Token of luck
Sharpaxe - Harshlands
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I was wondering, why do people buy tokens of luck?
I have a few hundred and I need advice what to do with them.
Trading them for chips is not profitable afaik. Because for example if I wanted to get calamity with chips that would be 59 chips+2-3 mil which would add up to more than 5 mil. As far as I can see the only thing worth trading in tokens for are flawless shards. Am i mistaking?
I am pretty sure no database was updated since they changed mysterious chips prices in TS.
Mysterious pages maybe?
I have a few hundred and I need advice what to do with them.
Trading them for chips is not profitable afaik. Because for example if I wanted to get calamity with chips that would be 59 chips+2-3 mil which would add up to more than 5 mil. As far as I can see the only thing worth trading in tokens for are flawless shards. Am i mistaking?
I am pretty sure no database was updated since they changed mysterious chips prices in TS.
Mysterious pages maybe?
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Sharpaxe - Harshlands wrote: »I was wondering, why do people buy tokens of luck?
I have a few hundred and I need advice what to do with them.
Trading them for chips is not profitable afaik. Because for example if I wanted to get calamity with chips that would be 59 chips+2-3 mil which would add up to more than 5 mil. As far as I can see the only thing worth trading in tokens for are flawless shards. Am i mistaking?
I am pretty sure no database was updated since they changed mysterious chips prices in TS.
Mysterious pages maybe?
because a month from now, those token will be worth 100k+ each.. and the price for the chips will sky rocket again. Only reason they are cheap now is because there are so many tokens around....Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
I managed to get the the gold mats needed for my HH80 legs for less than 1mil and my bow for less than 5mil (before event people were paying up to 2mil for the gold mats for the legs and 6mil for the gold mats for the bow.)The only way to win is to quit. b:bye0
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100k is probably a little high, i think the price for the tokens will be set by the most valuable item that can be crafted with the tokens. for instance, if it ends up being the wraith officers badge that sets the price, which sold for 250k each before the event and require 8 tokens to make, the value of the token would be 250k/8 or 31,250gc per token, assuming the cost of officer's badges goes back to what it was before the event. If the price is set by ultimate subs, 7 tokens makes 2 subs, each sub having a pre-event price of ~70k, the value of the tokens will be 140k(2 subs)/7 tokens, or 20k per token. It just depends on what item that can be made with the tokens sets the price.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I didn't think of the HH mats aspect.
So you're saying it's better to keep them until after the event and have as many as possible?0 -
*cough* Oracles *cough*0
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each sub having a pre-event price of ~70k
Who were you buying subs from???The only way to win is to quit. b:bye0 -
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Nukesrus - Harshlands wrote: »*cough* Oracles *cough*
well i heard that someone in my guild, like in a week he lved from 70 to like 89 just doing oracles so...idk b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »100k is probably a little high, i think the price for the tokens will be set by the most valuable item that can be crafted with the tokens. for instance, if it ends up being the wraith officers badge that sets the price, which sold for 250k each before the event and require 8 tokens to make, the value of the token would be 250k/8 or 31,250gc per token, assuming the cost of officer's badges goes back to what it was before the event. If the price is set by ultimate subs, 7 tokens makes 2 subs, each sub having a pre-event price of ~70k, the value of the tokens will be 140k(2 subs)/7 tokens, or 20k per token. It just depends on what item that can be made with the tokens sets the price.
I'm pretty confident the value of a token will be determined by the value of a flawless citrine or 25 cookies.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Flawless citrine shards. Works out at 180k apiece, prior to the event they were going at around 750-800k.
800k a shard and 14 tokens to buy one means you'll be looking at tokens reaching as high as 57k apiece.0 -
Krisnda - Lost City wrote: »well i heard that someone in my guild, like in a week he lved from 70 to like 89 just doing oracles so...idk b:chuckle
That's exactly what I've done, from lvl 50 to now b:dirty.
Let's see 5tokens = 30k exp, and from 50 to 85, how many exp? I lost count b:laughRank 8 Wizard: 1% farm b:shutup0 -
NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »That's exactly what I've done, from lvl 50 to now b:dirty.
