Mage in rebirth gamma

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

So when I use world chat to find wizards for rebirth, I get a lot of questions about specific stat requirements and such. Here's my wishlist for mages wanting to do rebirth gamma, it's loosely based on the problems I've seen with mages on HT (I dunno about the other servers, but I saw this post by Nakhi and figured other servers might be having trouble figuring out what "DD" classes are & what DDs need for rebirth:

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

I don't take BMs on GV runs. Three DD one veno party FTW. You get all beans by 2nd boss.

All builds:
-Willing to pay attention & follow directions
-bronze HP charm
-maxed (for your level) DB; (if it's not maxed, tell everyone it is & make sure to level it asap)
-2400HP unbuffed. (very flexible, had a mage go through with 1900 unbuffed).

So yeah, no level requirements (well... lv 71-85), no experience necessary. Just be willing to learn & follow directions; and holy ****, know how your class works!

Arcane wiz:
here we have the most problems, I swear to Buddha's grandmama if I see another mage wearing elemental ornaments and stacking their gear with HP shards, I'm going to cry b:sad.

-high level garnet shards (stupid cheap so get them now).
-p.def ornaments with HP/vit adds (easy peasy)
-+3 your gear (too easy) for extra HP. (good squad will keep you alive even if you have lower than 2400hp.

LA wiz:
well actually haven't found a LA wiz that couldn't finish rebirth.

okie then, discuss

MagicHamsta - Lost City · September 2009

yay no experience necessary? ^.^ thats exactly how much experience I have! woooo~ and whats wrong with HP shards? DX

*sowwy im a noob (>.<)* b:surrender

Ursa - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Maxed DB on arcane wizz?NO NO NO NO NO. Never.
Unless u have a kick-a$$ BM , or 2 BMs. Or use a TT60 wpn...or something...

Maxed DB will call for a maxed BoA, otherwise failure is 1 step away.

Key to successful RB: BM(s) and Barb keep aggro at all times. If that doesn't work, plan B: Splitt aggro with Archer. If that fails, Re-enter RB.b:chuckle

I failed RB once becase of me, was my first and didn't sync well the potting/event food with charm/TOP. Never failed a RB after because of me. **** happened here and there and I failed a few, and that will happen no matter what.

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

yay no experience necessary? ^.^ thats exactly how much experience I have! woooo~ and whats wrong with HP shards? DX

*sowwy im a noob (>.<)* b:surrender

nope, just follow directions

and p.def shards > hp shards on wiz because your earth barrier + BM buff + cleric buff = massive defense; ask ursa she's arcane w/ nice garnet gems and has impressive defense/survivability.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maxed DB on arcane wizz?NO NO NO NO NO. Never.
Unless u have a kick-a$$ BM , or 2 BMs. Or use a TT60 wpn...or something...

Maxed DB will call for a maxed BoA, otherwise failure is 1 step away.

Key to successful RB: BM(s) and Barb keep aggro at all times. If that doesn't work, plan B: Splitt aggro with Archer. If that fails, Re-enter RB.b:chuckle

I failed RB once becase of me, was my first and didn't sync well the potting/event food with charm/TOP. Never failed a RB after because of me. **** happened here and there and I failed a few, and that will happen no matter what.

If arcane wiz pulls too much aggro, we just have him or her take their weapon off. The damage from lv 10 DB is still good. That or take off the rings or carry a HH60 arbor (or even lv 54 military magic sword).

But yah lv 10 DB is essential for TW (maybe Dreamweaver hasn't figured this out though b:shutup), and in rebirth the idea is to kill mobs asap...

Ursa - Dreamweaver · September 2009

b:chuckle

yeah, in RB around wave 5 or so my pdef = mdef , that's about +8k. Archer doesn't even get that far. When auras were maxed pdef was more than 10k if I remember correctly. So yeah, with decent gear survivability in RB is not a problem.

Antaury - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maxed DB on arcane wizz?NO NO NO NO NO. Never.
Unless u have a kick-a$$ BM , or 2 BMs. Or use a TT60 wpn...or something...

Maxed DB will call for a maxed BoA, otherwise failure is 1 step away.

