best build? rofl
somerandomacc
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i've got to know 2 good veno builds:
arcane robe build: 2vit 1str 7mag every 2 lvls;
Pro's: you have enough STR to equip magic gear, enough vit to survive pretty well, and enough mag to nuke everything you want.
Con's: lesser survivability, HP, and pdef, 100% die against archers.
light armor build: 1dex 1str 3mag every lvl;
Pro's: good overall def, dodge, crit, and good against melee's.
half con and half pro: you can suck and rule in PvP with this build. it depends how good you are as a player. every class could pwn you and you can pwn every class as well.
Con: slightly lower Matk, MP and MP regen
i won't get into the heavy armor build cuz i heard its mainly for werefox tanking, but i know that tanking should be left for the barbs b:pleased
so what im confused here:
arcane robe: godly high damage and pretty god HP endgame, at the cost of lesser survivability and pdef, 100% die against archers and lower HP startgame.
light armor: great overall def, dodge, crit (i heard crit isnt godo for wizards, but i have no idea if its the same for venos.), and good against melee's, at the price of slightly lower Matk, MP, and MP regen.
so anyone can help me out here? =[
arcane robe build: 2vit 1str 7mag every 2 lvls;
Pro's: you have enough STR to equip magic gear, enough vit to survive pretty well, and enough mag to nuke everything you want.
Con's: lesser survivability, HP, and pdef, 100% die against archers.
light armor build: 1dex 1str 3mag every lvl;
Pro's: good overall def, dodge, crit, and good against melee's.
half con and half pro: you can suck and rule in PvP with this build. it depends how good you are as a player. every class could pwn you and you can pwn every class as well.
Con: slightly lower Matk, MP and MP regen
i won't get into the heavy armor build cuz i heard its mainly for werefox tanking, but i know that tanking should be left for the barbs b:pleased
so what im confused here:
arcane robe: godly high damage and pretty god HP endgame, at the cost of lesser survivability and pdef, 100% die against archers and lower HP startgame.
light armor: great overall def, dodge, crit (i heard crit isnt godo for wizards, but i have no idea if its the same for venos.), and good against melee's, at the price of slightly lower Matk, MP, and MP regen.
so anyone can help me out here? =[
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You seem to have pretty much summed it up, there.
You pays your money and you takes your choice. Early on, it really doesn't matter all that much, mobs will concentrate on your pet and you can get away with trash for armour.
Hyper-simplistic advice:
For PVP, light (or the monstrous heavy+arcane if you're rich and crazy like a werefox). For PVE, arcane.0 -
Heavy isn't for tanking wtf ._.
Every build tanks, considering they get the hercules pet and depending on the boss; no matter your build you'll find yourself tanking most of the time in dungeons as you'll be healing your hercules through the bosses (should you get one)
I wouldn't say arcane has goldy high damage, but compared to it's counterpart builds; yes it does. You may be straying far away from a heavy builf right now, but I just want to clear up where you said heavy is for tanking. I don't know where you read it, but it isn't. Even though they're capable of it, foxes don't really have any aggro skills or decent damage enough to hold aggro. They're built for pvp and they're usually switched between a heavy and arcane armour set for mix/matching magical and physical defenses.
If you go light, it's better if you do it for pvp. Dodge and accuracy don't have any affect on magic so you would better utilize your light build by also getting fox skills which is melee. You need to understand that your fox attack is based on physical attack, weapon's physical attack and str/dex.
Arcane can still do well in pvp, just dont expect to live long.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
i don't really get why you say i wont live long with arcane, cuz the pet is the tanker.... not me...
im basically playing in PvE servers, cuz i hate PK, and i wont consider going on TW's... i think
so it means i shud get arcane?
and yea, i DO know how to read guides b:chuckle0 -
yes thats what she meant if ur not planning to pvp,stay arcane.
pet gonna be tanking,u gonna have better element resistance and better healing pet then heavy venos
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somerandomacc wrote: »i don't really get why you say i wont live long with arcane, cuz the pet is the tanker.... not me...
im basically playing in PvE servers, cuz i hate PK, and i wont consider going on TW's... i think
so it means i shud get arcane?
and yea, i DO know how to read guides b:chuckle
You won't live long in PK... Players will Ignore the Pet and Kill the Pet Master... In PvE the AI will attack whatever can maintain Aggro...
