are BM useful

Holdenman - Heavens Tear
Holdenman - Heavens Tear Posts: 40 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Blademaster
hey guys i read in forums that bm are not need/useful i just want to get think stright. we are not that good doing damage archer and wizard better, not good at tanking really, bm are good at stunning. what do we realling do in the world ?


thz for reading
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  • Malei - Sanctuary
    Malei - Sanctuary Posts: 281 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I seriously wish I could grind like a BM...

    ..Seriously.
  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Holdenman - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    hey guys i read in forums that bm are not need/useful i just want to get think stright. we are not that good doing damage archer and wizard better, not good at tanking really, bm are good at stunning. what do we realling do in the world ?


    thz for reading
    hey man just because ur a failed Bm doesn't mean we all are
    We are good tanks(from experience)
    do heavy damage(it aint that hard to figure out)
    can kill any class just need to know how to play your character
    plus we kick assb:laugh
    but you sir are a failed Bm go play another character
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  • Holdenman - Heavens Tear
    Holdenman - Heavens Tear Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands wrote: »
    hey man just because ur a failed Bm doesn't mean we all are
    We are good tanks(from experience)
    do heavy damage(it aint that hard to figure out)
    can kill any class just need to know how to play your character
    plus we kick assb:laugh
    but you sir are a failed Bm go play another character

    he i did not say i was a bad bm this is just what i read in forums,
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    They kill stuff quick, which is nice.
    They can be a backup tank, which is nice.

    Half DD, half tank. Hybrids with stuns and aoe, mak very short work of wandering monsters. Not so vital for most bosses but very nice to have around.
  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Holdenman - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    he i did not say i was a bad bm this is just what i read in forums,
    you said were bad tanks not true, you said were bad at giving damage also not true.
    If anniversary pack threads keep getting made I'll keep trolling them until there isn't anymore!b:bye
  • Darkjagans - Heavens Tear
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    The reality is, we'll never be a great tanker like a barb and we'll never be able to deal the high consistent damage that Wizards and Archers can do.

    BMs mainly shine in solo AoE grinding and Rebirth runs.
    Our physical def buff can be very useful in most cases but we're really just a secondary tanker/DD to help kill off and stun the stray mobs in instances to protect the squishy classes.
    However if the squad is good and well experienced, a BM is easily replaceable by another class.
  • Holdenman - Heavens Tear
    Holdenman - Heavens Tear Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands wrote: »
    you said were bad tanks not true, you said were bad at giving damage also not true.

    now i know the truth just got me think what i seen in the forums.


    thz to all that helped
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Read this thread.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=426852
    Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.
  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Read this thread.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=426852
    lmao this is the thread he was talking about I think he already read it!b:laugh
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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    BMs suck. No one in their right mind will lvl a BM past fb 19. They are never wanted either. People are never begging experienced BM for Rebirth on worldchat, ever.
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  • Darkjagans - Heavens Tear
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    BMs suck. No one in their right mind will lvl a BM past fb 19. They are never wanted either. People are never begging experienced BM for Rebirth on worldchat, ever.
    I always see alot of people asking for experienced BMs for Rebirth on my server, not sure about yours.

    but... if you've got no Rebirth experience, then you're pretty screwed if you want to do Delta.
  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    BMs suck. No one in their right mind will lvl a BM past fb 19. They are never wanted either. People are never begging experienced BM for Rebirth on worldchat, ever.
    hey, hey your giving it away shhh
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  • vbarbie
    vbarbie Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    BM's suck just plain and simple , they are always ruining runs , taking agro off barbs just to get killed and cause trouble to the party , anoying the hell out of the clerics. . They are like the fly in the soup in a squad.
  • Darkjagans - Heavens Tear
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    vbarbie wrote: »
    BM's suck just plain and simple , they are always ruining runs , taking agro off barbs just to get killed and cause trouble to the party , anoying the hell out of the clerics. . They are like the fly in the soup in a squad.
    Troll.