Key to successful RB: BM(s) and Barb keep aggro at all times. If that doesn't work, plan B: Splitt aggro with Archer. If that fails, Re-enter RB.b:chuckle

i agreed with Ursa lvl10 DB will get you dead if your BM/BARB isnt good.

also higher the HP is more chance to complete, why? mots of the mobs are magic attack, so Pdef wont help you too much, at first 3 -4 waves mobs can attack you with Bleed or posion and if you have low hp you will die. b:shocked

Will_$mith - Sanctuary · September 2009

Always wonder about this. If I was ready for RB or not

Being an Arcane would make it difficult for me, always in shouts people ask for LA Wiz

So a Bronze Charm will do just fine, I can afford that

Nakhimov - Lost City · September 2009

A few comments: Everyone above is correct, arcanes tend to pull aggro and get dead, unless they've got an exceptional barb. I'd recommend a somewhat refined HH60 wep, maybe +2, so as you don't take too long to kill mobs.

Most squads won't take a mage until they are HIGH 7x, 78+, generally.

Make a genie for GV runs. Cauterize, Holy Path, Earthquake, Tree or Absolute Domain.

USE PDEF ADORNS.

Event pots are your friends, use them.

That's really all I can think of atm, I'll add more later.

Adroit - Lost City · September 2009

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maxed DB on arcane wizz?NO NO NO NO NO. Never.

You're crazy... Max DB is a must, not a problem. The barbs on your server must really suck if they can't hold aggro off max DB on an arcane wiz... lmao

MagicHamsta - Lost City · September 2009

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

And, when we know someone's health without also knowing pdef or when we know someone's pdef without also knowing their health, we do not really know anything.

O.o' sounds like something yoda would say.

well um me have DB as high as my level would allow DX but i should be fine since my weapon is pretty bad right? its um currently 9 levels below me. b:shocked
and by the time i hit 70+ or so my new weapon would probably still be alot lower then my level from the looks of this. DX

*darn i need to soo find a blacksmith who can keep up~*b:surrender

Nakhimov - Lost City · September 2009

HP doesn't matter when your arcange mage gets killed by mobs. b:surrender

KevinK - Harshlands · September 2009

I've done RB's since level 70 and onto level 85
I've switched to LA mage in order to get "accepted" to RBs. What i think is, although it is true most of the mobs are magical, it is the phsycal mobs who are the "killers". Arcane mages may be able to survive 10 waves of magic mobs, but one physical wave will kill them (if they don't have good stats of course). And, as you all know, the last boss's aoe will one shot low Pdef mages.

It is easy to get the requried stats for arcane mages. To br safe, 2k pdef with 3k hp is good enough to run an RB. Unless your barb can't hold aggro, you should be fine.

Also, having extra magical defense is pointless because the monsters debuff your magic defense way down ne way.

My suggestoin:(1) If you are poor, stay arcane and simply use garnet shards with +'d physical ornaments. A restat scroll for some vit wouldn't hurt. (1) If you can afford it, Buy some LA gear with some HP shards with refines. That should be enough to handle it.

Remember, no matter how beefed up your defense is, if your barb can't hold aggro, the rb would surly fail.

Nakhimov - Lost City · September 2009

Well, mag mobs debuff you anyways, so any arcane advantage is gone.

It's bleed mobs that are bad, I'm in GV right now and getting ticked for 1116 b:shocked

Cosoc - Sanctuary · September 2009

well i was a pure wizzy and to do gamma i took 100 out of mag and put it into vit with resets...
this to me was the cheepest option considering if i went LA id need to get a whole new set of armour...
i have 3.3k hp without buffs and db n fire mastery maxed...
phys def is around 2.2k without buffs
by the end of gamma i have 6k phys def with auras and buffs
i have no trouble with gamma...
i dont steal agro all that much and if i do i just take my weapon off for a few seconds...
i survive the last boss
pretty much the only time i fail gamma is when the barb doesnt hold agro...
or when bm dc's :P

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

But pdef amplifies your health -- your benefits from your defenses (including your physical defense) multiply with your benefits from health. So health shards can not automatically be bad.

And, when we know someone's health without also knowing pdef or when we know someone's pdef without also knowing their health, we do not really know anything.

HP comes from refines and gear mods. P.def comes from shards and gear mods.

Or my general rule for arcane gear (although it probably doesn't make a huge difference, makes me feel better): when less than 3 sockets- all garnets. 4th socket = highest lv HP shard you can afford.

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

in my serve ppl keep telling oly +3k hp unbuffed, +80 lv, only LA and advicing me to get vit intant of magic

this such of thinks make me belive i will never do a gamma b:surrender

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »

in my serve ppl keep telling oly +3k hp unbuffed, +80 lv, only LA and advicing me to get vit intant of magic

this such of thinks make me belive i will never do a gamma b:surrender

Your server is full of noobs, sorry.

