is it just me or are Pure Builds more expensive?
Aquilonian - Dreamweaver
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I made two for kicks. I gotta keep buying them good armour, shards, good weapons, pots and what not. Lv20-23 atm
The hybrids (including this guy) I have in rags. NPC stuff and I can make it just fine.
Does it get better as they get highter in level?
The hybrids (including this guy) I have in rags. NPC stuff and I can make it just fine.
Does it get better as they get highter in level?
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What you talkin' about Willis? o.OI like pie0
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i think he made a "fail build" barb first and is now trying out a wiz or cleric or something with a no vit build and wondering why he is so squishy, it must be the build b:chuckle0
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I have a pure mag veno at 42 I use for grinding money. I haven't had to buy a single piece of equipment or item yet, just use drops and quest rewards, and the only skill I have leveled above 1 is venom scarab. So pure builds certainly can be done cheaply lol.0
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Aquilonian - Dreamweaver wrote: »I made two for kicks. I gotta keep buying them good armour, shards, good weapons, pots and what not. Lv20-23 atm
The hybrids (including this guy) I have in rags. NPC stuff and I can make it just fine.
Does it get better as they get highter in level?
why would u want to do that? for one there is something called reset all scrolls.
for two, if u sacrifice vit for pure mag (lets say), and rely heavily on refined gears and + vit items, wouldnt it be cheaper to add some vit and get +mag items? i know for a fact that the +mag items are much cheaper than +vit items.
and when u are high lvl enough, u can afford to +5 refine ur gears (usually in the lv 80-100 range) and u will have enough money to reset ur vit points into mag points.
to the post above, yea thats true. Venos can afford to go pure mag for the lower to midrange levels
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Taarloor - Harshlands wrote: »i think he made a "fail build" barb first and is now trying out a wiz or cleric or something with a no vit build and wondering why he is so squishy, it must be the build b:chuckle
that (archer too)
The "fail build" needs no money though. Infact it pays for the other two "win" builds.
I'm gonna have to cash shop to support those "win" builds, cause NPC stuff dont cut it for them. b:sadBladesFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »why would u want to do that? for one there is something called reset all scrolls.
for two, if u sacrifice vit for pure mag (lets say), and rely heavily on refined gears and + vit items, wouldnt it be cheaper to add some vit and get +mag items? i know for a fact that the +mag items are much cheaper than +vit items.
and when u are high lvl enough, u can afford to +5 refine ur gears (usually in the lv 80-100 range) and u will have enough money to reset ur vit points into mag points.
to the post above, yea thats true. Venos can afford to go pure mag for the lower to midrange levels
ooooooh so thats how its done. You could do it cheaply that way. As to why I did it...well I am embarassed to say that it was simply cause everyone says its so great. It did not even make sense to me but if everyone said its so great, it must be. The veno can get away with that cause of the personal tank right. I see now
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Aquilonian - Dreamweaver wrote: »I made two for kicks. I gotta keep buying them good armour, shards, good weapons, pots and what not. Lv20-23 atm
The hybrids (including this guy) I have in rags. NPC stuff and I can make it just fine.
Does it get better as they get highter in level?
wow man you must really be bad at killing mobs...
level 20-23 and your buying armor, shards, weapons, pots??
from level 1-59 i haven't bought a single pot, weapon, armor and what not. And the shards (ya har sapphire shards~ which I got as drops) i'm saving em for later when I will actually use for more then 2 days (exaggerated but really i burn through a weapon like ever 4 days from levels 1-40 since you level so dam fast and the quests give you new weapons d(^.-d))
also more pots drop then I actually use and I end up selling HP pots every 20 levels since I stack up so many of them. b:shocked
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Aquilonian - Dreamweaver wrote: »that (archer too)
ooooooh so thats how its done. You could do it cheaply that way. As to why I did it...well I am embarassed to say that it was simply cause everyone says its so great. It did not even make sense to me but if everyone said its so great, it must be. The veno can get away with that cause of the personal tank right. I see now
thank you.
ur welcome its good to post qns that u are unsure of. Just ignore the negative comments.
to the rest of you, look im sure all of us were new once. You can give him advices, attack his possibly flawed arguments but never diss his views. He wasnt impolite in anyway when asking that question. Well u can flame someone who is impolite, but hey hes alright.
