Pure vs. LA

Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary
Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Wizard
Im on the edge.

For some reason, every wiz i talk to has higher hp and pdef then me, but my magic attack blows them out of the water. Im pure right now with 760 pdef, unbuffed, and 1470 hp unbuffed.

Is survivability a high priority for wizs? isn't that the barbs or bms job, to protect the dds? should hp and pdef really matter?

My attribute currently are....
Vit 5 Mag 321
Str 36 Dex 5

What type do squads want more at higher levels? High attack, or med. atack with higher survivability?

Any advice is highly appreciated. Thank you
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  • Aquilonian - Dreamweaver
    Aquilonian - Dreamweaver Posts: 244 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I can only answer the last thing. I would like you to hit things...HARD.

    But I don't know anything
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Have you started working on your TT70 gear and weapon? If you do a full 1-2/1-3 run, that includes Soulbanisher, you will probably get 1 shot even with BB. I've already been told once that Veno stat workouts aren't the same as Wizzie/Cleric ones, fine, but respectively, they're squishy. Before my ingame hubby got a restat for my veno, I had around 50-60 Vit and I would still get 1 hit by Banisher with BB up. You may have the highest DPS next to the Archer, but Archer's survive better than Wizzie's do. If you have the money for it, you can buy the mats you need, otherwise you might have to sit bosses out if you can't survive them. :-/
  • Torene - Dreamweaver
    Torene - Dreamweaver Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Ah, another thing you want to look at, is that around your level people like to make Zhen parties (massive AoE groups). You wouldn't survive long unless you ended up not tanking any of the mobs and left it to the other two aoers in the squad.
  • lmaonade1xp
    lmaonade1xp Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    1470 hp? dont you use hp shards? even if you're a pure mag wizard, it doesn't hurt to have more hp >.>
  • Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary
    Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    As far as TT goes, i do fine. Ive done full 1-2, 1-3 runs, and half of a 2-1. But without barb hp buff, i have been one shotted, but with it i havn't. I have hp charm, and as of right now i feel its not worth the money to shard and refine my armor. I have put some pdef on, but not many.

    As for the TT70 weapon, i have made the acalanatha wand, double refined with flawless saphire. As far as TT70 armor goes, once again it seems like a waste of time and effort. I would rather save money and purchase decent lvl 70 armor that allows me to survive till i get my TT80 green and gold armor.

    But as far as LA and Arcane goes, im unsure. Would decently sharded lvl 70 arcane gear allow me to survive and keep my hitting power or would i be better off switching to LA and loose attack power?

    And when it comes to pdef and hp shards on my armor, which would have a better chance of enhancing my overall survivability?
  • bigxbear
    bigxbear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    As far as TT goes, i do fine. Ive done full 1-2, 1-3 runs, and half of a 2-1. But without barb hp buff, i have been one shotted, but with it i havn't. I have hp charm, and as of right now i feel its not worth the money to shard and refine my armor. I have put some pdef on, but not many.

    As for the TT70 weapon, i have made the acalanatha wand, double refined with flawless saphire. As far as TT70 armor goes, once again it seems like a waste of time and effort. I would rather save money and purchase decent lvl 70 armor that allows me to survive till i get my TT80 green and gold armor.

    But as far as LA and Arcane goes, im unsure. Would decently sharded lvl 70 arcane gear allow me to survive and keep my hitting power or would i be better off switching to LA and loose attack power?

    And when it comes to pdef and hp shards on my armor, which would have a better chance of enhancing my overall survivability?

    pdeff shards in armor, hp shards in cape and hat, saffire shards in weapon, refine armor to +3.