Ursa - Dreamweaver · September 2009

I have to agree.
Half the barbs on the server don't know how to play their class. I don't know really how they manage to get into the 80s. The rest of them that know what to do are either an alt or high lvls that are playing on alts now. At 87 not being able to keep aggro fom a 86 wizz is not acceptable when you're full sparked and the wizz uses only normal attack( no spark, no poison, no undine).
What can I say when I'm being attacked by venos in fox form in PvP room in cube? Or archers that think every wizard around is just practice target and go "WTF?" when they get a Soporific whisper? Or clerics that don't know they need to purify on FB69 bosses?. Yeah, all the examples above are ppl well into the 80s, ppl I met in the last 2 weeks or so.
I've seen wizards grinding in swamp starting to hit a mob about 10m away or so, just outside of mob's range. 10m...when u can start at 28.5...and with Pdef ornaments on them ... in swamp....oh God.
Yeah, our server has his share of n00bs.

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I have to agree.
Half the barbs on the server don't know how to play their class. I don't know really how they manage to get into the 80s. The rest of them that know what to do are either an alt or high lvls that are playing on alts now. At 87 not being able to keep aggro fom a 86 wizz is not acceptable when you're full sparked and the wizz uses only normal attack( no spark, no poison, no undine).
What can I say when I'm being attacked by venos in fox form in PvP room in cube? Or archers that think every wizard around is just practice target and go "WTF?" when they get a Soporific whisper? Or clerics that don't know they need to purify on FB69 bosses?. Yeah, all the examples above are ppl well into the 80s, ppl I met in the last 2 weeks or so.
I've seen wizards grinding in swamp starting to hit a mob about 10m away or so, just outside of mob's range. 10m...when u can start at 28.5...and with Pdef ornaments on them ... in swamp....oh God.
Yeah, our server has his share of n00bs.

heh, and the funy is when a barb come to TT and dont want to use tiger outside boss....ends wiht cleric and me dead
or when a cleric is so cking dumb that at midle of a fight agains a boss go ress aother guys....barb ends dead <<
or when teh clerics are healing a person that is not veen get hitted or when they ress a ppl but dont heal u useless u ask them 1000times
or when u see high lv barbs wiht mag def shards intead of hp...

most of my problems come from barbs and clerics since they are a very important class in squads but i already find alot of venos that cant pull mobs wiht pet and end wiht all party dead becuz of lure 3+mobsb:shocked

Ursa - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Veno luring more than one is a Disney classic b:chuckle
And honestly, I already have a list of clerics/barbs/veno I don't do FBs/TTs with.
Archers are fine I guess, beside their uber ego in PvP/duel vs almos every1, I haven't had any problems from archers stealing aggro/wiping out squads because of that.

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Veno luring more than one is a Disney classic b:chuckle
And honestly, I already have a list of clerics/barbs/veno I don't do FBs/TTs with.
Archers are fine I guess, beside their uber ego in PvP/duel vs almos every1, I haven't had any problems from archers stealing aggro/wiping out squads because of that.

i forgot to tell i saw some few mages and cleric wiht evasion ornaments b:shocked

when i asked them why they dotn use pdef they told me becuz tehy have a low pdef b:angry

i can kill archers wiht 3 skills, using sutra they are a cookie...teh oly problem is teh stun nothing more can stop me for crush them in sec

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

news a archer didnt let me enter ona a rb gamma squad becuz i dotn have 3.5k hp unbuffed

Ursa - Dreamweaver · September 2009

lol,
I completed my first gammas in the high 70s with about 2.7k HP unbuffed.

Keep that archer in mind for later reference, it's always good to know the idiots around you. They have a way to blend in and you sometimes miss them.

Nakhimov - Lost City · September 2009

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

lol,
I completed my first gammas in the high 70s with about 2.7k HP unbuffed.

Keep that archer in mind for later reference, it's always good to know the idiots around you. They have a way to blend in and you sometimes miss them.

Wow, I have slightly under 2.8k unbuffed (3k with hh70 weapon, but I don't use it because it takes too long to kill things b:shocked) and I complete just fine with 70k max heiro burn per run. Only time I die is when bleed outticks me, which is only when my cauterize doesn't proc.