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Considering the Damage my Wiz does so far on Mobs and how well I kite I hardly care what **** armor she is wearing. She never gets hit more than once per monster if that. I just leave her with junk armor and a good weapon and all is great. (pure magic)0
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Never needed more than normal drops from mobs for my pure magic cleric, wizard, veno; or for my pure dex archer. For wizard, lvl 20 area was a pain, but using healing power from doing apothecary items made it easy enough after that. Pure magic cleric only was hard in high teen areas, after that it was simple. I crafted my own weapons, only special one I had was when I finally farmed my TT60 magic sword. So it must just be something you're doing.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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I play a pure arcane cleric. And I really don't care too much about gear. Although i make my own. The only thing i have gotten for him is weapon. Mobs don't make it to me usually.Retired
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Pure Dex archers cost more than Hybrid archers, but not significantly.
Find equipment that gives bonuses to HP and/or Vitality.
Use Avg Citrines at 50+ or 60+. Refine beginning at 70+ (+1 or +2 at 70s). When you get higher, you may need to refine a little more than a hybrid archer, but you should be "less squishy enough".
If you keep dying, that means you are not paying enough attention to surroundings. Or you are not following the guides.0 -
Like i tell everyone, if u have no job or school or life, make as many chars as u want and u will be able to manage them. If you have work or school, u need to concentrate on 1 character u can change it up when u feel like it but if u focus on one it;ll be stronger than 2 lower levels. If you get to 80 ur still qualified as a noob in pwi now. The "non-noob" level is after u get ur hh90 set, you get massively strong. My damage from 89 was 4400, now at 90 it went to 5600 with just a new wep and i still got 10 pts to distributeb:shocked0
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SxCii - Lost City wrote: »Like i tell everyone, if u have no job or school or life, make as many chars as u want and u will be able to manage them. If you have work or school, u need to concentrate on 1 character u can change it up when u feel like it but if u focus on one it;ll be stronger than 2 lower levels. If you get to 80 ur still qualified as a noob in pwi now. The "non-noob" level is after u get ur hh90 set, you get massively strong. My damage from 89 was 4400, now at 90 it went to 5600 with just a new wep and i still got 10 pts to distributeb:shocked
darn it I have school and a life nooooes me can't make teh multiple characters~ b:cry also ya me agree that just being high level doesn't make you a non noob.
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ok to end this thread I'll take the collective responses as a YES. They are more expensive.
For me these builds cant hold on to 70k in their safe atm. They are getting supported by my other chars. They can hardly support themselves. The more balanced hybrid builds had 200k+ in the safe and 40k+ on their inventory at all times at this same level. This guy on my avatar bought a 4Million coin deer @ lvl 38. These builds wont be able to do something like that without dedicated farming.
Someone mentioned noobs. I dont know anything about that. I leave that to that poster and the elites among you.
Although I didnt mention killing mobs, a couple of you did so I'll take this opportunity to share my experience.
I noticed that these guys I made, cant kill, kill, kill, kill, kill, pot+meditate like the balanced builds can. Its not a slow continous killing spree.
Its much faster killing. But its like this: kill, pot, kill, kill, pot, kill, pot. Otherwise it would be kill, meditate, kill, kill, meditate wich would take too long. Yes faster killing though, In and out.
Lifepowders are my best friends now. before I never needed them to grind or do quests that require grinding.
The more balanced builds can get jumped by more than one mob and either kill them (if its 2-3) or at least survive. The "winners" dont get jumped as often but if they do...run. No surprises there w/e.
well none of that matters however cause either way they both get the job done. So in that sense they can both level. Whatever, who cares. As long as you enjoy your character right? Its just that a couple people brought that up for some reason. ???
To conclude, pure builds are very fun and different. If you have not made one try one for sure. They dont suit my non cash shopping playing style however so they wil be deleted. I will make a pure str blademaster just to try a melee class pure build. But for me the pure builds were "fails", and the "fail" builds were my "win" builds. One mans trash is anothers treasure or something or other..."Let's all be reasonable here. PWI hasn't fully kept their word about anything since the "Permanent" Charm Packs. This is just another example. We should be used to it by now." -Isala0 -
Yes, hybrids play much better solo. But are less than peak effectiveness in their group role.0
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O.o so um pure = cheaper if you have friends right?
simply squad up with em all the time and let them pay for repairs. while your dishing out damage in the back. ^.^'
besides it seems like more people should start squading up for quests. O.o' a while ago was in a squad with 3 BMs and we all had the same quests which were to kill like 120 mobs. we finished in about 5-10 minutes (bms cycled tanking hits I just shot stuff from the back). =D probably would go even faster with a cleric (hooray for mana & health regen/intuition) ^.^
also veno plays well with nearly any build (>.<)darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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I have a lvl 44 wizard, 1 str, 9 mag every 2 lvls. are you saying that's a fail build? Because I have no Vit? I haven't bought anything yet...though I did give her hand-me-downs from my veno and I have to make her a weapon soon. The fb19 trial wand has come to the end of its usefull-ness.....