So if you are like me and PvE only, then Pure Arcane is the way to go...Zetarana - Arcane Veno
Nephandus - Arcane Wizard
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well i guess that answers. 1str 9mag every 2 lvls or jsut str to min req of armor...
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Hahahaha, uhhh...sorry but unless you have a phoenix, LA builds for PVP SUXXXORZZZZZZZZZZ.
I am not even a full arcane build and I can still nuke (2-3 shot) an LA (even venos) within my level range. What does an LA veno have to show for themselves during PVP?....Absolutely nothing EXCEPT survivability due to their higher physical resistance. That's why they need the nix. The only time I get killed by other LA venos is not from the veno themselves, but from their nix. I am pretty sure 9 out of 10 times, none of them felt like throwing in a hit, not even an ironwood.
I am happy to say I am a vitality magic build with decent HP and decent magic. I may still be squishy as goo but I'm not going to give into the norm or standard of going LA for pvp blah blah blah. I can survive the last boss in GV Gamma...enough said.
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i didn't say i was gonna take a nix...
besides, i thought all the time herc takes all the way.
and i also saw sometimes nix veno VS herc veno fights... when most of them the herc veno pwned.
so ur still gonna suggest me ur build?0 -
I lol'd at the whole thread, good laughs.0
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yea cuz ur too obssesed with urself, that you can't find any obsession with others
P.S.: i actually heard LA sucks at some classes. Veno's are included there?0 -
somerandomacc wrote: »i didn't say i was gonna take a nix...
besides, i thought all the time herc takes all the way.
and i also saw sometimes nix veno VS herc veno fights... when most of them the herc veno pwned.
so ur still gonna suggest me ur build?
It is impossible in a Nix vs Herc Veno fight for the Veno with the Nix to lose, all things being equal UNLESS they are poor players. The damage difference is just too great. I have both a Nix and Herc the Herc is a Tank not a damage dealer. Just sic the Nix on the Veno with the Herc and it is dead.
Arcane Venos with Mag and Vit builds and the right HP armor are very powerful in PvP. Even against archers.
Anyways this thread is starting to smell like a TROLL.0 -
Viper_girl - Heavens Tear wrote: »It is impossible in a Nix vs Herc Veno fight for the Veno with the Nix to lose, all things being equal UNLESS they are poor players. The damage difference is just too great. I have both a Nix and Herc the Herc is a Tank not a damage dealer. Just sic the Nix on the Veno with the Herc and it is dead.
This is nothing but a troll thread....
The herc is the second biggest DPS pet in the game, becasue of that Herc isnt only "just a tank".....
As for builds for the veno, everyone has their own opinion. It doesnt matter what build you decide to use, what matters is that you learn to use every skill and use it to your advantage...
I am an arcane build veno that does not hide behind a nix or a pet for that matter... All that matters is that you learn to use your skills....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Sadpuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is nothing but a troll thread....
The herc is the second biggest DPS pet in the game, becasue of that Herc isnt only "just a tank".....
Perhaps your info is based on oversimplified rankings. SeeSolandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »That's probably a good way to come up with a "best at PvP' ranking. What's the maximum amount of PvP damage the pet can do in 10 seconds, factoring in Flesh Ream, Bash, and whatever other skills PvPers like to use (probably the elemental attacks work as well). In fact, a L90 scorp with 3336 atk can be loaded up with a bunch of attack skills, while a L90 phoenix with 4096 atk would only have Flesh Ream, maybe Flesh Ream + Bash.
