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lesspewpewmoreqq · September 2009

someone said it best

PWI has become

Free to Play, Pay to Win.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

axy wrote: »

True, its might balance out, but I'm afread there is only a little chance it will..

You don't even have to mention high level should be cheap or not, its an F2P game, means FREE TO PLAY, so yes, you should be able to play for free completely. Paying should give you a slightly better gameplay, or easier leveling or getting stuff bit faster or easier or so. But not make a huge difference you can never make up if you don't pay, even if you play lots. Thats the point! Game is totally unbalanced now.. I really hope it evens out, but I really doubt it. We'll just have to see what all happens this month, I'm still deciding on quitting or not. Hope PWI fixes the problem so they can really say, happy birthday pwi, and not R.I.P. PWI, that would be a shame for the best F2P mmorpg ever...

So, I'm giving it a chance yes, not decided yet on quitting or not, but it doesn't look good at this moment.

nah the only this wrong is that the non paying pple think they have the obligation of setting the standards of what the payers can be 'allowed'.

Falls - Sanctuary · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nah, the only thing wrong is that the non paying people think they have the obligation of setting the standards of what the payers can be 'allowed'.

If it is a Free to Play Game, then it is in the interest of both parties to make sure the other party is happy too. Obviously if the CSers aren't happy, then the game doesn't get paid for and the F2Pers lose out. But, if the F2P group is too unhappy, and it forces a mass exodus, were only the Cash Shoppers stay, do you really call it F2P? (Hint: Everyone who stays is paying.)

So there is in fact a balance, and it is a matter of opinion where the balance should be, but if you look around you realize that many players think it has shifted way too far, which is maybe a negative thing for PWI.

Quilue - Sanctuary · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

nah the only this wrong is that the non paying pple think they have the obligation of setting the standards of what the payers can be 'allowed'.

you speak as if everyone who is leaving is non-paying. some people spend a long time farming lunar and someone else just gets endgame gear within minutes of the event taking off? it's not even about how high gold prices are, i would actually be least affected by this, since i don't pvp, i don't burn charms, i just grind - and i grind cheap. i also have a pretty sizeable stash of coins with which to buy packs with. however, it's more like, is anything you do other than spending money in this game worth it since they'll most likely render your efforts worthless sooner or later? look at that horse mount that some have spent so long obtaining, suddenly it's available for 20gold; look at that what they did to the molds, suddenly stuff costing 10mil or so is costing 3mil, now you can get it from chips, and whats more, from free supply stash chips; look at what they did to the CV weps, the high grade shards, tomes (the tomes that can't even be made yet, how do you think this made the people who finally gathered enough coin/gold to make their lvl 5 tome feel?), etc etc etc.

almost feels like the server suddenly became a fake server, pay some money for CV wep, g-12 shards instantly woohooooo

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »

If it is a Free to Play Game, then it is in the interest of both parties to make sure the other party is happy too. Obviously if the CSers aren't happy, then the game doesn't get paid for and the F2Pers lose out. But, if the F2P group is too unhappy, and it forces a mass exodus, were only the Cash Shoppers stay, do you really call it F2P? (Hint: Everyone who stays is paying.)

So there is in fact a balance, and it is a matter of opinion where the balance should be, but if you look around you realize that many players think it has shifted way too far, which is maybe a negative thing for PWI.

The many players are non-players. We in the western worlds want everything to come cheap and in large amounts (coughcostcocough) Ive been to the jp forums in PW asia versions. They actually have a real similar anniv. pack out too. Guess what. Everybodies happy. Ya'll QQ too much, no wonder the devs cant release info on PWI as opposed to other versions who do.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

you speak as if everyone who is leaving is non-paying. some people spend a long time farming lunar and someone else just gets endgame gear within minutes of the event taking off? it's not even about how high gold prices are, i would actually be least affected by this, since i don't pvp, i don't burn charms, i just grind - and i grind cheap. i also have a pretty sizeable stash of coins with which to buy packs with. however, it's more like, is anything you do other than spending money in this game worth it since they'll most likely render your efforts worthless sooner or later? look at that horse mount that some have spent so long obtaining, suddenly it's available for 20gold; look at that what they did to the molds, suddenly stuff costing 10mil or so is costing 3mil, now you can get it from chips, and whats more, from free supply stash chips; look at what they did to the CV weps, the high grade shards, tomes (the tomes that can't even be made yet, how do you think this made the people who finally gathered enough coin/gold to make their lvl 5 tome feel?), etc etc etc.

