cleric builds: light armor or arcane?

PsychoZyco - Lost City
PsychoZyco - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Cleric
hey guys i've been wondering what the best cleric build is. i've been toying around with full arcane (no points to vit or dex, 1 point to str every 2 or 3 lvls), but i've also been wondering about la builds and vit builds. what should i do? right now i've got a lvl 23 cleric with 5 vit, 16 str, 110 mag (with bonuses), and 5 dex. i know that higher mag is better for mag damage dealing and it also helps out other people by healing lots of hp but clerics use up soooo much mp -_-'
i also tend to die a lot cause i draw a lot of aggro from mobs. help me out?
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  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    PsychoZyco - Lost City wrote: »
    hey guys i've been wondering what the best cleric build is. i've been toying around with full arcane (no points to vit or dex, 1 point to str every 2 or 3 lvls), but i've also been wondering about la builds and vit builds. what should i do? right now i've got a lvl 23 cleric with 5 vit, 16 str, 110 mag (with bonuses), and 5 dex. i know that higher mag is better for mag damage dealing and it also helps out other people by healing lots of hp but clerics use up soooo much mp -_-'
    i also tend to die a lot cause i draw a lot of aggro from mobs. help me out?

    Well, +1 coz your arcane, i really think LA doesn't fit pretty well on a cleric, loosing dmg and magic res, not so nice, also, if you really don't feel comfortable with the vit you have, set yourself a base vit, like 50 or how much do you want to feel comfortable with.
    Mobs aggro, just heal yourself all the time if you can't heal self immediatly just pop an HP potions, you're only level 23, all classes are starting to glow latetly on their 70's.
  • PsychoZyco - Lost City
    PsychoZyco - Lost City Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    thanks that really helps, i've got a lvl 45 veno and she's a light armor build. so about 50 vit would be good for a cleric? that works. it sure keeps me alive more than no vit
  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    PsychoZyco - Lost City wrote: »
    thanks that really helps, i've got a lvl 45 veno and she's a light armor build. so about 50 vit would be good for a cleric? that works. it sure keeps me alive more than no vit

    50 vit as a base vit , yeah it's good for a cleric, later on, you can get more HP from refining gear and shards .
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Desire you should meet some kick **** LA clerics, you would see that LA can fit for a cleric perfectly ^_~
    b:dirty
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    PsychoZyco - Lost City wrote: »
    hey guys i've been wondering what the best cleric build is. i've been toying around with full arcane (no points to vit or dex, 1 point to str every 2 or 3 lvls), but i've also been wondering about la builds and vit builds. what should i do? right now i've got a lvl 23 cleric with 5 vit, 16 str, 110 mag (with bonuses), and 5 dex. i know that higher mag is better for mag damage dealing and it also helps out other people by healing lots of hp but clerics use up soooo much mp -_-'
    i also tend to die a lot cause i draw a lot of aggro from mobs. help me out?
    IMO if you ever plan on doing TT there's only two options -- LA or vit arcane, and full mag (no vit) isn't really an option. Aim for 2500+ HP in your 60s. I'm not sure how much dmg 1-2 Soulbanisher will do on LA, but I'm sure a good amount less due to pdef and his aoe being phys based. He would eat a full mag (i.e. no vit) arcane for breakfast and what good is a cleric when they're dead?

    Still, though, you may need some points into vit even on an LA build, which ultimately means your mag gets crapped on, i.e. less MP, weaker IH, weaker BB, weaker cleric support and damage-wise.

    Personally, I'd say stay with arcane and put more into vit.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Everyone cracks me up....so touchy!

    Now, I am not all that but I think I survive very well.

    I did Soul fine with NO vit b:victory.

    I did not add any Vit until my early 7x and even now, I have a straight base of 50 (which I will be restating into magic b:dirty)

    I know Clerics with no Vit to over 100+ Vit. It is all in what you want to do.

    I personally die VERY rarely and it is generally a fluke if I do, but imo: LA = flawed. Yes, there may be some benefit to it in the pdef and the crits, BUT your damage is gimped. You have to relie on those crits WAY too much.

    Besides, either way you can use hp/pdef shards. Protection ornaments for the added pdef. And also, arcane armor refines with +HP.

    Anyways...I went 9mag, 1 Str (every 2 levels) until I began to add Vit until hit Base of 50. And I stopped adding Str once I hit 59.
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  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Desire you should meet some kick **** LA clerics, you would see that LA can fit for a cleric perfectly ^_~

    Why would i risk myself points for crit and LA gear instead on working on my ressists, magic dmg, and heals since i'm a cleric ?
  • bigxbear
    bigxbear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    str-1, mag- 7, vit-2:
    it has average hp, average base dmg, average healing, good survivability when sharded right. also u can stop adding vit when u feel comfortable w/ ur hp(i stopped at 80, i like the hp pool =P)
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  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Desire - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Why would i risk myself points for crit and LA gear instead on working on my ressists, magic dmg, and heals since i'm a cleric ?

