Pure fist BM

Decadence - Harshlands · September 2009

Wheres the Fist BM guides...

Seems everyone wants to use axes lol.

Anyways, I'm getting a little bored with my Wizard so i decided to make a fist BM.

Anyone know whats good for stats? So far i went 2 str, 2 dex, 1 vit per level. (Level10 lol)

Is this good or... do i /fail? I'd like to know til i get too high..

also what skills should be maxed? I know nothing of BM's lol.

Thanks for any help (if any) in case i don't post again.

Kniraven - Lost City · September 2009

Decadence - Harshlands wrote: »

Wheres the Fist BM guides...

Seems everyone wants to use axes lol.

Anyways, I'm getting a little bored with my Wizard so i decided to make a fist BM.

Anyone know whats good for stats? So far i went 2 str, 2 dex, 1 vit per level. (Level10 lol)

Is this good or... do i /fail? I'd like to know til i get too high..

also what skills should be maxed? I know nothing of BM's lol.

Thanks for any help (if any) in case i don't post again.

Keep your dex high, might want to go 2 vit, 3str, 5dex per 2 levels. b:lipcurl
Get a good genie, one that makes your evasion even higher or gives you more survivability. Heavy Armor ofcourse. ALWAYS max Sutra, Cloudsprint, Golden Aura, Roar, Aelion Blade.

bigxbear · September 2009

points per 2 lvls:
str- 5
dex- 4
vit- 1

it's enough str to wear heavy armor, enough dex to use fists, and some vit. u can also use swords and polearms w/ this build.

SultryShade - Dreamweaver · September 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

points per 2 lvls:
str- 5
dex- 4
vit- 1

it's enough str to wear heavy armor, enough dex to use fists, and some vit. u can also use swords and polearms w/ this build.

This. I would highly suggest though that you get your dex to the req for dark flash or Buddah TT80s, and str to calamity axes req, because eventually you will want axes for the aoeing, and fists for 1v1. This of course is just my opinion. Honestly though I don't know what would be best on a pvp server.

shlomo2 · September 2009

BMs are very squishy at such low level with or without vit. make her pure strength+dexterity with no vitality if you're going to play with charms.

White_Puma - Lost City · September 2009

Fist aren't the best weapon choice until at least 60+. Until then, any other legendary or 3* weapon will easily beat out fist. I tried to go to fist at lvl 34, used Sting of Thorns, and Handaxes of Demonic Roar, easily beat them out.

AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear · September 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

points per 2 lvls:
str- 5
dex- 4
vit- 1

it's enough str to wear heavy armor, enough dex to use fists, and some vit. u can also use swords and polearms w/ this build.

This is the stat distribution you want to use. This also allows you to have spear as your secondary weapon to make up for what fists lack. (aoe's)

Its really easy on the SP to use this weapon combo. Fists power is there DPS so you won't be spamming skills. The only thing you need to make sure you have is:

A.) Maxed fist mastery for you level
B.) Shadowless kick to cancel magic mobs opening attack.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Pure fist BM build is 1.5 STR, 2 DEX, and 1.5 free points (added in either DEX or VIT) every LVL which means your wearing light armor, you won't be having any damage + your a light armor user. With pure fist skills / mastery. You cannot be pure fist built, nor pure sword build. If you want to use sword or fist, you will have to be a hybrid build regardless. Only pure build is pure axe (3 STR / 0.5 DEX) and pure spear (2.5 STR / 1 DEX) and have rest VIT. You will most likely be able to use latest spears regardless the recommended build

bigxbear · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Pure fist BM build is 1.5 STR, 2 DEX, and 1.5 free points (added in either DEX or VIT) every LVL which means your wearing light armor, you won't be having any damage + your a light armor user. With pure fist skills / mastery. You cannot be pure fist built, nor pure sword build. If you want to use sword or fist, you will have to be a hybrid build regardless. Only pure build is pure axe (3 STR / 0.5 DEX) and pure spear (2.5 STR / 1 DEX) and have rest VIT. You will most likely be able to use latest spears regardless the recommended build

lol, there is no "PURE" build for bms because they have no distinct weapon. like archers use ranged only, wz/cleric/veno use magic only, bards use axe/hammer only. bm's r ment to use all physical dmg weapons; axe/hammer, polearms, blades, fists, and yes ranged weapons, it's wat makes them so versitile.

and i dono how many time's its been said before, but a bm is a melee ranged fighter, meaning they do and mostly take, physical dmg. and heavy armor gives the most physical deff. thuse making HA better then LA. LA just makes a bm weaker then it should. yes it increases mdeff, but we have a skill for dealing w/ mag dmg, and if used right, it can turn HA into LA when needed.

shlomo2 · September 2009

well... I used to wear both Light and Heavy. There ARE some uses for Light but my advice to any begineer is to go Heavy.

bigxbear · September 2009

shlomo2 wrote: »

well... I used to wear both Light and Heavy. There ARE some uses for Light but my advice to any begineer is to go Heavy.