almost feels like the server suddenly became a fake server, pay some money for CV wep, g-12 shards instantly woohooooo

Well realistically speaking you cannot expect the company to set the difficulty lvl to attain a item based on a players own experience and keep it same throughout the life of the game itself. Loss and change will occur, even for pple who spend money like water (aka BigP)

Falls - Sanctuary · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

The many players are non-players. We in the western worlds want everything to comme cheap and in large amounts (CoughCostCoCough) Ive been to the JP forums in PW Asia versions. They actually have a real similar Anniv. pack out too. Guess what. Everybody is happy. Ya'll QQ too much, no wonder the Devs can't release info on PWI as opposed to other versions who do.

Sigh, problem is that for PWI, too much QQ from their customers may result in shut down, CSers and F2Pers alike will suffer.

Also, talk doesn't matter, and telling people to complaint won't matter. Its a game. People either have fun or they stop playing. Many people aren't having fun with this update, its as simple as that.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

Falls - Sanctuary wrote: »

Sigh, problem is that for PWI, too much QQ from their customers may result in shut down, CSers and F2Pers alike will suffer.

Also, talk doesn't matter, and telling people to complaint won't matter. Its a game. People either have fun or they stop playing. Many people aren't having fun with this update, its as simple as that.

well as a zhen buyer i realize there is no definate and no absolute. I would spend only what i can afford to loose if this games shuts, personally. Its possible others might not be able to accept tho...

axy · September 2009

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

you speak as if everyone who is leaving is non-paying. some people spend a long time farming lunar and someone else just gets endgame gear within minutes of the event taking off? it's not even about how high gold prices are, i would actually be least affected by this, since i don't pvp, i don't burn charms, i just grind - and i grind cheap. i also have a pretty sizeable stash of coins with which to buy packs with. however, it's more like, is anything you do other than spending money in this game worth it since they'll most likely render your efforts worthless sooner or later? look at that horse mount that some have spent so long obtaining, suddenly it's available for 20gold; look at that what they did to the molds, suddenly stuff costing 10mil or so is costing 3mil, now you can get it from chips, and whats more, from free supply stash chips; look at what they did to the CV weps, the high grade shards, tomes (the tomes that can't even be made yet, how do you think this made the people who finally gathered enough coin/gold to make their lvl 5 tome feel?), etc etc etc.

almost feels like the server suddenly became a fake server, pay some money for CV wep, g-12 shards instantly woohooooo

This was beautiful. And your remark is a good one. I know a lot of persons that do pay on this game and still quit.

Want to know why?

Just calculate how much you real life money you have spend on this free to play game, and then compare it to the so called "expensive pay to play games". You'll see, eventually that pwi just became a money drain, and I'm so sad that this happened. However it didn't suprised me anymore after what I heard in game. Don't know if its true or not, but I've been told that the original owners of pwi sold the game.. If its true, well, then I'm not suprised of this patch, lol. Anyway, like most of the time I don't know much, so I really don't know if it holds any truth or not.

I just know there are lots of people quitting, payers and not-payers, so stop setting those 2 against each other, cause in fact both are needed to make these kind of games work. And like someone above here said: There has to be a balance were both parties are happy. Only then a formula like this can work. Unbalanced game = DEAD game.

Sad, but true..

Btw, its never gonna stop:
- First you pay for good stuff
- Then you pay for little better stuff
- After that for really good stuff
- Then amazing stuff
- After that, guess what, yes, pay again for even better stuff
- Reached level cap and so? No problem, lets just raise it to 150 or so
- And we are good to go again, pay again and start all over!

