TT100 mats from best tokens - GM response pls

Jiblet - Sanctuary · September 2009

Okay, so if I'm a BM after my TT100 weapon mat I need to trade in 10 Best tokens to get in......so how come if I'm an arcane player after the same thing I need 60 tokens????

I'd really like to know from a GM why this is the case - is it that you just hate our arcane players, or is there a genuine reason for this as it seems just a little bit wrong?

Bladecutter - Sanctuary · September 2009

They hate arcanes, and is their punishment for killing so many heavys..

lol seriously, i think arcane weps might be more powerfull than our melee weps

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · September 2009

Really if all three tt100 mats were in the AH the scepter would be the most expensive by far, followed by the heart, followed by the mask. Half the classes in the game are magic casters including the two most over-populated classes (veno and cleric). The TT90 zerk axes are also arguable better than the TT100 pole axe.

The 3 mats are priced pretty well according to their value.

BratFury - Heavens Tear · September 2009

I just love the OP's name. Thats gotta bring a smile to ur face.

Nasrath - Sanctuary · September 2009

second what Asterelle said, u mages hit hard enuf as it is and among all the tt100 weapons, arcane class gets 1 of the most powerful 1s. And considering what u said abt the tt100 red mat BMs / barbs need for the Ashura of Puragotory....not rly many ppl want it, its not that gr8, the tt90 zerk axes r far gr8r than that tt100 poleaxe, thus the mat for the poleaxe is cheaper imo...
b:surrender

Jiblet - Sanctuary · September 2009

More expensive I can understand....6 times more expensive though???

Lol, I'm at work so I haven't checked the drop rates of each of these mats, but is it a case that the arcane is a far far rarer drop, or are rates comparable?

yeah us wizzies hit hard, but then with base vit 5 we squish easy as well...still seems wrong to me though.

And brat, yeah Jiblets FTWb:laugh. Yb:laugh get a bonus point if you can guess where it's from, and no it's nothing to do with poultry:P

XKIAx - Heavens Tear · September 2009

This is what pwdatabase.com says about the drop rates for TT100 mats.

Twilight Scepter - 0.0056% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/15310

Golden Mask - 0.0067% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15309

Heart of Nature - 0.0042% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15311

It would appear that Heart of Nature has the lowest drop rate, however i cant vouch for which one of these bosses are the strongest or whatnot.

Jiblet - Sanctuary · September 2009

Thanks for that - it seems that if we took drop rate into account, with the mask costing 10 best, the scepter should only cost 12.

I've not ran a 99 yet but would appreciate any insight from those that have.

Also still waiting for a comment from the GM's, although I dont know what the likelyhood of a response is *crosses fingers*

Still seems wrong to me tho....

Jiblet - Sanctuary · September 2009

*pokes the GM's*

eatwithspoons · September 2009

I'll try to get you an answer, but right now I don't have one. This is really more of a game design question

TheDan - Sanctuary · September 2009

Calloused Lionheart Hatchets (TT90 Gold)

Dual Axes (0.83 attack/sec)
Close Range
Grade 11
Attack Range 3.5
Physical attack 582-1358

Physical Attack +77
Vitality +14~15
Berserker: Has a chance to inflict double damage
at the cost of losing 5%HP.

Ashura of Purgatory (TT100 Orange)

Poleaxe (0.91 attack/sec)
Close Range
Grade 13
Attack Range 3.5
Physical attack 565-1694

Physical Attack +84
Vitality +16~17
Critical Hit Rate +4%

For me, the TT100 would be better, why?

Higher base phys attack, Higher Grade(better in refinement), Higher Vitality, Faster attack rate per second, overall more DPS.

The only big difference in weapon choice is the crit 4% vs Berserk, which both result in double damage.

TBH the big gap in base physical damage, and attack rate should already count for more DPS, with no expense of HP loss lol.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · September 2009

Well the hatchets are capable of zerk - crits which are 4 times the damage of a normal hit which is why they are more popular for PVP. They have higher spike damage because of this.

SultryShade - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Honestly I don't care about the costs, but if I did the golden mask would stay at 10 bests because the weapons it makes are just terrible imo, and the twilight scepter would be brought down 10-20 bests, since the spear and mag sword made by it are about equally as good as the crossbow and fist.

