Pve vs pvp server

Zubei - Heavens Tear
Zubei - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
edited September 2009 in Blademaster
I'm noticing that Pve server ppl and pvp server ppl answer questions on bms entirely different.

Pvp server is like "dex build only" bms
Pve server has a handful of vit bms

I myself am I vit bm and I think it's wonderful to have lots of hp. I can tank my bhs just fine.

Anyone's opinion?
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  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I am not sure where your getting at in this thread. I am on a PVE server and I have low VIT with high DEX lol b:chuckle\

    I wish I have high VIT b:cry

    But I am a on a PVE server with a high DEX BM

    So don't say that ALL have the same kind of stats please?
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    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
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  • Zubei - Heavens Tear
    Zubei - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    I meant a handful of Bms, not all Bms are dex build. I'm reading the forums and Pvp servers ppl are like "DEX BM OR ELSE"
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Zubei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I meant a handful of Bms, not all Bms are dex build. I'm reading the forums and Pvp servers ppl are like "DEX BM OR ELSE"

    I know that, but I mean what you said about DEX BMs are on PVP servers, who knows if there are VIT BMs... or even STR ones?
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  • Zubei - Heavens Tear
    Zubei - Heavens Tear Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    u would never go str build because... this game has what they call "diminishing return". Even if you added all the str and had a capped vit and a capped dex, it wouldn't be worth it. Str should be capped by your axes or sometimes your armor. True, the bonuses are getting more physical def. But vit and dex are more important than having physical defense. Vit build is mainly against magic users. Your wizards won't one shot you and they of course do not miss. Dex is for people who want to kill archers. Vit builds will die against archers because they can't land a hit. Dex builds are against archers; however a wizard can one shot you.

    Besides on Heaven's Tear around my lvl, having a tank is so important. There's so many times I had to tank my own bh 51.
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Zubei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    u would never go str build because... this game has what they call "diminishing return". Even if you added all the str and had a capped vit and a capped dex, it wouldn't be worth it. Str should be capped by your axes or sometimes your armor. True, the bonuses are getting more physical def. But vit and dex are more important than having physical defense. Vit build is mainly against magic users. Your wizards won't one shot you and they of course do not miss. Dex is for people who want to kill archers. Vit builds will die against archers because they can't land a hit. Dex builds are against archers; however a wizard can one shot you.

    Besides on Heaven's Tear around my lvl, having a tank is so important. There's so many times I had to tank my own bh 51.

    I personally would not cap a stat, but I guess I'd be an archer killer then but I don't PVP, high crits for fast killing b:chuckle. Hmmm lets see who else would be which kind of BM?
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    VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Zubei - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm noticing that Pve server ppl and pvp server ppl answer questions on bms entirely different.

    Pvp server is like "dex build only" bms
    Pve server has a handful of vit bms

    I myself am I vit bm and I think it's wonderful to have lots of hp. I can tank my bhs just fine.

    Anyone's opinion?

    I think that we've come to two separate conclusions.

    On PvP server it seems most advocate Vit over Dex. Then more Dex in 9x's range. But they always recommend not capping vit.

    Now on a PvE server you have more leeway on how you want to distribute. You don't have to worry about getting attacked 24/7. You'll see more variety of builds IMO.

    I am a dex built BM Axe main, secondary, fist & Pole. (Mostly Fist.) I have had no problem tanking really at all. The only bosses I can't tank are high end magic using boss's. But its not because of my HP its the fact I haven't set up my genie skills to help me cancel. This is being taken care of as I speak. My genie just needs two more levels. And I will have two Gold woot!!
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  • Hippie - Harshlands
    Hippie - Harshlands Posts: 515 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    dont know bout pve servers but i think pvp servers have both... dex bms are considered pretty much mightless, as u cant take as many players of ur lvl as a vit bm, u cant be the "indestructible master of war"

    dext bms are suited for pk, whilke vit bms for group pvp. dext bm has less miss, beter crit and evasion, while in group pvp u are rarely needed for dmg, but for stuns, and tanking... yes dmg is useful, but who cares if a mage and an archer takes u down in 10 seconds?

    all of that stuff also depends onw at gear can u afford, how high refines etc...

    also dext bms lvl faster. aoe grinding is so much easier with high dext...
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Hippie - Harshlands wrote: »
    dont know bout pve servers but i think pvp servers have both... dex bms are considered pretty much mightless, as u cant take as many players of ur lvl as a vit bm, u cant be the "indestructible master of war"

    dext bms are suited for pk, whilke vit bms for group pvp. dext bm has less miss, beter crit and evasion, while in group pvp u are rarely needed for dmg, but for stuns, and tanking... yes dmg is useful, but who cares if a mage and an archer takes u down in 10 seconds?

    all of that stuff also depends onw at gear can u afford, how high refines etc...

    also dext bms lvl faster. aoe grinding is so much easier with high dext...

