if your first target is still at high health).

    Like I said before, you "can" tank more than one mob at once, two at the most. If you do aggro Winged shell > Wingspan > Normal shot + hp pots > Wingspan again or Double spark kill the first if you haven't then the second. Not to hard. Mind you I do this ALL the time so yes it does work.
    Try a combo of Take Aim - standard hits x2 - Stun Arrow - Knockback Arrow - Aim Low (optional / if you have the spark for it) - Frost Arrow - standard hits until dead. If the mob gets close enough to start casting at you, use Winged Shell. This usually makes sure I take little to no damage on mobs of my level... and I'm not a pure archer, either (I have around 30 Vit and 100 Str... also, 15 Magic XD).

    Do "NOT" do what was described above.You will use WAY more MP than you need to, which I attribute to fail archers.

    If you want what I do.

    Regularly:
    Stun Arrow > Normal shots till it's close > wingspan > normal shots

    Everynow and then:
    Deadly Shot > Stun Arrow > Normal shots until dead or close > If not dead Wingspan

    Also I am a pure archer 4dex 1str every single level
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Try a combo of Take Aim - standard hits x2 - Stun Arrow - Knockback Arrow - Aim Low (optional / if you have the spark for it) - Frost Arrow - standard hits until dead.
    GREEN_GOD - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Regularly:
    Stun Arrow > Normal shots till it's close > wingspan > normal shots

    Everynow and then:
    Deadly Shot > Stun Arrow > Normal shots until dead or close > If not dead Wingspan

    What in the world...?

    From where are these combos coming?
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    GREEN_GOD wrote:
    Do "NOT" do what was described above.You will use WAY more MP than you need to, which I attribute to fail archers.
    Why? Why not use MP if you have it? I agree that there's a value in MP-economy, but with the powders we have available to us, there's not much point in it. I have more Focus Powder than I know what to do with. -_- Why should I not use it?
    GREEN_GOD wrote:
    Regularly:
    Stun Arrow > Normal shots till it's close > wingspan > normal shots

    Everynow and then:
    Deadly Shot > Stun Arrow > Normal shots until dead or close > If not dead Wingspan

    Also I am a pure archer 4dex 1str every single level
    As Incarnata stated, Wingspan is just as bad as, if not worse than, Stun Arrow.

    And besides that, you incorporate Stun Arrow in your pattern as well! I probably blow less mana on my Knockback and Frost than you do on your Wingspan alone... to say nothing of Deadly Shot which is a HUGE MP drainer (which is why I suggested Take Aim as your starter). Who exactly is the fail archer, here? :P
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why? Why not use MP if you have it? I agree that there's a value in MP-economy, but with the powders we have available to us, there's not much point in it. I have more Focus Powder than I know what to do with. -_- Why should I not use it?

    If you don't have on a charm, go for it. Sure you're technically killing slower but it's fun to break the routine just because you can. If you're charmed, though, unless you have a large MP pool, all you're really doing is murdering your charm.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Which is why Powders > Charms for general grinding purposes. :P

    Yes, a charm would indeed get murdered. Focus Powder, however, is much more efficient.

    For instance: with one focus powder, you would get:

    50 MP Recovery / Second * 60 Seconds / Minute * 10 Minutes / Powder = 30,000 MP

    That's a basic model, though - obviously you'll spend some time in combat. But even if you were in combat the entire 10 minutes, you'd get an extra 7,500 MP.

    If you were meditating the entire time? 60,000 MP. :P (Not that this is useful in the slightest, but... yeah)

    Compare that to the cost of charms... yeah, the choice is clear to me. :P

    Or... get some MP recovery gear and grind with a cleric. You can still pull off my combo and only have to meditate every 5 minutes or so for about 30 seconds, at most... with a lv10 buff anyway.
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    I do agree with you on that completely. I've often wished I could temporarily remove my charms when I'm done with instances or PK so that I could go grind on powders (100 HP/MP recovery/sec = godmode when grinding) or even be able to use some of my potion stash BEFORE my charms tick when pulling stunts that basically auto-tick the charms.

    And then with event foods in play.....

    Like I said, if you don't have a charm to worry about, I'm all for just **** around or having fun with skills (I once zhenned on a spot with 10 or so hens near arrowhead mansion just because I was bored and felt like getting revenge for what they can do in Legend of Zelda games) but if you DO have a charm you don't want to needlessly murder, it's best to be conservative so the charm ticks as little as possible until you're in an area where it ticking is helpful.
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why? Why not use MP if you have it? I agree that there's a value in MP-economy, but with the powders we have available to us, there's not much point in it. I have more Focus Powder than I know what to do with. -_- Why should I not use it?

    because you kill faster with normal hits and using as little spells in your combo as possible...
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    He has 30 vit, 100 str, and 15 magic at level 75. I think he needs to skill-spam, actually.

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