Devoted - Lost City · September 2009

farming wise, heart of nature is easily the hardest b:surrender

david12345 · September 2009

I wanted to ask the same question the very day those items appeared at the pw boutique agent.

Why do casters get shafted so much in this regard? 60 tokens... thats 300m worth of best tokens. And a BM/Barb can and get one for a mere 50m (in fact, there is already at least one barb with lvl100 TT on sanc)... a sixth of the cost.

Game balance? So where exactly did game balance wander off to when they were deciding the best token values for the other items? Spurs of Alacrity and Galewind spurs costs 3 best tokens each (insane)... and according to the PW agent, a groom pack would cost you 65m (even more insane).

And even if the casters do benefit, ever so slightly, they have to pay 6 times more for this benefit? Unless you're willing to get your wallet out, its as impossible getting the twilight scepter as it was before.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · September 2009

300m does seem a little unrealistic tbh.

As for GX or TT100, 4% crit is about an added 1 in 25 chance at double damage. From experience Zerk seems to fire off around 1 in 5-6. As well as that you get the potental of Zerk-Crit, which is a quadruple damage. TT100 will never go beyond the double damage mark and will do so far less than GX. It seems more of a steady damage PvE weapon than a huge spike damage PvP weapon.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · September 2009

david12345 wrote: »

I wanted to ask the same question the very day those items appeared at the pw boutique agent.

Why do casters get shafted so much in this regard? 60 tokens... thats 300m worth of best tokens. And a BM/Barb can and get one for a mere 50m (in fact, there is already at least one barb with lvl100 TT on sanc)... a sixth of the cost.

Game balance? So where exactly did game balance wander off to when they were deciding the best token values for the other items? Spurs of Alacrity and Galewind spurs costs 3 best tokens each (insane)... and according to the PW agent, a groom pack would cost you 65m (even more insane).

And even if the casters do benefit, ever so slightly, they have to pay 6 times more for this benefit? Unless you're willing to get your wallet out, its as impossible getting the twilight scepter as it was before.

Since you are sanctuary you should know that someone has bought the twilight scepter with 60 best tokens. Clear proof that it is affordable!

In all honesty do you want hax weapons so widely available?

david12345 · September 2009

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Since you are sanctuary you should know that someone has bought the twilight scepter with 60 best tokens. Clear proof that it is affordable!

In all honesty do you want hax weapons so widely available?

Well yeah, and someone got rank 8 on HT.. doesn't make rank 8 affordable though.

As for everyone having it... hell its better if more have it then a few selected players who spend huge sums of real money on this game running around with it.

It shouldn't be easy to get. But it should be more affordable. 300m for that single mat (remember you need to spend a further 100m-200m on other mats, refine and shards) is just ridiculous for a normal, non gold seller player. And this is just 1 item...

Legerity - Sanctuary · September 2009

david12345 wrote: »

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Why do casters get shafted so much in this regard? 60 tokens... thats 300m worth of best tokens. And a BM/Barb can and get one for a mere 50m (in fact, there is already at least one barb with lvl100 TT on sanc)... a sixth of the cost.
...

I think the person you are talking about has thier name starting with T. As far as I know, if it's him, he had TT100 prior to the anniversary pack event. Kudos to him for his efforts.

Maciaveli - Lost City · September 2009

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I just love the OP's name. Thats gotta bring a smile to ur face.

lol

10 chars

Maciaveli - Lost City · September 2009

XKIAx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is what pwdatabase.com says about the drop rates for TT100 mats.

Twilight Scepter - 0.0056% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/items/15310

Golden Mask - 0.0067% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15309

Heart of Nature - 0.0042% drop rate.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/15311

It would appear that Heart of Nature has the lowest drop rate, however i cant vouch for which one of these bosses are the strongest or whatnot.

They aren't the real drop rates. It tells you the real drop rate % on a different page.

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary · September 2009

david12345 wrote: »

Well yeah, and someone got rank 8 on HT.. doesn't make rank 8 affordable though.

As for everyone having it... hell its better if more have it then a few selected players who spend huge sums of real money on this game running around with it.

It shouldn't be easy to get. But it should be more affordable. 300m for that single mat (remember you need to spend a further 100m-200m on other mats, refine and shards) is just ridiculous for a normal, non gold seller player. And this is just 1 item...

I gotta disagree here.

Would the game be better if the best you could get were TT80 weapons? Of course not. So the question is, where do you price the highest of the highest items?