In the end, you got a lot of 00000 and 11111, just some digital fancy stuff.

Games are ment to have fun, and the makers should be payed for their hard and good work. But some really milk it out like a cow, so there is nothing left except making profit, making more profit, and making even more profit after that. And thats sad..
Think most ppl should go back a step, and go to the good old pay to get a game, play it and have fun. But hell, even those are fu.cked up, they just bring new and newer updates or versions of it so you gotta buy more, lolz..

Material world, maybe time to fix things up in Real life, instead of running into a so called Perfect Digital World where you can be whoever you want to be. It will make a lot of people more happy, and fix the debts or whatever troubles you got.. Running away isn't solving the real life issues.
- So if you are playing for an escape from the real world, then wake up, and fix your real life, because the digital one isn't better at all, and you need the real life one to let the fake digital one exist anyway.
- For those that play games for fun instead of a break from reality, well, I love games too, but its time to play them for a little and enjoy. It can't become an addiction! By the way, if you forgot it for whatever reason, try to remember it this time:

There are a lot of fun things in real life, you just have to do it and be happy. YES MAN ;-) (Movie tip, lol)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

axy wrote: »

Material world, maybe time to fix things up in Real life, instead of running into a so called Perfect Digital World where you can be whoever you want to be. It will make a lot of people more happy, and fix the debts or whatever troubles you got.. Running away isn't solving the real life issues.
- So if you are playing for an escape from the real world, then wake up, and fix your real life, because the digital one isn't better at all, and you need the real life one to let the fake digital one exist anyway.

The only pple that need fixing are the jobless ones that leech and live in their parents house, refuse to get up from their seat or do any chores, box themselves up in their room and scream at the monitor.b:chuckle

- For those that play games for fun instead of a break from reality, well, I love games too, but its time to play them for a little and enjoy. It can't become an addiction!

just a FYI.
Diff. pple have a diff. tolerance level. Same with length of interest :P cant expect someone to be abnormal or addicted because they dont fit your own time frame of play lol.

Quilue - Sanctuary · September 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well realistically speaking you cannot expect the company to set the difficulty lvl to attain a item based on a players own experience and keep it same throughout the life of the game itself. Loss and change will occur, even for pple who spend money like water (aka BigP)

yeah but you don't make this dungeon, have people farm at it for months in order to get the wep, then come out and just release the wep; you don't give this quest, make people go around and do 100 or so dqs, then make the same reward available in boutique. that's just trolling everyone.

why have the dungeons in the first place then?

axy · September 2009

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just a FYI.
Diff. pple have a diff. tolerance level. Same with length of interest :P cant expect someone to be abnormal or addicted because they dont fit your own time frame of play lol. [/QUOTE]

Well, I was only trying to help the persons that are in this position, so if you are not, then don't do irritated about it.. I never said who was addicted and who not, I just talked about the possibility so people could take a closer look to themself and decide wheter they are addicted and not. If they are and don't want to change it, well, thats their choice, all I can do is warn them and tell them there is another way out. I never even gave any time frame of play or didn't compare it to my own, so don't start thinking you know what I try to say if you don't understand it or misunderstood it. I never attacked someone here, and I won't unless you attack me, and then it will be just once, cause I hate topics were people just act like little children and argue the whole time. Hope we can all act like adults and TALK about it, not flame or do stupid about it.

Btw, this post is about what Zoroastra said, goodbye to pwi and reason why. Nothing else..

Quilue understands it, can't be said of some other people that are posting here and talk about a lot of things that have nothing to do with it:
"yeah but you don't make this dungeon, have people farm at it for months in order to get the wep, then come out and just release the wep; you don't give this quest, make people go around and do 100 or so dqs, then make the same reward available in boutique. that's just trolling everyone.
why have the dungeons in the first place then?"