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  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    vbarbie wrote: »
    BM's suck just plain and simple , they are always ruining runs , taking agro off barbs just to get killed and cause trouble to the party , anoying the hell out of the clerics. . They are like the fly in the soup in a squad.
    say it with your main or gtfo
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  • vbarbie
    vbarbie Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Troll.

    /10char


    If you have nothing better to post stfu and keep eating your pankakes , im just saying the truth bm's are always anoying as hell to have in a party I would rather venos than bms in my squad
  • vbarbie
    vbarbie Posts: 232 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands wrote: »
    say it with your main or gtfo

    This is my main u dumhole .. The fact that bm's suck hurts you so much that u wanna go cry to mama? lol live a rl DUde
  • Darkjagans - Heavens Tear
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    So you're saying that a BM can steal aggro faster than an Archer or Wizard? you kiddin me? what kind of fail squads/barbs have you been with?

    Our role as a secondary tanker is to mainly protect the clerics from stray mobs, that's annoying? just coz you've been in sucky squads, doesn't mean it's the BMs fault.
  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    vbarbie wrote: »
    BM's suck just plain and simple , they are always ruining runs , taking agro off barbs just to get killed and cause trouble to the party , anoying the hell out of the clerics. . They are like the fly in the soup in a squad.
    Right. I've prevented full party wipes many times 'cause I'm an offtank BM. Comes in handy in TT or unwined FBs when other people can't do their jobs correctly, or when **** happens for whatever other reason. If I have aggro I'll use marrows (depending... can be a double edge) sutra, TOP, pots, I'll let my charm tick so my party doesn't wipe. And unless I'm a main tank, I'll try my best NOT to take aggro from the tank... but it's hard when the tanks themselves aren't paying attention to WTF they're doing, something that happened on a lot of runs I've been in.
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  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    vbarbie wrote: »
    This is my main u dumhole .. The fact that bm's suck hurts you so much that u wanna go cry to mama? lol live a rl DUde
    lmao can you even spell right? you are clearly not smart and are jealous of Bm's because you get owned by them!b:laugh
    If anniversary pack threads keep getting made I'll keep trolling them until there isn't anymore!b:bye
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I always see alot of people asking for experienced BMs for Rebirth on my server, not sure about yours.

    but... if you've got no Rebirth experience, then you're pretty screwed if you want to do Delta.

    ... no comment... b:chuckle
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  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Holdenman - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    hey guys i read in forums that bm are not need/useful i just want to get think stright. we are not that good doing damage archer and wizard better, not good at tanking really, bm are good at stunning. what do we realling do in the world ?


    thz for reading

    All I can say is that u should play your char nd decide for yourself if it is useful or not, although I think every class is useful at sum point.
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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So you're saying that a BM can steal aggro faster than an Archer or Wizard? you kiddin me? what kind of fail squads/barbs have you been with?

    A BM with fists can steal aggro very easily. I've held aggro while Wizzies crit for 30K - 45K, yet a fist wielding lvl88 BM can steal boss aggro in a heartbeat if I'm not watching and spamming FR.
    Our role as a secondary tanker is to mainly protect the clerics from stray mobs, that's annoying? just coz you've been in sucky squads, doesn't mean it's the BMs fault.