Let's see 5tokens = 30k exp, and from 50 to 85, how many exp? I lost count b:laugh
So you spent hundreds dollars to get from lv 50 to 85. Wow[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »That's exactly what I've done, from lvl 50 to now b:dirty.
Let's see 5tokens = 30k exp, and from 50 to 85, how many exp? I lost count b:laugh
Dear God... That's so much cash.
I used oracle to catch up to my other char, my barb, and from 62-70 cost me around 40 gold + mil coins. Luckily, you can sell the best luck tokens for a ton of cash to help "grease the wheels" so to speak.
But 35 levels? O_o0 -
I'd tend to agree with you, except I suspect there will are a lot of people hopping on this particular bandwagon. It's probably going to take 4 months for their stock to dwindle and the price to reach that level._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Flawless citrine shards. Works out at 180k apiece, prior to the event they were going at around 750-800k.
800k a shard and 14 tokens to buy one means you'll be looking at tokens reaching as high as 57k apiece.
The question then, is what sales/events PWI may have in the meantime that might affect their price. For example, I know many people who were holding onto their Oracle I, II, III from Jolly Jones, waiting for prices to rise, only to have the current event drive Oracle prices right back down again.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd tend to agree with you, except I suspect there will are a lot of people hopping on this particular bandwagon. It's probably going to take 4 months for their stock to dwindle and the price to reach that level.
The question then, is what sales/events PWI may have in the meantime that might affect their price. For example, I know many people who were holding onto their Oracle I, II, III from Jolly Jones, waiting for prices to rise, only to have the current event drive Oracle prices right back down again.
Can't disagree with that. Though citrines are in fairly high demand at any time so might not take as long as 4 months. They practically reverted to normal within weeks of the JJ event. I'm thinking some of the less popular choices like cookies and yuanxio might prove a decent investment too.
Personally I wonder what price a citrine gem would turn out to be 4-6 months from now, assuming pwi didn't put any more on sale of course...0 -
The most efficient would have been Oracle IIs, bought using Tokens bought from other players for about 13k.Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »So you spent hundreds dollars to get from lv 50 to 85. Wow
You'd need about 63,250,000 XP, which is 4,217 Oracle IIs. Each Oracle II would have cost 23,100 coins.
Total cost = 97,412,700 coins.
Many people could have done this for free by using the profits from Jolly Jones. However, if you bought Zen and sold Gold at 400k instead, you'd have spent $250.
If you bought anniversary packs instead, then luck is a huge factor, plus you'd still need to figure out how to turn the funds you get from the Oracle IIs back into more Oracle IIs. Assuming worst-case-scenario (all normal Tokens), and assuming you use the profits from the Oracle IIs to buy more anniversary packs, the cost would be about $600. On average you're not going to have the worst luck, so the cost would be somewhere in the middle, so maybe $425.
Of course, these numbers assume Oracle IIs, which give the most efficient XP/cost/refund ratios. If you used something else then the cost would be higher.
My guess is that the average person who does this probably will spend around $500, based upon the assumption that people who are in that much of a hurry to spend money to level probably don't spend much time figuring out how to pay less.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »That's exactly what I've done, from lvl 50 to now b:dirty.
Let's see 5tokens = 30k exp, and from 50 to 85, how many exp? I lost count b:laugh
You sure paid a lot to not play the game.hai2u0 -
First off, oracle babies ruin the game. They freaking go from X to XX in no time flat and don't know how to play the game, thus the exponential increase in party wipes and idiots in the 70s, 80s and even low 90s. Not to mention you really just miss out on having fun, unless all you want is to obtain a high level so you can kill people (not my idea of fun).
Also Warrenwolfy, I did the math on all the oracles available from this event, and Oracle 8 is actually the most efficient of the oracles available, but you have to be level 75 to use them.
Back on topic, save your tokens for either selling after the event, or for getting the chips you'll want for your gold mats.I will not hesitate to beat you over the head with your own stupidity.
Yes I am a hypocrite.0 -
WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »The most efficient would have been Oracle IIs, bought using Tokens bought from other players for about 13k.
