tree of protection vs life drain? (genie skills)

Pchan - Dreamweaver
Pchan - Dreamweaver Posts: 134 Arc User
edited September 2009 in General Discussion
I am looking at these two skills because of the changes being made to ToP.

Anyone have any opinion or anyone who uses Life Drain do any good? What is the heal difference between Top and LD? b:puzzled

Thanks for reading b:thanks

edit: I also found Essence Penetration on the skill table. Does anyone recommend that skill in replacement for ToP?
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  • turtlewax
    turtlewax Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Heals for only 5%, lower stamina cost though. Not sure where to find Life Drain in it's effects.
  • Shealu - Heavens Tear
    Shealu - Heavens Tear Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I think LD work good but never tried it, just be aware that it can be used only underwater
  • Brael - Dreamweaver
    Brael - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,430 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    It used to be a 5% heal (at all levels) and triple damage in the water. Who knows how they changed it.
  • Pchan - Dreamweaver
    Pchan - Dreamweaver Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    turtlewax wrote: »
    Heals for only 5%, lower stamina cost though. Not sure where to find Life Drain in it's effects.
    LD is a lvl 6 skill in the water category. (the blue frame icon with a red image icon). 5% heals only? o.o that's not worth 6 points into water I suppose...


    Shealu - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think LD work good but never tried it, just be aware that it can be used only underwater

    It doesn't say it's an underwater only skill like aiding ripple of luck says (or I blame PW for not specifying it!)
  • Shealu - Heavens Tear
    Shealu - Heavens Tear Posts: 189 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Yup my bad sry didn t read carefully "does tripple dmg under water"b:surrender
  • turtlewax
    turtlewax Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Pchan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    LD is a lvl 6 skill in the water category.

    Mhh, I was rather not clear in what I meant. I didn't see the description mention anything that could be an effect for life draining, as in vampirism. It only mentions damage and healing.
  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    as per ecatomb:
    Life Drain Level 1
    Genie lvl 25
    Spirit 1.680
    Water 6

    Range 15 meters
    Energy 70
    Stamina 175
    Instant
    Cooldown 15 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Drains health from all targets within 15 meters.
    Causes 124.8 Water damage and heals you for 5% of your max HP.

    Strength: Every Genie Strength Point increases the damage by 1%.
    Dexterity: Every 20 Genie Dexterity points increase the healing by 1%.

    Causes triple damage to targets in the water.
    Life Drain Level 10
    Genie lvl 70
    Spirit 34.000 (121.620)
    Water 6

    Range 15 meters
    Energy 88
    Stamina 1066
    Instant
    Cooldown 15 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Drains health from all targets within 15 meters.
    Causes 1154.4 Water damage and heals you for 5% of your max HP.

    Strength: Every Genie Strength Point increases the damage by 1%.
    Dexterity: Every 20 Genie Dexterity points increase the healing by 1%.

    Causes triple damage to targets in the water.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    They lose life, you gain life - sounds like a drain to me.

    Some kind of weird drain that gets more damaging but less efficient as you level it up.

    Sounds like it's pretty good for tank though - 5% could be a big chunk of change.
    I'll be sticking with the new fixed number one though, that's much more useful for us lower HP people.

    Well, I will when I get some time together to sort out a new genie.
  • Alexeno - Sanctuary
    Alexeno - Sanctuary Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Pchan - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I am looking at these two skills because of the changes being made to ToP.

    Anyone have any opinion or anyone who uses Life Drain do any good? What is the heal difference between Top and LD?     b:puzzled

    Thanks for reading b:thanks

    edit: I also found Essence Penetration on the skill table. Does anyone recommend that skill in replacement for ToP?

    how would it be a replacement for ToP? there's no life gain involved:
    Essence Penetration Level 1
    Genie lvl 31
    Spirit 2.780
    Wood 3 - Water 4

    Energy 85
    Stamina 200
    Instant
    Cooldown 60 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Increases your Chi by 110 over fifteen seconds,
    then decreases your Chi by 210 over fifteen seconds.

