Tree of Protection?

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

How are you getting a reduction in stamina use? It went from 200 to 600. The only way that could work out to less stamina is if the need to use it was cut in less than 1/3. Additionally, it used to take level 10 tree and 40 dex to get to an 80% heal, now it takes level 10 tree, 60 str, and 40 dex. Essentially adding 55 stat points to what's necessary, or if you would prefer, an additional 70 points spent... that's to get the same heal (at higher cost).

Here, play with the spreadsheet I made. I even added the calculations for the old tree so you can compare the heal amounts.

Sry....meant energy.

And I am playing Devils Advocate here.

People have to find something to complain about in everything. It is one skill that you DO NOT need to survive. There are plenty more ways to survive. And to moan and groan about this skill that may or may not have "saved" people is trivial in comparison to many other things. IF people think it is SOOOO nerfed, I suggest you find another way of "surviving."

At level 10 the "original" ToP: Summons a Tree of Protection.
Increases max HP by 60% for 5 seconds.
Restores 25% of your max HP every 3 seconds for 6 seconds.
Dexterity: Every 40 Genie Dexterity points increases the max HP duration by 1 second.

40 DEX only increase the max HP by 1sec -.-

Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Because it's now a 2% heal (per level) every second, which makes it much much less healing.

No more full heal frmo it, certainly no more full heal of health AND mana.

It never healed mana.....

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Sry....meant energy.

And I am playing Devils Advocate here.

People have to find something to complain about in everything. It is one skill that you DO NOT need to survive. There are plenty more ways to survive. And to moan and groan about this skill that may or may not have "saved" people is trivial in comparison to many other things. IF people think it is SOOOO nerfed, I suggest you find another way of "surviving."

I actually found a little bit of irony... In taking away my skill I used to survive, I had a hole to get another skill that I've been wanting. Alpha Male. Which puts me in MORE danger. b:victory And, yes. I put it on a Veno. Saved the bacon of the party I ran an FB39 with earlier today more times than I can count. Aggro grabbing skills.

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

I actually found a little bit of irony... In taking away my skill I used to survive, I had a hole to get another skill that I've been wanting. Alpha Male. Which puts me in MORE danger. b:victory And, yes. I put it on a Veno. Saved the bacon of the party I ran an FB39 with earlier today more times than I can count. Aggro grabbing skills.

Alpha Male is funny if you are not Barb. b:victory

DRI - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have one word for u RedsRose and its brownnose.

Really? And how is that?

I have spoken out on many things...but if you would like to call me that so be it.

And I corrected the spelling of my name.

And if you had read the ENTIRE post you can see that I am playing Devils Advocate. This is not a major QQ thing imo and I have made that known. LOL

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

People have to find something to complain about in everything. It is one skill that you DO NOT need to survive. There are plenty more ways to survive. And to moan and groan about this skill that may or may not have "saved" people is trivial in comparison to many other things. IF people think it is SOOOO nerfed, I suggest you find another way of "surviving."

It is not a NEED, but it helps fantastically in alot of areas. A few examples

- Was pretty much my only way to have a chance with a veno/nix.
- Great for tanking HH bosses when grabbing aggro out of a room while getting in range of cleric, or while cleric wasn't paying attention.
- When the 9x can only 2 hit you, ToP gave you the chance to escape in time
- When you grab too many mobs while grinding, ToP saves your life.
- ToP has a short duration but excellent turnout, so you could use when you were waiting for ur pots to cooldown.

It was pretty much a last resort lifesaver for me. I didn't grind with it, use pots for that, costs less than feeding stamina. But it is definitely useful in those life/death scenarios which are now more than likely death scenarios.

Idk how to say what i'm trying to say better, but pretty much, back to why make it worse, and make it harder to get.

Bruxie - Harshlands wrote: »

Bump!
Tree Of Protection has become completely useless and 3.5 times as expensive in stamina as before.
At level 31 (40 dex, 20 str genie) it heals 7% of max hp every 3 seconds for 6 seconds => 2 times => 14% heal for 700 stamina

Every 8 dex it adds 1%. So starting at 2% I would need 184 dex in my genie to have the previous effect of 25% heal every 3 seconds and this with 3.5 times as much required stamina.