I say price them where they are, so that only a very few elite players can get them. And frankly, I take the minority view that it's easier to generate in-game coin to get the items than it is to just buy them with cash.

david12345 · September 2009

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

I gotta disagree here.

Would the game be better if the best you could get were TT80 weapons? Of course not. So the question is, where do you price the highest of the highest items?

I say price them where they are, so that only a very few elite players can get them. And frankly, I take the minority view that it's easier to generate in-game coin to get the items than it is to just buy them with cash.

You want highest-echelon, super uber pro, 1-2 per server weapons?

There is warsoul and rank 8.

Those are the highest of the highest items, and should only reachable to those who really persue them, or in your words "elite players" (read: gold sellers).

TT100 is not in that category. Not by stats. Not by flare. Yet right now, for casters, they might aswell be if you consider how hard it is to get them for a normal player. Its not the same for non casters though, who have to pay significantly less to achieve these weapons, which is the original argument. I really wouldn't mind if it was a bit more, but 250m more?

Darksylph - Heavens Tear · September 2009

The rates of these rewards are determined from the game designers looking at the values these items seem to have been given by players on the chinese version.

For instance saphire flawless would/should be identical to garnet & citrine based on NPC creation & sale cost, but for some reason dont sell for as much, as the demand is lower. As such the Token costs reflect this.

The TT100 mats have their values determined in very much the same manner. Since so many of the players who would use the 10 Best Token TT100 mat, instead elect to keep the GX, the demand is particularly lower in the chinese version (and in the future here as well), and the mat sells for extremely lower then the 60 Best Token mat. The 60 Token mat is for Magic weapons, which 1/2 of the classes need, and as such has the highest demand and cost on the chinese servers.

The game balance didnt go out the window at this event, it went out LONG before that when the designers felt that 3 of 6 classes should all use the same type of weapon category.

david12345 · September 2009

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The rates of these rewards are determined from the game designers looking at the values these items seem to have been given by players on the chinese version.

So the chinese player base thinks the groom/bride packs should cost 65m each?

TigerLily - Lost City · September 2009

The lvl 100 orange mats are obviously priced according to how godly the weapon is lol.

Golden Mask makes a blade and a poleaxe, both are kinda mediocre, most BM would rather go for GX, zerk spear or try to get grade 13 zerk axe from past. So it makes sense that you only need 10 tokens, the weapons sucks.

Twilight scepter makes a weapon for casters thats almost as good as military rank 8, so it has to be the most costly, or it would be pretty unbalanced. If every wiz could get that weapon for only 10 tokens, we would all be pretty much **** b:cry.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

Jiblet - Sanctuary wrote: »

Okay, so if I'm a BM after my TT100 weapon mat I need to trade in 10 Best tokens to get in......so how come if I'm an arcane player after the same thing I need 60 tokens????

I'd really like to know from a GM why this is the case - is it that you just hate our arcane players, or is there a genuine reason for this as it seems just a little bit wrong?

Aside from the trading items, are you able to afford to buy the other mats and run the TTs for it is the big question. No use counting your chicks if you dont even have eggs.

david12345 · September 2009

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

The lvl 100 orange mats are obviously priced according to how godly the weapon is lol.

Golden Mask makes a blade and a poleaxe, both are kinda mediocre, most BM would rather go for GX, zerk spear or try to get grade 13 zerk axe from past. So it makes sense that you only need 10 tokens, the weapons sucks.

Twilight scepter makes a weapon for casters thats almost as good as military rank 8, so it has to be the most costly, or it would be pretty unbalanced. If every wiz could get that weapon for only 10 tokens, we would all be pretty much **** b:cry.

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/14914

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12647

The rank 8 does about 1800 more max damage when equiped then TT100. Hardly as good.

jochii · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Aside from the trading items, are you able to afford to buy the other mats and run the TTs for it is the big question. No use counting your chicks if you dont even have eggs.

Heh, I have about 1/3 of them alreadyb:laugh

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Aside from the trading items, are you able to afford to buy the other mats and run the TTs for it is the big question. No use counting your chicks if you dont even have eggs.

Get me an orange mat... and i'll have the 4 decomps ready by the end of the week. The decomps is extremely easy to get.

Arliana - Dreamweaver · September 2009

btw.... pole bms are affected badly too... they also need the scepter.

TT100 mats from best tokens - GM response pls

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