    ^it's cheap, increases ur survivability and u don't lose any power, ur job is to hit hard...really hard.
    i'm the one spinning in their chair, eating a ring-pop, wondering y the world hates broccolie so much... but loves it w/ cheese O.o... mabye we all should wear cheese to be better ppl. (Yes!!.. One more step to RUULING the worldb:thanks)
  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Have you started working on your TT70 gear and weapon? If you do a full 1-2/1-3 run, that includes Soulbanisher, you will probably get 1 shot even with BB. I've already been told once that Veno stat workouts aren't the same as Wizzie/Cleric ones, fine, but respectively, they're squishy. Before my ingame hubby got a restat for my veno, I had around 50-60 Vit and I would still get 1 hit by Banisher with BB up. You may have the highest DPS next to the Archer, but Archer's survive better than Wizzie's do. If you have the money for it, you can buy the mats you need, otherwise you might have to sit bosses out if you can't survive them. :-/

    If you talking about hp/vit, it's worse for wizzies b:surrender
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  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Go Pure you're on a pve server so rpk is only optional ^^
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    bigxbear wrote: »
    pdeff shards in armor, hp shards in cape and hat, saffire shards in weapon, refine armor to +3.

    ^it's cheap, increases ur survivability and u don't lose any power, ur job is to hit hard...really hard.

    ^ pro tip. b:bye
  • Taurzo - Lost City
    Taurzo - Lost City Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Chaotic,

    LA mages naturally gain more hp due to the fact that instead of sharding garnets we shard citrines; furthermore, when we refine our armor we get a higher HP increase per refine than some one who's arcane. But on the opposite side of the spectrum pure mages dish out more damage than LA and when the two are pitted together the odds are highly in the Pure mages favor due to the fact that Pure mages have a higher elemental res. while also dealing more damage to the LA mage who has lesser elemental res and deals less damage than the Pure. (The odds increase a tad bit for the LA mage if they are in possession of BT)

    Survivability is important. You've heard it, I'm sure, many times before:

    LA focus on HP
    Pure focus on P.def

    this of course is a vast generalization some pure actually shard HP mixed with p.def.

    And fyi my base vit stat is "3". Yep i took 2 points out of my vit and I have a significantly more amount of hp atm I'm pretty close to 4k hp xP. (then again i'm LA for the current time being)

    My suggestion to you is do what you like if you wanna do a mass ton of damage but be squishy then do that; if you wanna do less damage and drag out the battle a little bit longer in hopes of a victory do that instead.

    Honestly, I'm restatting to Pure at 90 and am sharding only garnets. I'll be using my refinements to my gear as my HP boost. Yeah I'm cutting out a lot of my HP so that I can; hopefully, deal more damage and protect myself better from those damn melee classes b:laugh
  • bamboocleaver
    bamboocleaver Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I'm of mixed feelings in this... I'm trying to go LA, but the more I adventure the harder it seems to be.

    I'm only 36 atm, but I'm being outdamaged by Plume shot by my wife as a cleric since she is going straight magic.

    It's rough and I'm thinking about respeccing from LA to Pure. Seems all the 'good' gear we find is for pure arcane anyway :(

    I keep hoping that maybe next level of gear the difference in damage I take will begin to show a difference between her damage taken and mine, but well... I don't seem to be seeing much of a difference yet.

    -Fau
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    finally, someone that has the courage and brain to compare us against something that matters: Cleric.
    Bamboo, that's exactly what I've seen also and that's why I just consider LA a fail unless you're on a PvP server and basically don't have any other choice (or you are rich, then go robe from start).
    Around lvl 36 is where the diference begins to be visible. Cleric and Wizard are equally matched in dmg until like 30s, then the LA begins to fall back. If you as a wizard cannot dish out more damage than a cleric just quit the game. What use do you have as a wizard if a cleric outdamages you?
    Even a vitality cleric will outdamage a LA wizard. Cleric can self buff increasing the gap even more.
    I mean , really, just consider it: Cleric can outdamage you, can heal/squad buff, has plume shell, has a AOE that doesn't require spark, has phys and mag attk, has debuffs. Where do you fit in as LA wizard?...yeah ....
    Pure mag wizards on the other had have sick dmg. And as they grow up in lvl the dmg grows exponentially. My magic attk right now is 6.1k-6.9k, unbuffed. I think a cleric (with some vit points) buffed comes to that value. A full int cleric might have a little bit more attk, but we compensate with the weapon % added to skills. Anyway, this is a never ending debate.
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  • Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary
    Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I personally would prefer dealing damage and being a little more squishy, so I think I'm going to go pure. Thank you all for the advice.