Phoenix (1.0 attack/sec):
0 sec: Flesh Ream = 4096*2
1 sec: Pounce = 4096*0.25
1.8 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
2.6 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
3.4 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
4.2 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
5.0 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
5.8 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
6.6 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
7.4 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
8.2 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
9.0 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
9.8 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
Total = 20,480
x1.3 for Claw = 26,624
Bash Phoenix (1.0 attack/sec):
0 sec: Flesh Ream = 4096*2
1 sec: Bash = 4096*2*0.25
2 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
3 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
4 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
5 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
6 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
7 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
8 sec: normal = 4096*0.25
9 sec: Bash = 4096*2*0.25
Total = 19,456
x1.3 for Claw = 25,293
Scorp (0.6 attack/sec):
0 sec: Flesh Ream = 3336*2
1.67 sec: Bash = 3336*2*0.25
3.33 sec: Icicle = 3336*2*0.25
5.00 sec: Fireball = 3336*2*0.25
6.67 sec: normal = 3336*0.25
8.33 sec: normal = 3336*0.25
Total = 13,344
Bash Herc (0.8 attack/sec):
0 sec: Bash = 2672*2*0.25
1.25 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
2.50 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
3.75 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
5.00 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
6.25 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
7.50 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
8.75 sec: Bash = 2672*2*0.25
Total = 6,680
Pounce Herc (0.8 attack/sec):
0 sec: Pounce = 2672*0.25
1 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
2 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
3 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
4 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
5 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
6 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
7 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
8 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
9 sec: normal = 2672*0.25
Total = 6,680
Someone still needs to figure out the casting delay on pet skills if there is any (the above assumes there are none). And I'm pretty sure the skill is timed to coincide with the next attack after the cooldown expires. So with a 0.8 attack/sec pet the interval betwen Bashes is 8.75 sec, and with a 0.6 attack/sec pet the interval is 8.33 sec. Add the casting delay (if any) on top of that.
It's probably a bit too involved for a spreadsheet. You'd need to write a script which took the pet values from a database, and applied certain pet skills (assuming the legendary pets have 3 skills you don't want to get rid of) to come up with 10 seconds worth of PvP damage.
Taken from
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=260362
If this is anywhere near accurate, the Nix does over 4 times more potential damage than the Herc and the Scorpion does double the damage of the Herc and that isn't even including other high damage dealers like the Sawfly.
That being said, I do agree that skill has a lot to do with winning in PvP and since I like playing Arcane I don't see myself ever switching to LA or Heavy.
I post this not to get into a debate with you but to make sure other Venos don't get the wrong idea that the Herc is a powerful PvP pet.0 -
Over simplified? Look what you just quoted.... you arent even comparing the same skills (ie only quoted herc with bash and scorpion with flesh ream....) These skills have a cool down....
It is already established that the nix is the biggest DPS pet in the game....
The herc is the second. Notice I am saying "DPS"... I am not saying the herc is the second biggest one hitter.
The problem with the herc is that it is so expensive that no one wants to use it as a PvP pet, people want to use it as a tank, which is understandable.
if you look at the link that YOU posted, it does list the Herc as the biggest DPS pet on land... Look at what youre saying before you post please....
Additionally, the scorpion is maybe like a 2 hit pet in PvP 3 hit at most... If you want to take him in over a herc hey be my guest....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Light and heavy armours on other mage classes fail, the reason heavy and light dosen't fail on venomancers is because we have fox form, which allows us to use physical/melee attacks, so our str and dex aren't only just for armour.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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there is no veno build...only herc and nix..b:surrender0
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1. Herc, Scorpion, and Magmites for that matter - cant fly.
2. Even though the Nix and Sawfly are air pets, they can still attack land targets.
Nix/sawfly > Herc/Magmite/Scorpion for PvP
but....
3. Herc and Magmite can go in dungeons, Nix and sawfly can't
as for builds, I'm 3x my level in mag (base stats) like an LA veno would be, but I wear Arcane and stat the rest to Vit. Armor is sharded with garnets currently to make up for lost pdef. In fox form, I can survive the TT 1-2 boss with their physical AoE much better than a full arcane veno could.I'm a man0 -
somerandomacc wrote: »yea cuz ur too obssesed with urself, that you can't find any obsession with others
I LOL:ed at that.. Makes no sense though..
Anyhow.. 1) You can't always rely on pet always taking damage.. and don't forget about AoE mobs/bosses. Therefore I dont consider 1st 9 mag a good build. Vit is essential for arcane classes.
2nd). LA.... It's a personal preference but imho LA.. well.. sucks.. Also, 1v1 veno fight between LA and Arcane (assumed you have decent HP and not crappy 1str/9mag build) and no pets.. Arcane veno WILL win.*Semi retired*0 -
Kowlin is best land PvP pet. It's fast, comes with L4 Bleed, and it has two debuffs. Bash is L1 and primary skill. If you wanted it to be a land type of Nix, you could trade Bash or one of the debuffs for Pounce.
