Some high lvl cleric noobs need to learn how to heal -_-

How was the OP getting hit by AoE? IB has a 26.5 range, and cleric attack skills have 26.5 range. Most AoE doesn't have a range even close to 40. So how the heck was Ninna being hit by AoE. That's the first thing that pops out to me.

I can tank 39 with my veno in my 70's lol so that lvl 80 veno should have been able to tank eeeasily b:scorn b:puzzled

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most AoE doesn't have a range even close to 40. So how the heck was Ninna being hit by AoE. That's the first thing that pops out to me.

Can you tell me how you get your numbers for range? I always wondered how pple calculate mob range


As for that cleric...........its probably an oracle lvler from another class b:surrender

Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »

40 is a generalization that I don't have to be worried about being too small. The largest AoE range we faced up til lvl 7x+ was the first boss in PvE TW. His range was somewhere around 35 - 40 I believe, and all bosses in FBs were smaller than that. So I just use 40 as a base number that is reasonable for out of AoE distance, especially in low lvl FBs.

And with 26.5 m range of IB, that means if the boss isn't within 13.5 m there should be no issue with AoE. Might be for the other DDs, but if they don't know to back out if they aren't receiving heals, they are dieing because Darwin hates them.

To be perfectly fair, you're right in that most mobs don't have AEs over 40 meters (though most bosses with significant AEs have greater than 26.5, in my experience), but a mob does not engage at max range from a cleric's attacks (with the exception of primeval towerlings, and the like). They get within range for their own ranged attacks, which I believe is between 15 to 20 meters. With that said~

Ninna, if a high level cleric offers to tank something, and they can't handle it on their own, let them die. If the low-levels are within range of the AE and refuse to move, kill them too, and rezz them just as the boss is dying (unless they are not tabber, in which case... well, cest la vie, they can grind tabbed exp fast enough). And if you're dying too much to handle heals on yourself, you gotta look at refining your strategy, because there are clerics at level 39 who have handled that FB. Overall I'd give the group an F in the first place, but you aren't exactly the bludgeoned victim here.

i m cleric lvl 66 and i see my self better from some high lvls
there is clerics dont know how to act in runs
and the onlything **** me off too that when i m in run with another cleric and he did not focus on heal and just atk cause he love that and make us

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

ah i was asking more where you got the specific numbers to a point where you calculated near x3 of some of the skill ranges.

Other games used a 3rd party tool (which was basically against TOS), and I didnt see any sort of measuring in PWI. By what lv and skill did you get to calculate your base range of 40? since any range over the initial skill range is wholey based on personal estimates

Just something I based off of when I was planning out the initial PvE TW battles the faction I was in fought. Had to put together the teams, which at the time needed a mix of proper level and class. No matter what, one cleric had to BB outside of the TW boss' AoE range, or it got disrupted. And since not all people had maxed skills, server levels were still pretty low back then, I had to look at individual skill use, the levels of those skills, and a whole lot of other junk. In addition to telling people to stop using lesser leveled more powerful skills as it drew them out of BB. Got pretty good at setting up BB at just the right range.

As for instances not being as great, I used the method I talked about. Also relied on skills not as leveled as IB, such as Purify, which would draw me into AoE, then run back out to reach IB max range out of AoE. Look at the difference in the max range for an idea of just what range they have as difference.

As for the 15-20 range on bosses, I'd agree. But as long as it didn't drop down to have a range of 13.5-20, you would still be outside of 40 m away when using IB (that's not even counting the 1 m or so that the heal target occupies). Which is what made it safe to say there should be no good reason the healer was taking AoE damage if properly healing. Which is ironic, given the OP post.

EDIT: Should point out that the 35-40 range is what we estimated TW boss aoe to be, for caution of planning. I forget if maxed bow mastery people were able to attack without being hit, as we didn't have any at the time. Was definitely more than 30 though. Either way, rule of 40 is good enough for pretty much all calculations. Except that harpy chica.