But is it really fail to have the build with no vit?0 -
Hmmm...
My brother plays as Barbarian, tiger form only (for now). At level 53 he has 20k coins saved, barely can afford to repair his stuff b:chuckle
My friend plays a cleric, level 56 now. Arcane, 6 mag 3 vit 1 str build. He has about 100k coins saved now, had total 0 few days ago.
Me - pure arcane wizard lvl 55, 9 mag 1 str build. Have 1mln coins in bank b:victory
I'm best when in squad but can do my level quests alone as well. The only way I die is if I fail kiting and run on another mob (usually Sacrificial Assault with ranged attack :P) or PKer ganks me.
The trick? No teleports. Do all quests possible. Pick up all drops (DQ items rules). Learn only most used/useful skills.
Arcane wizard *will be* costly later though, when I'll have to refine/shard my stuff to actually kill someone in PvP before getting one-shotted b:laughPacks World International0 -
Marshmallows - Dreamweaver wrote: »I have a lvl 44 wizard, 1 str, 9 mag every 2 lvls. are you saying that's a fail build? Because I have no Vit? I haven't bought anything yet...though I did give her hand-me-downs from my veno and I have to make her a weapon soon. The fb19 trial wand has come to the end of its usefull-ness.....
But is it really fail to have the build with no vit?
who said thats a fail build (i'm a 9 mag 1 str build)? we're more useful in squad then hybrids wizards. We do more damage and typically barb/cleric buffs give us that tiny bit of extra hp/def to survive. It doesn't matter if you survive with 99% life or 2% life as long as you survive.
Also in my personal opinion/experience hybrids cost more total (the restat scrolls alone makes it more expensive). The only way I can think of for arcane being more expensive is if your an arcane build who is **** and bought gear during the lower levels.
Im level 61 and all my gear (except HH60 weapon) are either quest or monster drops.
O.o' o another thing (wizard pure vs hybrid build since i'm not sure it goes for the other classes) LA = more expensive then full since LA has less friends which is why they go LA as they don't have friends to tank for them which means they need to repair their gear more often.
now before you get all angry at me. Me was being teh sarcastic about the no friends part but still repairs will cost monies too. While hopefully pure wizards by now know how to kite properly which might take a little bit longer but allows you to kill mobs without getting hit even once. Not even ranged mobs hit me now b:laughdarthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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I played around with an LA wiz. Though his dmg sucks compared to pure mages at that lvl (his crit = to normal hits from pure), it's rather fun playing an LA wizard. Pure wizards will always have to be in the back and hope their powerful spells don't steal aggro and have all the mobs rush them. Then they run like crazy using pills, distance shrink, holy path, etc.. My LA wiz though...he runs TOWARDS the mobs. b:laugh
Often times in fb51-79 I run up to the mobs and use Dragon Breath on them all and use the jiaozi and other hp pots to heal myself. I usually kill them off before they can kill me since I have about 7.2k Pdef fully buffed. It makes for a very interesting BH run especially if everyone is poor and have no money for wine b:cry. You have cleric set up BB, barb to lure the mobs in the room, and me with Dragon Breath up just zhenning as mobs come running into my AOE. My fastest time was 1 hr for an unwined fb69. This wouldn't have been possible with a pure build at all unless I planned to spend millions of coins for garnet gems and refining. LA from lvl 7x+ is alot cheaper than pure build because the LA armors/mold are much cheaper to get.0 -
Hybrids die more imo than pure builds. Hybrids, you don't have that much attack power, ='s more chance's for the mob to reach you to kill you. Pure has more power and you can kill faster before the mob hits you.
I just think your not playing well. For example..I had my vit( a lot) in my archer until like lvl 80, and I've died way more times than I can count. Now with pure, I hardly die, everything dies before they are touched. Yes you may have to refine later on...but really easy with mirages or find dragon orbs for sale if you don't cash shop..I'm not talking like refining your gear to +12.