You'd need about 63,250,000 XP, which is 4,217 Oracle IIs. Each Oracle II would have cost 23,100 coins.
Total cost = 97,412,700 coins.
Many people could have done this for free by using the profits from Jolly Jones. However, if you bought Zen and sold Gold at 400k instead, you'd have spent $250.
If you bought anniversary packs instead, then luck is a huge factor, plus you'd still need to figure out how to turn the funds you get from the Oracle IIs back into more Oracle IIs. Assuming worst-case-scenario (all normal Tokens), and assuming you use the profits from the Oracle IIs to buy more anniversary packs, the cost would be about $600. On average you're not going to have the worst luck, so the cost would be somewhere in the middle, so maybe $425.
Of course, these numbers assume Oracle IIs, which give the most efficient XP/cost/refund ratios. If you used something else then the cost would be higher.
My guess is that the average person who does this probably will spend around $500, based upon the assumption that people who are in that much of a hurry to spend money to level probably don't spend much time figuring out how to pay less.
Actually, Oracle III is the most effective when trading Tokens. As 6 tokens = 2 OIII(18k XP), and 5 = 2 OII(15k XP), the XP granted is exactly equal for the amount of Tokens you trade. Since it takes less OIII's to gain the same amount of XP, then you cut your time Oracle grinding. Also, Oracle III's wolfkin spawns are much less crowded than the wicked pirate.
The only difference is in-game price. OIII's are slightly more than OII's.0 -
NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »That's exactly what I've done, from lvl 50 to now b:dirty.
Let's see 5tokens = 30k exp, and from 50 to 85, how many exp? I lost count b:laugh
i lol'ed at that..wonder whats the meaning of this game then...lvl asap within one week? then what...show off? :P Actually its nothing to be proud ofIf i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh0 -
ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »i lol'ed at that..wonder whats the meaning of this game then...lvl asap within one week? then what...show off? :P Actually its nothing to be proud of
To me, I didn't play it when it first came out, so this is a chance for me to catch up with other people, and besides I'd like to be able to do some damage in TW, can you do that at low level? You know the answer already.
Did I show off? I don't think so, I just told him how I invested my token of lucks, compares to other oracles, oracle 2s are the best bang for the bucks.
You can lol'd as much as you can, c'est la vie b:victoryRank 8 Wizard: 1% farm b:shutup0 -
NonameWiz - Sanctuary wrote: »To me, I didn't play it when it first came out, so this is a chance for me to catch up with other people, and besides I'd like to be able to do some damage in TW, can you do that at low level? You know the answer already.
Did I show off? I don't think so, I just told him how I invested my token of lucks, compares to other oracles, oracle 2s are the best bang for the bucks.
You can lol'd as much as you can, c'est la vie b:victory
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Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »I'm pretty confident the value of a token will be determined by the value of a flawless citrine or 25 cookies.
Before the event venison was selling for about 70k per piece, and that's 250 loyalty.
This works out to 280 coins per point of loyalty. (1)
The cookies sell for 25 for 9 tokens, and give 200 loyalty each.
This equates to 5000 loyalty for 9 tokens, or 556 loyalty per token. (2)
Combining (1) and (2) we get 155680 coins per token.
Whether or not this will actually have much effect tho is questionable. There isnt a huge demand for pet food, when you compare it to other items such as oracles, ultimate substances and chips, so the effect this will havee will be very limited.0 -
Foxx - Heavens Tear wrote: »Before the event venison was selling for about 70k per piece, and that's 250 loyalty.
This works out to 280 coins per point of loyalty. (1)
The cookies sell for 25 for 9 tokens, and give 200 loyalty each.
This equates to 5000 loyalty for 9 tokens, or 556 loyalty per token. (2)
Combining (1) and (2) we get 155680 coins per token.
Whether or not this will actually have much effect tho is questionable. There isnt a huge demand for pet food, when you compare it to other items such as oracles, ultimate substances and chips, so the effect this will havee will be very limited.