true, but im talking about those that go LA ONLY

meshikiari · September 2009

I've yet to actually find any useful help for a Fist BM...
I've found a KILLER guide for a Wizard... And I wanna find a BM guide like that.. I have yet to find one. It's ridiculous.. >_<
Can we get a Fist/Claw BM to make a guide like this guy did with wizard?
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=95192
Something along those lines ya?b:angryb:surrender

Yulk - Heavens Tear · September 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

lol, there is no "PURE" build for bms because they have no distinct weapon. like archers use ranged only, wz/cleric/veno use magic only, bards use axe/hammer only. bm's r ment to use all physical dmg weapons; axe/hammer, polearms, blades, fists, and yes ranged weapons, it's wat makes them so versitile.

and i dono how many time's its been said before, but a bm is a melee ranged fighter, meaning they do and mostly take, physical dmg. and heavy armor gives the most physical deff. thuse making HA better then LA. LA just makes a bm weaker then it should. yes it increases mdeff, but we have a skill for dealing w/ mag dmg, and if used right, it can turn HA into LA when needed.

Yes there is, just set the stats and level all the skills... Also you must be backwards... since when does fighters specialize in bow, crossbow or slingshot? Why would a melee class wear something that he would do nothing but auto attack with it?

bigxbear · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes there is, just set the stats and level all the skills... Also you must be backwards... since when does fighters specialize in bow, crossbow or slingshot? Why would a melee class wear something that he would do nothing but auto attack with it?

so ur saying u'd rather be useless and stand there doing nothing but cheerleading when u can't survive a boss's aoe? wat about pulling a mob from a certian area so u don't have to fight extra mobs. ask any experiecned bm, and they will tell u there r uses for carrying a low lvl bow.

also, seeing as ur a fist bm, don't fist use auto attack as the main dmg? or do u spam skills constantly, waisting mp doin less dmg, then u could be doing?

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Decadence - Harshlands wrote: »

Wheres the Fist BM guides...

Seems everyone wants to use axes lol.

That's because fist BMs are ****ing jokes. Deal 0 damage even when they crit, don't have Heaven's Flames, and for sure aren't useful at all in rebirth...

lol fist bms b:chuckle

Yulk - Heavens Tear · September 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

so ur saying u'd rather be useless and stand there doing nothing but cheerleading when u can't survive a boss's aoe? wat about pulling a mob from a certian area so u don't have to fight extra mobs. ask any experiecned bm, and they will tell u there r uses for carrying a low lvl bow.

also, seeing as ur a fist bm, don't fist use auto attack as the main dmg? or do u spam skills constantly, waisting mp doin less dmg, then u could be doing?

Glad to make an arguement (not flames if you ask me xD)

I never fought a boss with AOE on a BM yet ^^, so can't say
I use drake's bash to pull, not a ranged weaon... On top of that there is a genie, so I use common sense... I use genie to lure as well... Not just for her to look cute
There is such thing as genies, why waste coins on luring a mob or two?
Ok, to tell you the truth, I am a BM, not fist BM. I have enough STR and DEX on spears, swords and fists, So the way I attack depends, whether I am low MP powders / potions I use fists, and just draw blood and sometimes I use skills, not just auto attack alone... I use swords for quickness of 1 on 1, spear for liner AOE when I have MP powders / potions

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's because fist BMs are ****ing jokes. Deal 0 damage even when they crit, don't have Heaven's Flames, and for sure aren't useful at all in rebirth...

lol fist bms b:chuckle

You haven't even bother trying, thats coming from a wizard.. unless you use fists as a wiz? b:shocked

bigxbear · September 2009

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's because fist BMs are ****ing jokes. Deal 0 damage even when they crit, don't have Heaven's Flames, and for sure aren't useful at all in rebirth...

lol fist bms b:chuckle

nub^

so i take it ur one of those wiz's that only use water skills, since ur refering to bms only using a fraction of their skills, u must do the same.

bigxbear · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Glad to make an arguement (not flames if you ask me xD)

I never fought a boss with AOE on a BM yet ^^, so can't say
I use drake's bash to pull, not a ranged weaon... On top of that there is a genie, so I use common sense... I use genie to lure as well... Not just for her to look cute
There is such thing as genies, why waste coins on luring a mob or two?
Ok, to tell you the truth, I am a BM, not fist BM. I have enough STR and DEX on spears, swords and fists, So the way I attack depends, whether I am low on potions I use fists, and just draw blood and sometimes I use skills, not just auto attack alone... I use swords for quickness of 1 on 1, spear for liner AOE

You haven't even bother trying, thats coming from a wizard.. unless you use fists as a wiz? b:shocked

drake's bash? u don't even have that skill yet so how can u use it? o.o not to mention its a melee ranged attack

genies- yes they can lure, but there was a time when there were no genies(SHOCKER!!) besides, i'd rather use it for more usefull skills like; balance, holy path, extreme poison, ToP(haven't tested the nerf yet though), WS, Tangling mire, Alpha Male, ect.

also, i'd advise u to break lvl 20 as everything is ALOT different as u lvl

Yulk - Heavens Tear · September 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

drake's bash? u don't even have that skill yet so how can u use it? o.o not to mention its a melee ranged attack

I meant ranged attack xD, haven't played on my BM for a while

genies- yes they can lure, but there was a time when there were no genies(SHOCKER!!) besides, i'd rather use it for more usefull skills like; balance, holy path, extreme poison, ToP(haven't tested the nerf yet though), WS, Tangling mire, Alpha Male, ect.