Llyanka - Harshlands wrote: »

I soloed Farren in my 60's, if an 8x cleric can't do it, there is something wrong there.
They could be an oracle lvler, there is someone in my faction right now that is an oracle lvler... she just achieved lvl 80, but has the clerical intellect of a lvl 12.
If I do a random run with non-faction members, I always lay out the rules, whether I am highest lvl cleric (which I usually am) or not. I heal the tank, every one else has to fend for themselves, unless I get a moment when I can cast an IH on 'em.

I am getting to the point where I don't even need a secondary tank for the lower lvl instances. My current goal is to be able to solo fb69 b:victory I know of at least one cleric that was able to do it in their 70's b:laugh

anyhoo... thats a random for yas

Let me know when u gonna be able to solo Fb69 as Cleric

I have to agree with you Ninna, that cleric is a high lvl noob b:chuckle

Even in my early 90's I still BB Faren most times, even if it's just to keep the tabber alive (even if you tell them to stay back, they cannot resist attacking b:laugh) maybe it's just laziness ~ not having to IhB the squad members one by one..

If I ever offer to tank a boss, I will always ask the second cleric (if there is one..) to take care of the rest of the squad (if needed) as I AM a cleric, I can heal myself b:cute

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

It sounds if the OP is saying that the other cleric went in attacking the boss.This could be a FAC cleric if they didn't do any healing or buffing.This is what is sounds like the OP is saying.

In cases when we have 2 clerics in the squad, if the other cleric is lower lvled (in most cases they are) I usually try to get them to act as if they were the only one (as it happened to me everytime I was the lower lvled one) to get more experience in instances.. I always keep an eye on HP bars tho and assist when needed ~ I've never let anyone die because I wasn't paying attention or attacking. It's not because I want to be a (so called) FAC, it's the way I learned to be a good cleric to a squad, it's the way I except them to learn as well. (If I were to be the main healer, the secondary one would have nothing to do anyway)

_Myrddin_ - Harshlands wrote: »

at sereneti lowbies and tabber STAY BACK for their sake, and sincerely, if they stay in aoe range and die its not the cleric problem.

I disagree. It's their FB why should they stand there and watch higher lvls do everything ? You can't spam a couple of heals on the tank then heal the others ? Ok if your tank is lvl 39-40 I can understand not wanting to stop healing him to heal the rest of the squad.. but really..

and If the tabber dies from no heals and doesnt get resed before the boss is dead ~ what good was bringing a cleric to the squad ? he couldve done that on his own b:chuckle

anyway that's just my opinion

pand0ra wrote: »

I disagree. It's their FB why should they stand there and watch higher lvls do everything ? You can't spam a couple of heals on the tank then heal the others ? Ok if your tank is lvl 39-40 I can understand not wanting to stop healing him to heal the rest of the squad.. but really..

and If the tabber dies from no heals and doesnt get resed before the boss is dead ~ what good was bringing a cleric to the squad ? he couldve done that on his own b:chuckle

anyway that's just my opinion

Because they need to heal the high lvl players who are dealing the damage. Higher levels take reduced damage, from better armor and level difference of mob and player. Low lvl FBers take high damage. That means designated healing on them. There is a reason early FB groups where all were at lvl generally ran with 2 healers each time. If the tabber wants to feel important, they should run with same level people. Then they will be.

lowbies wanna feel important in their fb?
not if i'm there.
if healing tabber tank dies they'll give fault to CLERIC.
i stayed back when i was lowbie and did what they told me, and never complained it.

pand0ra wrote: »

If a tank needs that much healing in such a low lvl instance, maybe he's not high lvl enough for the instance, he should stand back and let others do the job b:chuckle /sarcasm

From my understanding, lower lvled people want higher lvls in their squad to insure everything goes OK, not meaning "Do it all for me i'll just stand there and watch so I don't need healing."

But as I've said it's just MY opinion.

Even designated tanks at low levels require a designated healer who does nothing but spam IB on them. If there are lowbies around who want to deal damage too, each would need the resist values, designated healer, and health enough to survive. With one healer, you're not getting that. And with an all lowbie FB, everyone already expected only tank to get the healing. So how is it any different? Either way, those lowbies who died were clueless. Maybe they used it as a learning experience. And most they should expect would be possibly a mass heal every once in a while. Chances are they weren't grouped together enough for it to hit either. Bad playing doesn't **** things up in just one way.