    Dexterity: Every 2 Genie Dexterity points increases the Chi gained by 1.
    Dexterity: Every 2 Genie Dexterity point reduces the Chi lost by 1.
    Essence Penetration Level 10
    Genie lvl 76
    Spirit 59.000 (186.760)
    Wood 3 - Water 4

    Energy 94
    Stamina 200
    Instant
    Cooldown 60 seconds
    Requisite Class All

    Increases your Chi by 200 over fifteen seconds,
    then decreases your Chi by 300 over fifteen seconds.

    Dexterity: Every 2 Genie Dexterity points increases the Chi gained by 1.
    Dexterity: Every 2 Genie Dexterity point reduces the Chi lost by 1.

    EDIT: oh.. i see... they completely demolished the old skill... from patch notes:
    Essence Penetration - This skill has been completely redesigned and renamed "Second Wind." Now instantly heals you for a small amount. Requisite Affinity Wood 1/Earth 1/Water 1. Minimum level 10. Genie Strength points increase the potency of the heal by 2% per point.

    can anyone post up actual stats on this skill? preferably level 1 and level 10 stats (screenies would be great alternative to typing it out) thanks in advance, i need a new heal b:thanks
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "Hell hath no fury like Alexeno trying to prove his point" -Mizuoni
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    It's...
    170 at lvl1, 520 at lvl6 85 energy 200 stamina

    60s cooldown.

    And +2% heal for each point of strength. So it's now the only skill my genie can use, and I restatted it to strength entirely - a nearly 1k heal replaces ToP nicely, for me.
  • Zetarana - Heavens Tear
    Zetarana - Heavens Tear Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It's...
    170 at lvl1, 520 at lvl6 85 energy 200 stamina

    60s cooldown.

    And +2% heal for each point of strength. So it's now the only skill my genie can use, and I restatted it to strength entirely - a nearly 1k heal replaces ToP nicely, for me.

    It's?

    Are you referring to Essence Penetration/Second Wind?

    Sorry to Pick Nits here but I want to be sure... especially since your post went to a new page...

    THX
    Zetarana - Arcane Veno
    Nephandus - Arcane Wizard
    Faction: Nocturne
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Essence penetration, yes.

    Just tested, works FINE as a panic button for me. Possibly even better than ToP did, since it doesn't bump up max health it won't trigger a charm tick.

    It's a smaller heal, but it's instant. I never did get around to the 'boost your health and mana' trick, so I don't miss that.

    Works just fine for me.
  • melodux
    melodux Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I can't seem to learn Essence Penetration. The option is missing for my genie. I have all the affinity for it and necessary lvl req. help?
  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Pre-nerf, I had both Life drain and TOP on my genie to test which was better. I was looking for an emergency heal spell that I wouldn't really use that regularly. I liked TOP much better because with Life drain, I found that you had to have a mob targeted for it to work. Now when I'm healing someone and draw heal aggro or something goes wrong, switching targets wastes time, so I eventually just stuck with TOP.
  • Eleynie - Heavens Tear
    Eleynie - Heavens Tear Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    melodux wrote: »
    I can't seem to learn Essence Penetration. The option is missing for my genie. I have all the affinity for it and necessary lvl req. help?

    Essense Penetration is called Last Stand in the list when you put up the genie to learn skills.


    A level 8 Essence Penetration heals 660HP (it seems that every level increases the amount by 70, so I expect it to be 800HP at level 10). With 50 STR, you should be looking at a 1600HP instant heal. I would say it's not bad for a emergency heal, especially for squishy classes.

    But then, ToP would heal more at high levels when you have high max HP, especially when buffed.
  • StormHammy - Lost City
    StormHammy - Lost City Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Eleynie - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Essense Penetration is called Last Stand in the list when you put up the genie to learn skills.


    A level 8 Essence Penetration heals 660HP (it seems that every level increases the amount by 70, so I expect it to be 800HP at level 10). With 50 STR, you should be looking at a 1600HP instant heal. I would say it's not bad for a emergency heal, especially for squishy classes.

    But then, ToP would heal more at high levels when you have high max HP, especially when buffed.

    errr so for my wizard I should bring my zeal genie out of storage and get essnce penetration?
    ToP became near useless now since I have such low total hp...b:sad

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