=> PWI gamaplay = ruined with new patch for many people, payers and not-payers
=> Zoro says goodbye to all persons in game because of that reason

Thats as far as it goes, stop flaming or talk about whatever. And if you have a problem, then just fix it! If you don't have a problem, then don't bother about it.

BTW: There are more ppl that need to fix their life, don't think in a small box, its not just the people that live at home, lock theirselves in their room and refuse to grow up. Think bigger please..

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

yeah but you don't make this dungeon, have people farm at it for months in order to get the wep, then come out and just release the wep; you don't give this quest, make people go around and do 100 or so dqs, then make the same reward available in boutique. that's just trolling everyone.

why have the dungeons in the first place then?

Hmm... where to start...
ok well, this is an event item. Its a bonus. You have to admit grinding for 1month (sit on **** and clickity click) is way easier than working for several days out of game. Thers a reason why some pple DONT use real money and charge zhen to buy gold. Thats because they know real money is worth way more. And most likely much more in the long term.
The ones who are wagering their real money are the ones who are putting in a bigger risk in my opinion. Its like a gamble. You put in more, you can walk away crying or you can walk away with big cash. In PWIs case even if you dont get the rare items you can sell/trade the tokens for money. In a real gamble of harsh reality you walk away empty handed. The game is much more lenient in a way but you just cant expect complete fairness in a situation where real money is the main factor. Because this money is worth much more and comes from labor (most times not that enjoyable) and is the basis of what keeps us alive, in a house, clothed and fed, while the labor and hard work in PWI basically comes from playing around with time you can and choose to spare.
"I worked hard in this game for these xxx items". No, they did not. They just played alot and the 'work' put into the game was also part of the 'play'. They did not wager/risk/give up using anything that would be used to keep them alive.
In a free game where u have items that you can buy, there will be uber events like this every so often. For the horse mounts, well they just had to make way for the old i would guess, since there are much more that we dont have atm. For the endgame items that came in the pack this time, so far this is the first and after 1 whole year. I would think this is pretty acceptable if its a once a year pace like this. The jolly jones made some impact on the economy but they certainly werent rare or uber as mostly all of them were buyable or attainable previously (excluding jiaozi and food, but the cube of fate had tradable items that surpassed jiaozi to start out with)
Most of the change that PWI implemented, they waited nearly a year to do this. Even in paying games, items previously worth alot and hard to gain are updated after about a year, lowering the prices or adding easier ways to get it. Ive seen in other pay games items worth millions go down to a mere 50k because of new things/ways to obtain it be added.
This is a business. If they plan to change things and the way they are obtained later, do you think they will get profit worthwhile if they announced a potential change a few months before? It would not be fair for them as a business to reveal their layouts just to keep kids happy with their 2009 online version multi nintendo game.
The only pick i would have with this event this time around is that the time frame is really long. Maybe a weekend sale would have sufficed, if not at most a week or so.

(lol at my big wall of text)

axy wrote: »

Well, I was only trying to help the persons that are in this position, so if you are not, then don't do irritated about it.. I never said who was addicted and who not, I just talked about the possibility so people could take a closer look to themself and decide wheter they are addicted and not. If they are and don't want to change it, well, thats their choice, all I can do is warn them and tell them there is another way out. I never even gave any time frame of play or didn't compare it to my own, so don't start thinking you know what I try to say if you don't understand it or misunderstood it. I never attacked someone here, and I won't unless you attack me, and then it will be just once, cause I hate topics were people just act like little children and argue the whole time. Hope we can all act like adults and TALK about it, not flame or do stupid about it.

Do you get this hyped up because someone sneezes on u? :P Chill out. Stop thinking every comment that doesnt agree with you classifies as an attack.
Go read the Class forums, then youll be able to tell the diff. whats a real attack and whats not.

axy · September 2009

You forgot something..

