Fox form

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And check out Reikara's guide. She is the expert on foxform. :P

shlomo2 wrote: »

magic weapons also do melee damage. non-magic weapons don't allow you to use skills.

red = not true

a veno will never be able to hit as hard in melee as a barb or bm but with your melee mastery leveled up you can do very good dmg in fox form with magic weapons (which are the ONLY weapons you can use in fox form).

Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »

BS tweakz. If axes are equiped all skills are darkened because the appropriate weapon is not equiped. It takes a magic weapon to shift into FF and in FF you can't change equips. In CF you can hotkey weapons to change them out fast.

They fixed that 3 patches ago. You can turn in foxform with bearhand.

Cenminator - Dreamweaver wrote: »

a veno will never be able to hit as hard in melee as a barb or bm but with your melee mastery leveled up you can do very good dmg in fox form with magic weapons (which are the ONLY weapons you can use in fox form).

Wanna test that? :P

Lol, wouldnt it be better to use any weapon (say one with 10 magic requirement) over barehand?

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lol, wouldnt it be better to use any weapon (say one with 10 magic requirement) over barehand?

Definitely! Damage will still suck and so will the heal, but it's better than walking in with nothing.

It all depends on how you build yourself. o.o

You can make a fox user only, who uses heavy armour for her level and a magic weapon at least 10-20 levels below her but it needs to be highly refined to keep her attack up to date, +6 and higher. You can build yourself a bit like a BM with this build, addind dex and magic just enough for armour/weapon requirements, and str and vit would be your main stats to keep pumping. It's also a good idea to find ornaments like belts, necks and helms that add on +str +dex +mag +vit for a little boost.

The more expensive alternative is a hybrid between a magic and fox user. This one is a little more difficult, it relies completly on the bonus stat points she gets from her ornaments because it's actually impossible to build her with just her base stats. She uses a heavy and arcane set for her armour which she can switch around to alternate the best possible magic and physical defense combination to suit her current needs. She also uses a magic weapon at her level. Her weapon needs refining aswell, her physical attack is lesser than the previous build and her magic attack will be lower than her arcane counterparts.

Cenminator - Dreamweaver wrote: »

even with all this and maxed out fox skills i could not out dmg a bm or barb

As I showed in another post, once you get high enough str, using your fox skills actually decreases your damage.

to solandri if you had same dps as your "archer friend" you should seriously help him out and tell him to quit.

I specifically said it's base DPS. Physical attack * weapon speed. Mine was the same as the archer at 75. But I have two very nice might rings, -0.05 attack interval vambraces which increases my attack speed to 1.33 atk/sec, and stat bonuses up the wazoo. My str at 75 was easily enough for a level 80 heavy veno (in fact at 79 I haven't allocated any stat points since 75 and I have enough str to wear TT80 gear). And I have a second sword (Sakyamuni's Light) with garnet (phys attack) shards on it.

Basically, if he just fired arrows without using skills, and I meleed, I did about the same damage as him. But obviously his skills blow away any damage I can do, even when sparked.

Cenminator - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ok apparently we aren't going to take into account skills or archer crits which is the lifeblood of an archers dps. without these an archer doesn't really do great dmg.

Please re-read my original post. You are arguing against something I never said, and as far as I know nobody else has said. (emphasis added):

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Depends how you define it. As a heavy veno, based on my phys attack, compared to similar-level barb/bm friend's, I do more base damage over time than they do. In fact my DPS is the same as an archer friend's.

Where we differ is skills and pet. They get substantial damage from their skills.

Cenminator - Dreamweaver wrote: »

as far as fox skills the only fox skills i use with any regularity is amp dmg, purge, and befuddling mist. amp dmg is obvious why, purge i use in pvp or on mobs/bosses that buff themselves and befuddling mist i use on everything so i get hit less often. if you are in fox and aren't using some skills you might as well switch back to humanoid form and walk around with axes just swinging away

I tested humanoid form with TT60 axes vs. fox form with TT60 magic sword. Due to the melee mastery bonus in fox form, you get better DPS from the sword.

As for skill use:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=3976582#post3976582

If you're >89 and have the Sage/Demon versions of the fox skills, then as I clearly stated in the above post, your results will differ. But I leave that as an exercise for you to calculate and demonstrate. Not to make general and unconditional assertions about all fox builds based on a single data point.

Fox Form dmg is still very effective for pure mag with the right equips.

No. You can only use a magic weapon to get into Fox Form. If you use a melee weapon the only skill that works is your Spark Eruptions. When you go into FF the only skills you can use are the FF ones. You can't use Caster ones while in FF.

Hummm, well, my foxform damage is in the low 300s. So the fact that I miss a lot doesn't really bother me.

But if you DO intend to bits whilst in foxform, then yeah, you'll want some accuracy.

My bad, i misunderstood in some place then, i thought that now you can become fox using a melee weapon ^^

My Veno do 1k of damage to the mobs in the lv70, i don't think that is bad, once i stolen the agro of a boss from a Warrior using sword (and died of course lol), he had nice equips if youre wondering if he was bad.

But thanks for the reply.

williamzeo wrote: »

My bad, i misunderstood in some place then, i thought that now you can become fox using a melee weapon ^^

My Veno do 1k of damage to the mobs in the lv70, i don't think that is bad, once i stolen the agro of a boss from a Warrior using sword (and died of course lol), he had nice equips if youre wondering if he was bad.

But thanks for the reply.

Gear doesn't imply skill. It's really hard for a veno to steal aggro from a barb, the only time that can happen really is on a ? boss with a pet using skills, and then it's your pet not you that's stealing aggro.

That sounds like it's the barb not you that's messing up.

If you want the barehand thing with more damage in fox form, and do not want to use a wand, you can use a high level claw or fist. It counts as barehand, so you can use all your skills in fox form, even go human and use ironwood, and it will do way more physical damage than a wand or no weapon at all.