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

news(since im in pms for rb gamma i have more news), a wiz got inveted for gamma instead of me becuz he have 3.8k hp unbuffed...when i ask for him pdef he told me 400, when i ask for him ornaments he told use element ornaments........guys im getting crazy about this

edit: when i told him he should have much more pdef he told me he have maxed stone barrier....a lv80 wiz told me he have maxed stone barrier.......good i have it maxed too since min lv Oo

Cryxtal - Sanctuary · September 2009

Gamma for me was a breeze. I started doing it at lvl 72, and only failed if someone else screws up . Anyway even if u are LA, I feel the best hp to be at a minimum is around 2.9k unbuffed. <--- if lower, it just means ur barb has to be a pro, spamming sunder ->Frighten->bleed at the start when mobs are gathered before bringing it down to our AoE.

If not, u gonna have a hard time if u steal aggro ( more charm ticks for you) .
And when it comes to DW... pray.b:laugh

Rezsonate - Heavens Tear · September 2009

im LA build, 1 level to DB, i MIGHT max it out later

i think lvl 1 fire mastery

Cryxtal - Sanctuary · September 2009

Im on DB lvl 9 ! However, 8 is sufficient if ur weapons like TT80 Refined to +5-6.

Anyway, when i do gamma im pretty picky about the archer. Has to have highly refined weapon and shard and around lvl7 barrage at least. THATS MY preference so that we clear Double wave and fire mobs at the fastest rate possible. Believe me archers damage can determine if u die in DW or not. If u guys take too long to kill of the mobs in DW, then barb MIGHT lose aggro over time.

So yea if ur team's overall DD is sucky, dun just blame urself , player info the archer and check out his weapon first. b:victory

Zetarana - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Ok I have to ask now that I am nearing 70 on my Wiz...
I had a good idea of what I should do if I was just going to play regular PvE and not do RBs, but the EXP makes me want to try...

Running Pure Mag, I have my TT70 Armor already, hand-me-down from my Veno, a full set of Snow Dance.
I have the Legion necklace, and everything has been refined up to a minimum of +1. I just need to shard it.

Should I shard all PDef or Balance with HP? (Leaning to one or the other? - in case of odd sockets)
I don't want to invest too much in the TT70 armor as it is a short-term item.

What cape/belt/rings do you experienced RB'ers recommend as well?

This will give me time to farm whatever I need to get ready for RB.

Thanks in Advance,

Kannone - Heavens Tear · September 2009

Zetarana - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Ok I have to ask now that I am nearing 70 on my Wiz...
I had a good idea of what I should do if I was just going to play regular PvE and not do RBs, but the EXP makes me want to try...

Running Pure Mag, I have my TT70 Armor already, hand-me-down from my Veno, a full set of Snow Dance.
I have the Legion necklace, and everything has been refined up to a minimum of +1. I just need to shard it.

Should I shard all PDef or Balance with HP? (Leaning to one or the other? - in case of odd sockets)
I don't want to invest too much in the TT70 armor as it is a short-term item.

What cape/belt/rings do you experienced RB'ers recommend as well?

This will give me time to farm whatever I need to get ready for RB.

Thanks in Advance,

Just my opinion (hopefully you'll get other opinions as well):

Stack arcane gear with p.def shards, wear p.def ornaments w/ HP adds (HP > vit adds). If you're low on HP I would use HP shards in the helmet and cape and refine the gears to +3.

I seriously doubt you'll have any trouble completing a rebirth if you do that, unless you're mage is on Dreamweaver where barbs tell mages not to max DB and archers won't let mages in squad w/out 3500HP unbuffed...b:chuckle

FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just my opinion (hopefully you'll get other opinions as well):

Stack arcane gear with p.def shards, wear p.def ornaments w/ HP adds (HP > vit adds). If you're low on HP I would use HP shards in the helmet and cape and refine the gears to +3.

I seriously doubt you'll have any trouble completing a rebirth if you do that, unless you're mage is on Dreamweaver where barbs tell mages not to max DB and archers won't let mages in squad w/out 3500HP unbuffed...b:chuckle

i think she/he should use 100% hp, hp everywhere becuz if not ppl dotn accept u becuz u dont have 3k+ hp and ppl wont anoy if u have 100pdef but u need have 3000hp becuz in my server is 3khp+400pdef >>>>>2.5khp+1.8kpdef

Edit: btw im serius DONT MAX DB LET IT BE ON LV1.....in my server is when some1 takes agro and dies the fault is from who get agro and not from who should get agro and didnt

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