Some of the best PvP Venos on the HT server are Arcane Vit build. Not LA.0 -
well... i guess you guys pretty much summed it up there...
i did heard of a Vit+Mag build for arcane veno's that goes like this:
str: arcane armor min req.
dex: leave at 5.
vit: +4 ur level (i.e.: in lvl 70 ur vit is 74).
mag: all the rest points.
and i shall take herc if im gonan tank in dungeons (probably good for grinding)(so im gonna take this) or nix for uhhhh.... PvP i guess, though im still good with the build i wrote in this post...
i guess im gonna use it and also use to still pwn archers and see swearing pop up the screen b:laugh
so thats pretty much all the help i needed... cheers
oh and one last thing, veno's need vit, though mages not... although mages still go squishy a bit...
guess the movement debuffs of the mages take nearly the same effect as the veno's vit... alright
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Idk where you heard that VIT should be +4 your own lvl.. b:surprised That goes for LA build though I think (+4 str and +4 dex ur own lvl). Most venos cap their VIT at some point though.. Means they dont go adding vit til the end. Some cap it at 40.. Others vit-arcane venos at 60-100 VIT.*Semi retired*0
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oh... well i guess if i wanna find a better edge in grinding i need to put my VIT onto 40, though in order to not find myself squishy i shall do it to 60-100... okay that explains0
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50 VIT is minimum standard for a PvP build and also works good for PvE, but you'll want that 60-100 VIT later on though. =30
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why i'll want those 60-100 VIT points later on? well currently the min VIT req is 50 and i guess it fine too tho...0
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Well, there's some AOEs that you really can't avoid, and you need to have at least enough HP to survive until the heals land.
I'm personally doing 1 vit every other level (which will cap me out around 50 vit) and it seems to work pretty good.0 -
rofl so ill just do my build liek this...
str: arcane armor req.
dex: leave at 5
vit: add 1 point every lvl, until your base vit is 80 (just in case... i bet IceJazmin doesnt have only Vit upgrades but also HP upgrades, separate than VIT).
mag: all the rest points
this build will have high enuff str just to equip my arcane armor, high enough vit in order to resist nearly everything (i will reach 50 vit already around lvl 45 if so so it gets summed up pretty good)(as long as ur healed after it...) and high enough mag to nuke whatever i want.
thats just the perfect veno i can imagine =] cheers.
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Hmmm, I'm just going to say this - I'm Arcane with 70vit and all semi upgraded gears(+1 some and +2 others and 2 +3's) all sharded with defense and HP shards.
IT SUCKS!!
I either need to add more vit, refine my gears more or both lol, or obviously switch to LA, although with my pet Sawfly I **** any Arcane and most LA's. b:victory
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5k pdef, 8k mdef while wearing arcane.... only problem I have is only 4.2k HP... which, when I get to 90 and get new gear, I should be able to fix by refining everything to +3 at least. I have 79 Vita including bonus stats, 360 magic, enough strength to use weapon, and around 31 dex (yups... mistakes at starting character plus bonuses from gear)Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0
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IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »5k pdef, 8k mdef while wearing arcane.... only problem I have is only 4.2k HP... which, when I get to 90 and get new gear, I should be able to fix by refining everything to +3 at least. I have 79 Vita including bonus stats, 360 magic, enough strength to use weapon, and around 31 dex (yups... mistakes at starting character plus bonuses from gear)
I only got 3559 HP(like I said my gears are SEMI-refined), roughly 5600 magic resists and 1786 defense(3686 in fox form). I also said I only have 70 vit, including gears that is.
I am in-need of some refines and flawless HP/Defense shards(I like to have 6 - 8 shards defense and the rest HP).
I have no idea how you got so much defense/magic resists and HP.*************************************
Main Character: Nicolanis; 8x Venomancer - The Best No-Nix Robe User On Lost City(Not Much Competition There Though) b:victory
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well... if you can find a place named 'Valley of Reciprocity' and find in there a mob named 'God's Bestowal', you will find a treasure mob of flawless shards.
there are only 2 of these and they just have 100 hp with no def or att so shutup about if ur weak or not, you can kill it with no prob b:shutup
though i did consider it a treasure mob, dont carry too away, cuz the chance of dropping a flawless is 10% only... b:shutup0
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