    Now the question for me is shards. I have heard many different opinions, some pure and some LA, and all are different. Ive heard to just use citrines on my armor, just garnets, and also a mix. As of right now, with my hp so low, and my pdef so low, which would help me more? I understand as you get higher and higher pdef, the less the % is thats gained for each new shard. So would sharding some with garnets and some with citrines be more effective or would just citrines help more?
  • bigxbear
    bigxbear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I personally would prefer dealing damage and being a little more squishy, so I think I'm going to go pure. Thank you all for the advice.

    Now the question for me is shards. I have heard many different opinions, some pure and some LA, and all are different. Ive heard to just use citrines on my armor, just garnets, and also a mix. As of right now, with my hp so low, and my pdef so low, which would help me more? I understand as you get higher and higher pdef, the less the % is thats gained for each new shard. So would sharding some with garnets and some with citrines be more effective or would just citrines help more?

    pdeff shards in armor, hp shards in cape and hat. u'll have the same amount, if not more, pdeff as LA w/ full hp shards. the hp is a small boost, but as a pure u will rely mostly on refines for hp.
    i'm the one spinning in their chair, eating a ring-pop, wondering y the world hates broccolie so much... but loves it w/ cheese O.o... mabye we all should wear cheese to be better ppl. (Yes!!.. One more step to RUULING the worldb:thanks)
  • Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary
    Chaotic_Mage - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Thank you all for answering my questions. Your advice is greatly appreciated. b:victory
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    A cleric using the common vit build wont outdamage a LA
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • bigxbear
    bigxbear Posts: 240 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    A cleric using the common vit build wont outdamage a LA

    are u sure? and wat is the "common" vit build? also keep in mind, AA mostly has +mag, and LA mostly gives +dex. and i doubt ppl r reseting every few lvls to transfer extra dex into mag =/

    so base dmg wise, AA out dmgs LA, and LA only gets like 1%-4% increase in crit, wich doesn't work in ur healing(clerics most used roll)
    i'm the one spinning in their chair, eating a ring-pop, wondering y the world hates broccolie so much... but loves it w/ cheese O.o... mabye we all should wear cheese to be better ppl. (Yes!!.. One more step to RUULING the worldb:thanks)
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Ugh, stop overcomplicating this ****.

    If you're on a PvE server, go pure MAG. Maybe a little vit if you intend on PvPing.
    If you're on a PvP server, it doesn't matter. If you want to be able to pvp decently from 60-89 without paying out of your ****, go light armor, if not stick with Arcane for leveling. Again, some vit helps for PvP but you'll still get **** by anything physical unless you pay a lot for gear. Rebirth etc can be done with Arcane anyway.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Im def sure. 6 mag 3 vit 1 str. dont forget LA can wear AA
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Ayano-chan - Sanctuary
    Ayano-chan - Sanctuary Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    LOL,a cleric will never outdmg a wiz unless they are pure magic. And at 80+ once u get undine your dmg burst is still higher can break through charms just due to your chi moves. And...pvp wise 4% crit that you get from dex till 90 >>> 40-60 more magic that your average cleric build has over an LA wiz,unless your weapon is really really pimped out which won't happen that much till 90+ anyway.

    BTW when will this debate end b:angry !!!! LA is the way to go once you max your earth barrier till you get 90,then arcane pure mag NOT vit like the nubs are build. That's it ,this thread must die !!!
  • malator
    malator Posts: 62 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    LOL,a cleric will never outdmg a wiz unless they are pure magic. And at 80+ once u get undine your dmg burst is still higher can break through charms just due to your chi moves. And...pvp wise 4% crit that you get from dex till 90 >>> 40-60 more magic that your average cleric build has over an LA wiz,unless your weapon is really really pimped out which won't happen that much till 90+ anyway.

    BTW when will this debate end b:angry !!!! LA is the way to go once you max your earth barrier till you get 90,then arcane pure mag NOT vit like the nubs are build. That's it ,this thread must die !!!

    NO YOU!lulz pure ftw =_=