The endgame items they now give away after a "huge" one year in your opinion, are only just obtained by a few people that worked a lot for them and see all the work vanish away in a few minutes. We are not talking about just some hours of fun gameplay.. We are talking about months and months of irritating and hard grinding to achieve a goal. When they finally just realised it, they discover all the work was for nothing. It was most likely all spare time yes, but I don't expect you to understand it.. I will never really understand it either, because I'm a high level, but not that far yet, and seems its a good thing, but I can look at it from their perspective and understand their frustration.
Bye the way, for me its easier to work a few hours, and spend the money I made with that in game, than to grind for it a very long time.. However I don't know if thats the case for everybody offcourse.

Point is: paying persons take risk yes, and should be rewarded with extra things, as long as there is still a balance. Otherwise you can't call it a free to play game..
I'll make a free to play shooter game otherwise, like this:
- everybody can play for free with a pistol
- whoever pays, gets snipers or whatever weapons to one shot the others while they can't even see them yet.
=> Sounds fair to you?
No, everyone should be able to play most of the things that are in game, paying persons should only get a little extra. More damage, more defense, more beautifull stuff, or whatever.. But not something thats way too different so you can never make it up, not with skill, or with lots of gaming..

So again: Zoro tried to say
- Goodbye to all friends
- Game is unbalanced now, thats why I leave, like many others
=> I just tried to say she is right, and that I hope things will even out and pwi can celebrate a second and third or even higher anniversary later on. Like I said before, pwi was the best f2p mmorpg ever, its a shame to see that change and let it rest in peace soon..

And yes, I do know what real attacks are, I so hate to read those threads.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · September 2009

axy wrote: »

You forgot something..

The endgame items they now give away after a "huge" one year in your opinion, are only just obtained by a few people that worked a lot for them and see all the work vanish away in a few minutes. We are not talking about just some hours of fun gameplay.. We are talking about months and months of irritating and hard grinding to achieve a goal. When they finally just realised it, they discover all the work was for nothing. It was most likely all spare time yes, but I don't expect you to understand it.. I will never really understand it either, because I'm a high level, but not that far yet, and seems its a good thing, but I can look at it from their perspective and understand their frustration.
Bye the way, for me its easier to work a few hours, and spend the money I made with that in game, than to grind for it a very long time.. However I don't know if thats the case for everybody offcourse.

That is the big question.
Would they rather play 'work' in game for a month and grind and run instances to get the items? Or would they want to work for a month to buy zhen. Most pple might choose to grind because money is worth more than something to spend on a meager game, and yet they want the game to favor them to a degree that THEY can put up with. It is like insurance. They could have had 2 paths to take, the paying path and the nonpaying path. If you choose one path and it does not end with as much satisfaction as you thought it might, you cant ask for compensation when no one forced you.
This is like fat pple suing McDonalds for 'making' them get fat. Guess who chose to get their food and complain about the outcome that resulted from their choice. mcDs does not have the responsibility to stop sales, nor cut back on the number of food for them

Point is: paying persons take risk yes, and should be rewarded with extra things, as long as there is still a balance. Otherwise you can't call it a free to play game..
I'll make a free to play shooter game otherwise, like this:
- everybody can play for free with a pistol
- whoever pays, gets snipers or whatever weapons to one shot the others while they can't even see them yet.
=> Sounds fair to you?
No, everyone should be able to play most of the things that are in game, paying persons should only get a little extra. More damage, more defense, more beautifull stuff, or whatever.. But not something thats way too different so you can never make it up, not with skill, or with lots of gaming..

You forget that This event does not =100% satisfaction for zhen buyers its based on total luck. Ive seen pple pay just 20$ and get a lunar. If you cant even pitch out 10-20$ OR, work the economy so you can gain coins to trade in for at least ONE chance for a packet, OR grind to get money to trade in for packets, you really cant complain. Your just wanting something for doing nothing. This event ends Oct 1. Non payers have more than enough time to work the market or grind to get a couple of packets. Getting hundreds of packets will NOT get u more rare items. I can say this cause i did this... If pple need to complain, they need to complain about their own luck. Mine sucks.

enjoy a less laggy server

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