    Agreed with ya there. I've been part of a (several) TT party wipe (and multiple close calls) ...we'd have lost the cleric if the BM hadn't stepped up.
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  • Starchief - Sanctuary
    Starchief - Sanctuary Posts: 606 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    i mean Bms are the best class for pvp, I can beat anyone my lvl or even a lil higher ez pz, the only obstacle is pure archers.... friggin pure archers are broken!
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  • Falls - Sanctuary
    Falls - Sanctuary Posts: 544 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Are BMs useful to other people in a squad? BMs are probably the 4th most useful class (Behind Veno, Cleric, Barb, in no order). They don't do as much damage as either Archers or Wizards, but since those are interchangeable classes in many squads, it hardly matters, and BMs offer a little more utility to a party in the way of stuns, and maybe tanking. Either way, if you are going to simply act as a DD in a given squad (Which as a BM, is most of the time), don't expect to be given priority.
  • Dustinmurphy - Harshlands
    Dustinmurphy - Harshlands Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Are BMs useful to other people in a squad? BMs are probably the 4th most useful class (Behind Veno, Cleric, Barb, in no order). They don't do as much damage as either Archers or Wizards, but since those are interchangeable classes in many squads, it hardly matters, and BMs offer a little more utility to a party in the way of stuns, and maybe tanking. Either way, if you are going to simply act as a DD in a given squad (Which as a BM, is most of the time), don't expect to be given priority.
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  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    They don't do as much damage as an archer/mage. They can't tank as well as a barb, they can't heal as well as a cleric (debatable) But they are still nice to have around. They are able to step up when something goes bad. I did a Rebirth gamma the other day. Double wave comes up, our tanks HP goes down....fast. My barrage cancelled because I lost the target. Thought we were dead but luckily our BM jumps in and manages to keep us alive somehow. So they are like most multi functional classes. They can do everything pretty well, they just can't do some things as well as classes that focus on one thing.
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  • SultryShade - Dreamweaver
    SultryShade - Dreamweaver Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    First OP don't believe everything you read, 90% of stuff posted on any game's forum that trashes an entire class is posted by a moron who can't play his own class, or a moron who had a bad experience with a moron who couldn't play his class. Personally I have met MAYBE 5 good barbs my level that I would trust 100% no matter what, the rest suck, doesn't mean the barb class fails, just means the players suck.

    BMs have many roles, here are a few.

    1) If the barb dies you step in and try to save the party.

    2) Control multiple mobs if the barb can't handle them all (I did this today in a 2-2, we didn't get astralwalker in a good place so I ended up holding three of the adds off while a fourth attacked the cleric and the rest of the party killed astral)

    3) Stun stun stun

    4) Heaven's Flame can cause insane damage spikes, it is any party's best friend imo.

    Also BMs, when used correctly are far from bad DDs. Fists are often the best thing for single target DDing, while axes are best for AoE DDing. With proper equips you will do some great damage.
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Starchief - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i mean Bms are the best class for pvp, I can beat anyone my lvl or even a lil higher ez pz, the only obstacle is pure archers.... friggin pure archers are broken!
    I'm curious, what about a heavy veno? Since my girlfriend got her Love: Up and Down, she can now wear lvl. 60 armour and wield her TT60 weapon. From what I've seen so far she can pretty much obliterate anybody 1-on-1 who's not 10 or so levels higher than her (I think she's up to lvl. 64 now?). And that's with her Qingfu.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Right. I've prevented full party wipes many times 'cause I'm an offtank BM. Comes in handy in TT or unwined FBs when other people can't do their jobs correctly, or when **** happens for whatever other reason. If I have aggro I'll use marrows (depending... can be a double edge) sutra, TOP, pots, I'll let my charm tick so my party doesn't wipe. And unless I'm a main tank, I'll try my best NOT to take aggro from the tank... but it's hard when the tanks themselves aren't paying attention to WTF they're doing, something that happened on a lot of runs I've been in.

    Quoted for truth...
    Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Are BMs useful to other people in a squad? BMs are probably the 4th most useful class (Behind Veno, Cleric, Barb, in no order).

    lol... there is always a spot in a squad for a BM or two. Venos, archers, clerics, oh they love my dragon and it's amp. The fact I know how to use my skills, that I've maxed them, and know when to amp... and I generally save the squishies.

    Ever do a 202020 with 3 BMs? I did one the other day, no cleric, done in 30 minutes. Try that with a veno leading, pulling one at a time. My 202020 in comparison, done with a full squad, veno leading took over 2 hours. lulz
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