Better remove the genies imo, because now they're only good to make more lag to the game

Level your genie up more and get a higher level of tree. It's nerfed but more so at lower levels, which makes sense to me really seeing as how there wasn't a big benefit (and in some ways worse) to have taken it past level 1 before. Play with the spreadsheet I made and you'll figure out what you need. I'm guessing you used to have tree 1 and 40 dex? That was a 57.5% heal, to get about that now you could do it with 60 str, 48 dex, and level 6 tree, that would be 57.6%.

I realize I'm in a very slim minority here, but I'm fine with the nerf.

Sure, ToP was hands-down my favourite Genie skill. I used it constantly and I absolutely loved it. When it came to picking Genie skills, ToP was a total no-brainer. And that's why I'm ok with the nerf.

ToP made an already easy game (PvE at least) even easier. Other than getting PKd once by the best Barb on the server, I haven't come close to dying ever since ToP came out. That's pretty OP for a skill that I kept at level 1.

No argument here that it was overpowered before (particularly at level 1). My issue with the nerf is that I think they added a bit too much to the stamina needed, and the stat requirements seem high. Adding 70 points to get the same heal as you used to get with max tree is a bit insane. I think it would have been MUCH better to be balanced around 45 str/dex rather than 60 str/40 dex. (45 str for +1 second, 3 str for +2% max hp, 9 dex for +1% heal). It's still a similar effect but the necessary points for a non str genie are significantly reduced. I also think they should have increased rather than decreased energy costs, but I'm guessing they were aiming for lowering the usefulness of vitality.

Regardless, why nerf the all class overpowered stuff and make exceptions. Nix is still GOD.

Because the venos pay the real money to get that nix and buy the GMs' cars

try last stand/essence penetration as a replacement for tree

"Think twice before you speak, and then you may be able to say something more insulting than if you spoke right out at once." - Evan Esar

love that quote redsrose b:pleased


ok i was going to say that after the mess up with top, they should offer a reset
but redsrose already said that she received one

When I went to the watcher of earth to see what I could do about the screwed up affinity, he had a quest, where he simply gave me reset items

b:victory

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

It never healed mana.....

Transfusion+tree?

What level tree?
1=31
2=36
3=41
4=46
5=51
6=56
7=61
8=66
9=71
10=76

On top of that, I notice you have 107 energy, how much does your level of tree take?

So my lv 43 genie that already knows ToP lv6 needs to be 53 to use it again (after I pull 3 water affinity points out of the ether) for an increased cost and a fraction of the usefulness?

Wow the devs totally read my mind....if they were trying to anger me. As I've said before the cost and the nerf don't bother me. The level retcon and the the affinity BS which breaks I'm guessing about 98% of everyone's genie from using Top in the first place is what makes me b:angry

They spent more time probably creating that Watcher of Earth band aid quest so that we would have something resembling a choice in the matter than they did with catching all those new bugs we have to live with for the next week or more.

Did anyone, ever, demand for these changes? Are they positive changes in any way? Does it make things more balanced?

Since everyone gets a free genie and has the exact same set of skill to choose from more or less, the genies were what made things more equal between players.

Since I'm a veno and I have things like Soul transfusion and the 2 recovery skills I didn't really use ToP unless I stole aggro from my pet and had a ton of fire/poison damage to survive. I will never buy a charm, at least until I've bought everything else I could need first. You can recharge a genie's stamina, but your charm just gets more and more useless each time you tick, and even then you can still die and you've wasted a tone of money.

Even after I relvled my genie it still wouldn't work because i think it was still put in as "the old tree" (the good tree b:laugh). I forgot it and realearned it. It now works, or at least does something. Wouldn't call it working

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

What level tree?
1=31
2=36
3=41
4=46
5=51
6=56
7=61
8=66
9=71
10=76

On top of that, I notice you have 107 energy, how much does your level of tree take?

Not true. My genie is lv71 and Tree stopped leveling at lv7 =/
Lv7 tree takes 100 energy btw so I doubt that's the problem.