    You made me think of this amv..... Indestructible
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  • Hippie - Harshlands
    Hippie - Harshlands Posts: 515 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You made me think of this amv..... Indestructible

    actually i am listening to the album right now, Disturbed - Indestructible ;P
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Now on a PvE server you have more leeway on how you want to distribute. You don't have to worry about getting attacked 24/7. You'll see more variety of builds IMO.

    Sorry, that's BS. Blademaster is quite flexible and you'll find quite a variety on any server. Build your BM how you want to build it... not everyone's build is perfect for another.

    And as a dex build with only 5.1k hp unbuffed, I can tank all my BH's as well. Then again, I'm only sharded with G6, only refined to +1... my 90 armor will be G8 and +4 or +5, so I'll get an additional 1k+ hp just from gears and vit won't matter as much.
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Sorry, that's BS. Blademaster is quite flexible and you'll find quite a variety on any server. Build your BM how you want to build it... not everyone's build is perfect for another.

    And as a dex build with only 5.1k hp unbuffed, I can tank all my BH's as well. Then again, I'm only sharded with G6, only refined to +1... my 90 armor will be G8 and +4 or +5, so I'll get an additional 1k+ hp just from gears and vit won't matter as much.

    How is it BS? It's okay for poster to post their opinion but not me?? I was just pointing out my observations; from people who've posted their stats and those I know in game.

    I absolutely agree that everyone should build there BM the way they want. When I started my BM all anyone posted was Vit builds...more and more lately I've seen dex builds coming up. I find it all very interesting.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How is it BS? It's okay for poster to post their opinion but not me?? I was just pointing out my observations; from people who've posted their stats and those I know in game.

    Umm... because I play a pvp server, know quite a few BM's and their stat/skill allocations and can say without a doubt that there aren't just two primary builds?
    AdvanceZero wrote:
    Now on a PvE server you have more leeway on how you want to distribute. You don't have to worry about getting attacked 24/7. You'll see more variety of builds IMO.

    Again... people build their chars how it suits them, and there is no more or less leeway on a PvP server than there is a PvE server. You find just as much diversity with everyone building how it suits them.
    On PvP server it seems most advocate Vit over Dex. Then more Dex in 9x's range. But they always recommend not capping vit.

    And that's not really true either... and it doesn't have to do with being on a PvP server, it has more to do if you're a PvP or PvE build, which there are plenty of either on any server. You do have a lot of TW builds on PvE servers, eh?

    I wouldn't recommend any BM to cap vit, because at different level ranges you may need more vit than others... namely during 7x when you get the air mobs, all the extra vit you can spare will help you. I've always advocated putting points into vit until you feel like you're missing too much, then put all your unallocated points into dex until your hit rate increases. End game gear should be highly refined and sharded for max hit points, so points that you might want to put to vit would be better suited to dex, which is why many 9x restat.
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  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited September 2009
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Umm... because I play a pvp server, know quite a few BM's and their stat/skill allocations and can say without a doubt that there aren't just two primary builds?

    I never said there are two primary builds.

    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Again... people build their chars how it suits them, and there is no more or less leeway on a PvP server than there is a PvE server. You find just as much diversity with everyone building how it suits them.

    Technically anyone on any server can build any class as they see fit.

    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    And that's not really true either... and it doesn't have to do with being on a PvP server, it has more to do if you're a PvP or PvE build, which there are plenty of either on any server. You do have a lot of TW builds on PvE servers, eh?

    Yes, TW builds tend to be high Vit type builds. Not all.
    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    I wouldn't recommend any BM to cap vit, because at different level ranges you may need more vit than others... namely during 7x when you get the air mobs, all the extra vit you can spare will help you. I've always advocated putting points into vit until you feel like you're missing too much, then put all your unallocated points into dex until your hit rate increases. End game gear should be highly refined and sharded for max hit points, so points that you might want to put to vit would be better suited to dex, which is why many 9x restat.

    I think you just proved my point.

    Anyways, I for one would rather plan my build so I didn't have to restat.

    Like I said it was my observation and opinion. I still stand by it.

    As for my recommendations to other players. I think play enjoyement is the ultimate decider. Build your character so that you will have the most fun. Its what the game is about.
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