Also, with hybrids, you maybe be able to take on 2 mobs and live but if you have a heiro, its getting **** or your pots are going to be used, and its also going to take a long time to kill them when you could be popping them off quickly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Hybrids = you last more. A good example is RB delta. If a good amount of pple prefer a LA to a pure arcane, then thats telling you something. (excluding the rare uber sharded/refined arcane)Coraline - Lost City wrote: »Hybrids die more imo than pure builds. Hybrids, you don't have that much attack power, ='s more chance's for the mob to reach you to kill you. Pure has more power and you can kill faster before the mob hits you.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
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Honestly, I found that pure offense works just fine in pve. Why? just kite and such. In pvp, it might get harder to kite. However, that is due to the difference of pvp vs pve.
If you expect to lag a bit and/or can't kite well, a pure will be more expensive. If you don't know how to defend yourself well enough, also more expensive. However, if you can kite well and don't expect much lag, pure is going to be just as cost efficient in pve.0 -
Perfer hybrid builds myself; my BM is a pure axe, hybrid tank/DD, my veno and cleric are vit builds, while my wiz is LA.
If I had gone for a BM using all weapons... hell yeah, it'd be expensive. Leveling up more skills, getting more weapons, LA set... I don't even wanna think about it.
Until I hit 80 on my BM, I used drop armor, quest rewards and bought some stuff. Now he's costing me a ton, since I tank a lot (my average repair bill is 100k+) and I AOE grind on top of that. Oh and that's not counting the money I'm spending on gear because I want decent stuff.
I think I had to buy one or two pieces for my veno (72) because I wanted better stats. Cleric (49) and wiz (25? 26?) are still living off quest items and drops.
Personally I wouldn't feel safe on a pure-mag caster, but that's me. I prefer being able to take a hit rather than killing a bit faster.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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...how do you do a pure dex/mag/whatever? if you put all your points into one spot, how then do you have enough to wear your armour, weapon, etc?b:question it sounds neat, and something i would love to try....Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »Never needed more than normal drops from mobs for my pure magic cleric, wizard, veno; or for my pure dex archer. For wizard, lvl 20 area was a pain, but using healing power from doing apothecary items made it easy enough after that. Pure magic cleric only was hard in high teen areas, after that it was simple. I crafted my own weapons, only special one I had was when I finally farmed my TT60 magic sword. So it must just be something you're doing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »Hybrids = you last more. A good example is RB delta. If a good amount of pple prefer a LA to a pure arcane, then thats telling you something. (excluding the rare uber sharded/refined arcane)
ya but that's robies...LA mage/clerics could take advantage of the greater pdef of LA with their buffs, LA venos have considerable pdef in foxform and can still maintain decent mdef by having certain pieces of arcane armor on. overall they also have higher mdef due to having points in magic. archers, on the other hand, cannot buff their pdef or mdef, so their defense in LA is mediocre at best. the only thing going hybrid means to an archer is having a little more buffer in vit, that doesn't offer them as much protection as going LA does to a robie, and it certainly does not mean you last much longer in daily grinds if mobs get to hit you more. for the record, a lvl 90 hybrid archer has like 1k more hp, but 18% less damage, 4% less crits. that's 2 hits from a regular fish and 1 hit from a sac assault. what's more, there are 6 pieces of equipment that you can refine and shard for hp (helm, chest, leg, shoes, bracers, cape), up to 4 pieces of equipment you can refine for pdef, but only 1 piece of equipment that you can refine for damage - that's why a lot of archers remain pure dex. surviving better for an archer just means investing in refines/shards.FoxRunning - Heavens Tear wrote: »...how do you do a pure dex/mag/whatever? if you put all your points into one spot, how then do you have enough to wear your armour, weapon, etc?b:question it sounds neat, and something i would love to try....
going a pure build means str/dex req for weapon/armor (whichever one requires more), all the rest into primary attribute; so like, 4dex 1 str / lvl for archer (so as to wear light armor),
for a robie it'd be like 9 mag 1 str / 2 lvls. i suppose you can go all mag, put on a str tome to wield your magic wep, and wear rank armor b:chuckleElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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the question is are pure builds more expensive, not which pure or hybrid die fast -_-
yes, pure builds are more expensive imo, they need to refine and add gems to their gear more than hybrid.
and, which one die fast, i think, its the same. u pure build = ur hp sucks, u hybrid = ur damage sucks more than pure. nothing perfect in this PW.
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I would have to disagree and say they are the same costs.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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