Cube vs. Deicide

Soul Infect removes 10% max health. Really only useful on barbs, high CS people with refines, and bosses. Use cube with genie skills for double damage with no drawbacks, not good for PvE, but should work in PvP nicely.

Cubes ability is a timed buff (i do not know the duration) which doubles your physical attack. Your physical attack is the number in your character stat window for how much damage your normal attacks do. Therefore for normal attacks you should do double damage the entire duration of the buff, and it should only effect special attacks based off weapon damage %. The ability also boosts attack speed. The defense lowering can be countered with stun or items (either puri yourself or stop the enemy from attacking). During the buff the speed of this should be the same if not very close to what decide is with the -interval stuff, plus the double damage over a period of time mixed with the fact fists have highest activation rate for abilities should yield more damage. These fists would be horrible for pve where you are tanking the damage....if you are just damage dealing tho what I said above applies.

This is why in theory at least the berserk on cube is better for fast attacking weapons where you use normal attacks (get a ton of double damage hits in a row), and the berserker on hatchets is better for slow weapons, where you rely more heavily on spec attack spammage (doubling the damage of the entire attack, not just physical attack).

Also in theory both berserk and berserker should stack on each other since the normal run of the mill berserker is not a buff. So use cube to get the buff then switch to Buddha: Peace (the berserker 90 fists), and berserk normal attacks should hit 4x damage, berserk crits 8x damage. This is only a prediction but I think it might work lol.

Personally im going with shadowforce guantlets (tt99 green) for the heal/increase all defense ability, since fists proc abilities alot that would be really nice to save me healing as much. For pve obviously and useful for tanking.

I think demon/sage preferences might also come into play when determining which one you want.

For demon I'd say deicide is better, demon spark more than doubles your attack power (about 2.4x more phy damage for me right now) AND adds 25% attack speed. If you use cube, your demon spark status might be covered up a few seconds later. Even if it does add as much attack speed as demon spark, which I doubt, you'll be gimping your damage. For sage it probably doesn't matter that much.

-0.2 is enough to make your attack speed 2.0. Without deicide's -0.1 you'll be left with 1.67. Personally I'll choose a solid increase in attack speed that doesn't interfere with cleric's rb and my demon spark.

About berserk last time I heard it was an increase in 100% weapon damage. If someone have the TT99 Mirage Scimitar, we'll be able to check if it is in fact double physical damage. If it does increase physical damage it will be more op than berserker. I doubt it's actually that good though.

Alot of people are also assuming that spark will be over-ridden, which makes no sense since they are different effects. Heck, increased physical attack proc from behemoth stacks with the barb increase attack, as well as stacking with spark increased attack. They all use the same icon and do the same thing, still stack. So unless someone tries it out, ignore all the people assuming it does.

Also, it doesn't double the damage against you even if you don't rid the detriment. And since fist is all about DPS, doubling it means your damage increase will still be higher than their damage increase. The only thing to change that, would be losing a stun lock against a ranged class which has skills to get away from melee range.

of course. people in my server actually farm cresent valley and make these things. if it were doubled(ie: I've seen these +12, and that's roughly 6-6.5k patk w/ dark passive), that's 12-13k patk, which would be well over what axes offer.

in reality, it goes from 6-6.5k to 6.5-6.9k, and last about 10 seconds(10 seconds of 100~ more pvp damage, in return taking doubled damage).

Still think I'll wait on someone to actually have the lunar fists to find out what their true effect is. If you took double damage under berserk status, they usually just state that. Since it just mentions increased damage, it sounds more 15%-60% range.

As for Cube mixed with Buddha: Peace, the only way I planned on using the two was to work up for a large damage spike making use of Tyrseus' high % boost compared to other skills. Even Myriad pales in comparison to how powerful Tyrseus can strike for.

Now not sure if there is an actual difference in wording between base physical attack and base physical damage, but if there isn't then base phys attack is not based on damage multiplier. I tested out using the exact same fists for each part; I did normal attacks, sparked attacks, normal Tyrseus, sparked Tyrseus.

Normal attack on the horsies was averaged pretty close at 2.2K dmg a hit. Sparked hits were around 4.1K dmg a hit. So not quite double, and added 1.9K dmg.

Now Tyrseus normal dealt 5.5K damage, not a high refinement on my new weapon. However, sparked dealt roughly 10K damage each time. Now if spark was counted seperate, it should only be 7.5K damage. As such, spark boost's effect on your character screen is counted as part of the base physical damage to reach that higher number; again, almost double the damage.

Regardless, I plan on getting Buddha: Peace and Cube for the Tyrseus spike for the sake of obscenity. Most likely won't refine them too high for a while, as my Gorenox will be my main grinding fists. Deicide may be faster, but doesn't heal me as I go. Until I get in the -.35 interval range anyways, at which the higher attack rate will likely save me more damage than Gorenox will heal.

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Still think I'll wait on someone to actually have the lunar fists to find out what their true effect is. If you took double damage under berserk status, they usually just state that. Since it just mentions increased damage, it sounds more 15%-60% range.

As for Cube mixed with Buddha: Peace, the only way I planned on using the two was to work up for a large damage spike making use of Tyrseus' high % boost compared to other skills. Even Myriad pales in comparison to how powerful Tyrseus can strike for.

Now not sure if there is an actual difference in wording between base physical attack and base physical damage, but if there isn't then base phys attack is not based on damage multiplier. I tested out using the exact same fists for each part; I did normal attacks, sparked attacks, normal Tyrseus, sparked Tyrseus.

Normal attack on the horsies was averaged pretty close at 2.2K dmg a hit. Sparked hits were around 4.1K dmg a hit. So not quite double, and added 1.9K dmg.

Now Tyrseus normal dealt 5.5K damage, not a high refinement on my new weapon. However, sparked dealt roughly 10K damage each time. Now if spark was counted seperate, it should only be 7.5K damage. As such, spark boost's effect on your character screen is counted as part of the base physical damage to reach that higher number; again, almost double the damage.

Regardless, I plan on getting Buddha: Peace and Cube for the Tyrseus spike for the sake of obscenity. Most likely won't refine them too high for a while, as my Gorenox will be my main grinding fists. Deicide may be faster, but doesn't heal me as I go. Until I get in the -.35 interval range anyways, at which the higher attack rate will likely save me more damage than Gorenox will heal.

if u want to deal deadly dmg in aoe, use axes... and combine with poles or swords.

use everything for its meant to be

Deicide still won't stop me constantly attempting to craft grade 13 OHT claws with -.15 interval. Sucks that PWdatabase was wrong about them having a -.1 interval add before they changed it 2 months back. I was so looking forward to 20 atks a second

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Deicide still won't stop me constantly attempting to craft grade 13 OHT claws with -.15 interval. Sucks that PWdatabase was wrong about them having a -.1 interval add before they changed it 2 months back. I was so looking forward to 20 atks a second

max attacks possible by the game mechanic is 5/s

Well.... im thinking of 5 aps with Cube fist might be nice. If u can be permament in berserk means that ur dmg doubles. b:dirty And when u get sin tanking.. who cares how much dmg u take b:laugh