    I will maintain that LA is very nice from levels 60-89.

    Resists- until 90+ it's not worth the money for arcanes to refine/shard to equal a LA's physical def. And nobody is LA after 90 anyways, so this pdef comes in handy. The Mdef is not an issue. You can carry an arcane armour set for grinding if it is really bothersome but I found there wasn't too much of a difference.

    Magic dmg- not the most important IN SQUADS. Also it's no different from full vit builds. Your heals will be less but I've never met a LA cleric who has had a problem keeping the party healed. Grinding is still not that hard [if it's difficult for anyone at this stage of the game you have an issue].

    Now in squads:
    I'm curious as to what level the full mag/non-full vit builds got their TTs done. Just my experience, but a LOT of clerics I went with died to the AOEs in 1-2 and 1-3. I started doing 1-3 runs at level 75 and survived just fine. I tended to have an average amount of hp for my level--some people had higher, some lower. But I was a lot harder to kill in those physical AOEs. Even in fbs like 39, 51, and 69 the extra pdef came in handy.

    I wanted a build that could do well in squads, since I see squad play as one of the most fun aspects of the game. It's my job NOT to die. DDs are supposed to be the ones who live and die by matk. Clerics are support characters--yes, some want to DD and kick butt and prove themselves--but there are builds like LA and full vit that may not be as flashy offensively, but trump all others defensively. And a dead cleric= dead party. You HAVE to be able to take a few hits.

    So it depends on your mentality. But LA does shine at certain levels [and in pvp].
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    bigxbear wrote: »
    str-1, mag- 7, vit-2:
    it has average hp, average base dmg, average healing, good survivability when sharded right. also u can stop adding vit when u feel comfortable w/ ur hp(i stopped at 80, i like the hp pool =P)
    Yup. And I have to laugh at the suggestion a 5 vit arcane cleric can survive SB's AOE at the lvl they get their 1-2 quest. Few scenarios where that's possible, and none without spending a lot in citrines unnecessarily, which I'd never recommend to anyone.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Desire - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    50 vit as a base vit , yeah it's good for a cleric, later on, you can get more HP from refining gear and shards .
    Desire - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Why would i risk myself points for crit and LA gear instead on working on my ressists, magic dmg, and heals since i'm a cleric ?

    Unless you are full mag, the dmg from LA isnt that gimped, i yet have to see less dmg from LA do bad in PvP.
    I never seen a LA 1 shoted by an AoE, as i seen many full mag. (including my self).
    So there are many perks being an LA, there are many downfalls. <--- this goes for arcane also. Thats why you cant say LA/arcane is the best. If you cant see that you fail, and this coming from arcane user ^__~
    b:dirty
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now in squads:
    I'm curious as to what level the full mag/non-full vit builds got their TTs done. Just my experience, but a LOT of clerics I went with died to the AOEs in 1-2 and 1-3. I started doing 1-3 runs at level 75 and survived just fine. I tended to have an average amount of hp for my level--some people had higher, some lower. But I was a lot harder to kill in those physical AOEs. Even in fbs like 39, 51, and 69 the extra pdef came in handy.

    I was doing HH60 in mid 5x.

    HH70 in low-mid 6x.

    HH80 in mid 7x.

    I did not start adding vit till late 6x early 7x.

    Even did Belial (Ancient Evil) in mid 8x.

    And I never had issues with my fb's.
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    For full magic clerics, its good to have about 3k hp unbuffed for rebirth gamma though. Just so you dont get 1 hit KO'd by the last boss.
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  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Unless you are full mag, the dmg from LA isnt that gimped, i yet have to see less dmg from LA do bad in PvP.
    I never seen a LA 1 shoted by an AoE, as i seen many full mag. (including my self).
    So there are many perks being an LA, there are many downfalls. <--- this goes for arcane also. Thats why you cant say LA/arcane is the best. If you cant see that you fail, and this coming from arcane user ^__~

    Of course you don't see so many clerics 1 shoted as full mag, full mag = low HP, even with that, i find usless dex for clerics.
  • Desire - Dreamweaver
    Desire - Dreamweaver Posts: 269 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For full magic clerics, its good to have about 3k hp unbuffed for rebirth gamma though. Just so you dont get 1 hit KO'd by the last boss.

    I got 1 hit KO'd by last boss in RB gamma, with 4,5k HP buffed b:surrender
  • Wtfxxxshot - Harshlands
    Wtfxxxshot - Harshlands Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    it seems that every1 is bashing La b:laugh anyway first of all la get more hp then arcane if u are rich DONT EVEN ARGUE u want m def? just refine onumints and the phy def from la is heaps more then the arcane even with phy rest stuff. most lvl 90+ pkers are full vit builds which does SAME dmg as an La but LA crits heaps more, arcane is 1 shot by a barb and if a bm crits and zerk they will eat dust... nix will **** arcane in 2-3 bleed ticks? ok thats all i got ^^ dont flame me for giving my openion b:bye

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