Genies should be back to normal >_<

also, i'd advise u to break lvl 20 as everything is ALOT different as u lvl
I am very well aware of that, but I can definately manage getting all skills for my build

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bigxbear · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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y am i arguing w/ someone that thinks they have all the experience they need at lvl 20??

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You haven't even bother trying, thats coming from a wizard.. unless you use fists as a wiz? b:shocked

Nope never tried. But as a wiz, I don't even bother kiting fist BMs because even if they get within range, they can't do more than tick my charm (and yah, that's just from TW experience, I don't duel or PK so yadayada).

shlomo2 · September 2009

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes there is, just set the stats and level all the skills... Also you must be backwards... since when does fighters specialize in bow, crossbow or slingshot? Why would a melee class wear something that he would do nothing but auto attack with it?

have you ever tried it? I did and I totally agree with bear.

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That's because fist BMs are ****ing jokes. Deal 0 damage even when they crit, don't have Heaven's Flames, and for sure aren't useful at all in rebirth...

lol fist bms b:chuckle

have you ever heard of cyclone heel or bolt of tyreseus?

QTKyuubi - Sanctuary · September 2009

This person has asked how to build a fist bm so lets save the flaming for the 50 other axe vs fist threads that's not what this thread is about.

Oh and before i go into it, do not go pure LA <.< your main armor as BM should always be HA. I do however keep full gear set of LA on hand for fighting annoying pure mag attk mobs or when the situation calls for it, but 95% of the time I'm wearing HA.
I also keep a mixture of mag/def res belts and necklace that I switch out as appropriate.

When stating I tend to keep up with my armor first and then top up my dex just before I switch to the next lvl weapon as the strength gives me more def/attk bonus and equipping ability, for heavy armor then the 10-15 dex would before I get the weapon that requires it.

Here's my advice for anyone looking at fists:
This isn't the be all end just my learnings so far.

QTKyuubi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I am a fist bm, on my other main, so i thought I would share what the advantage here is. As you say fist are definately great for PVE, my faction loves me b:cute; Attack strength is lower but DPS is highest out of all weapons. Fist BM's are all about fast attack rate, endless sparks. and crit, crit, crit.

Regular autoattack, fists hit .5 time more per second then axe/bm so to compare damage you would times fist attack by 1.5, ontop of that you get what will be your main fist AOE cyclone heal ( which increase your attack rate further.

Bosses
Usually I do Double spark eruption, cyclone heel, auto attack, (now you can either use your next spark, or one more cyclone heal auto attack to get a second spark, repeat, constantly, for TT bosses I like to couple this with an elemental damage powder the boss is weak too. Insane DPS, higher then the other BM weapons and I usually end up tanking most bosses if the other tank is another bm within 10 levels because of this b:chuckle

More DPS
Fist take the fullest advantage of element damage powders,imo, because of their high attk/s. But it's just as you said great for PVE. I don't play pvp but another fist bm has posted some really good information for those who want to know i will try to find the link tonight.

As mentioned, whirlwind cloud further increases dps by increasing attack rate.
In addition Fire drakes breath(? again will double check, not in game right now) Uses two sparks and adds fire damage to your attack

Demon spark eruption increases attack and attack rate + cyclone heel = pve beast? o.O

Stating and Leveling
Personaly, I started as polearm in early lvls because of it's range, and switched to fist around lvl 48-50 and never looked back. Once you get your first TT fists it's all on b:cool

Typical build for fist bm, is stat as per your equiptment and get your VIT to 50 early in the game as feasible. Stating is a bit of a juggle in the start, I did as equiptment required and hold on to some -15% req, and +DEX +STR equipt while upping my vit. I had my vit at 50 by lvl 50.

STR 3-2 - DEX 1-2 VIT Whatever you can spare.
After that add str and dex as required for your gear.
Fist/Axe is STR 3 DEX 2 VIT 0.

I am not a fists rule / some other weapon drool but I wanted to make sure the information is here for players who want to play fist and usually get told off with out help b:surrender

Bow
Off topic of fist, BM's can make very good use of carrying around a bow to pluck out mage mobs in some of trickier mag mob areas. You wouldn't use it as your regular weapon by anymeans but it is handy to have even if lvl1

Was in a bit of a hurry to write this so I'll refine later and add some more specific information about skills for you

Another note as fist you will probably find you don't use as many skills as the other weapon mastery trees. Mainly focussing on skills for increasing attack speed and spark to drill in the dmg. I've also noticed quite a lot of Fist/Axe players on the forums and fist are fairly popular amidst the archer population as secondary melee weapon.

Pure fist BM

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