Price is of course determined by supply and demand and is not fixed at a value of 280 coins. The reason venison sells that high is that not that many mobs drop it. With the huge supply of cookies we should see the price of venison fall rather than the price of cookies rise until the supply of cookies has been depleted. This might take a long time and who knows what other sales would happen in the meanwhile.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I've used mine on making skill tomes. Once the event is over, I imagine the largest demand based on the quantities of things I've sold will be flawless shards, yuanxiao, and telecoustics. Shards being by far the fastest, and likely to have the most influence on price. Although, depending on gold it's possible tele's and yuanxiao will have a good impact.0
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Wow, that's why I only ask in the forums when all else fails.
Well at least one of you answered my question. Thank you SultryShade.0 -
Hmmm... yup, you're right. I stand corrected. I hadn't really thought about Oracle VIIIs, yet they are indeed better.SultryShade - Dreamweaver wrote: »Also Warrenwolfy, I did the math on all the oracles available from this event, and Oracle 8 is actually the most efficient of the oracles available, but you have to be level 75 to use them.
The difference that makes Oracle IIs, uh, wait, I mean Oracle VIIIs the most efficient choice is that they give a better coin refund. If you're paying 13k per Token, you end up getting .65 XP per coin using Oracle IIs, .62 XP per coin using Oracles IIIs, and .7 XP per coin using Oracle VIIIs.Nukesrus - Harshlands wrote: »Actually, Oracle III is the most effective when trading Tokens. As 6 tokens = 2 OIII(18k XP), and 5 = 2 OII(15k XP), the XP granted is exactly equal for the amount of Tokens you trade.
So if you're low to mid level, go with Oracle IIs, and if you're high level, go with Oracle VIIIs.
Sheesh. Sorry for answering your question by giving details about what, how, and why, people are using their Tokens the way they are. I didn't realize you asked the question just so you could get on a pedestal and criticize others for not giving you exactly the reply you envisioned.Sharpaxe - Harshlands wrote: »Wow, that's why I only ask in the forums when all else fails.
Well at least one of you answered my question. Thank you SultryShade.
But then again, I guess I shouldn't be too harsh on you. The fact that you turned to the forums as a last resort implies your perception skills are somewhat lacking. Perhaps the replies that clearly and accurately answered your question merely appeared as "a bunch of big-words and talky-stuff" to you instead.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Can we still use the tokens of luck to exchange for the items at the boutique agent after this is done? I don't see where they announced or said that this is possible.0
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ColdSnow - Dreamweaver wrote: »i lol'ed at that..wonder whats the meaning of this game then...lvl asap within one week? then what...show off? :P Actually its nothing to be proud of
But...then what's the point of crazy stone and training eso's? That's basically paying for easy exp in order to level fast too.
Personally I think some people are jealous that someone has enough money to level faster than they can. I mean, come on, grinding is dull and leveling is something a lot of players try to get done as fast as possible. Orcales happen to be a fast method of leveling, but suddenly using too many is bad?
Honest question to ppl, if you could do cs as many times as you want and you have the money spare, would you stop and leave it to once a day in order to be "playing the game properly"?
Just to note i've never used an eso or oracle in my life. I just don't have anything against ppl who do.0 -
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »But...then what's the point of crazy stone and training eso's? That's basically paying for easy exp in order to level fast too.
Personally I think some people are jealous that someone has enough money to level faster than they can. I mean, come on, grinding is dull and leveling is something a lot of players try to get done as fast as possible. Orcales happen to be a fast method of leveling, but suddenly using too many is bad?
Honest question to ppl, if you could do cs as many times as you want and you have the money spare, would you stop and leave it to once a day in order to be "playing the game properly"?
Just to note i've never used an eso or oracle in my life. I just don't have anything against ppl who do.
I did use myself an eso only one time. CS i do when i have time (guess a cleric-thing). I dont mind oracles at all but with limits. I just don't understand (and actually i don't even want to) why i would use them to lvl from lvl75 to lvl85 (within a week). You dont gain my respect like that, neither from other players. I rather have one in squad who knows what he does then knowing what he did miss due this oracles. b:chuckle and about jealousy...i have 47quest undone...i have no reason to get jealous b:victory i should do my quests now....really..*runs to help with yan*If i m trolling and spamming on forum...then i cant sleep and need a good laugh0
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