Is it too late?

IHorizon - Dreamweaver · September 2009

To become a support cleric at lv50?
My stats are pretty bad and I just want to be a support cleric for TW and such.
I also need to know if my stats are horrible, which I think they are.

Vit=40
Str=30
Mag=190

I trained Plume Shot to 10, Great Cyclone to 10, Thunderball to 1, Siren's Kiss to 1, Razor Feathers to 1, and Wield Thunder to 1.

Any suggestions, concerns or whatever is greatly appreciated.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

"suport cleric" .....

>.>

IHorizon - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

"suport cleric" .....

>.>

Cleric that supports others.
Ya know, doesn't worry about DD'ing those silly little bosses.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Cleric that supports others.
Ya know, doesn't worry about DD'ing those silly little bosses.

so in short u wana be a "FSC"?

>_>

Frijolero - Sanctuary · September 2009

As long you haven't placed any points on dex, you're still good.

Just keep pumpin' Mag all the time and only put points on Str when required... and lvl up Razor Feathers too... and obviously max your healings, Ironheart beign your first priority.

IHorizon - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

so in short u wana be a "FSC"?

>_>

Yes, I suppose. Full support, yes. b:victory

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

As long you haven't placed any points on dex, you're still good.

Just keep pumpin' Mag all the time and only put points on Str when required... and lvl up Razor Feathers too... and obviously max your healings, Ironheart beign your first priority.

What about Vit? And, IH is at level 9 right now, I was told about that thankfully at a lower level. but the first heal is worthless. Why razor Feathers? I was told that was a bad skill

Frijolero - Sanctuary · September 2009

Vit is ok. Although there's an issue on the fuorum if a cleric should spend some points on Vit, it'll hellp you not to be 1-shotted or killed by a boss AoE. I don't think it's critical to recover those points, but if you wanna do it, you could wait till higher levels or when you have spare money to buy the reset scrolls.

Razor Feathers and plume shot are your only physical damage spells. Al others are metal damage dealers. I think a sparked RF can 1-hit kill any robe wearer player and for me is better have'em maxed. RF is also a good combo opener when fighting low phys resistance mobs. just watch it's AoE when attacking a group of mobs.

IHorizon - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Vit is ok. Although there's an issue on the fuorum if a cleric should spend some points on Vit, it'll hellp you not to be 1-shotted or killed by a boss AoE. I don't think it's critical to recover those points, but if you wanna do it, you could wait till higher levels or when you have spare money to buy the reset scrolls.

Razor Feathers and plume shot are your only physical damage spells. Al others are metal damage dealers. I think a sparked RF can 1-hit kill any robe wearer player and for me is better have'em maxed. RF is also a good combo opener when fighting low phys resistance mobs. just watch it's AoE when attacking a group of mobs.

Ahh, then I will keep Vit at 40 for now I suppose, maybe reset it later, and I will start training RF a little I guess, even though I am looking more down the road of being a Support Cleric. Thanks for the help. ^^

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, I suppose. Full support, yes. b:victory

FSC is not a good build.....without atacks u must alway rely on others.....i do nto see that working

IHorizon - Dreamweaver · September 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

FSC is not a good build.....without atacks u must alway rely on others.....i do nto see that working

That is what friends are for. (:

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That is what friends are for. (:

>.>.....as a cleric u shoudl be able to solo something....like in rebirth lol

Miasora - Lost City · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That is what friends are for. (:

i love that

btw...

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To become a support cleric at lv50?
My stats are pretty bad and I just want to be a support cleric for TW and such...

a support cleric !?... that's my daily job ^.^

i'm kinda a squad based full support (def/ att) cleric... with an hybrid la build

as you said before... dont worry about it, a support clerics are always needed... no matter in fb, bh, hh, bosses or later on tw etc... yeah, ppl (any classes) love us ^.^

so, as from my own experience... what i'm doing now as a support cleric... all we need are:

1) Build
before we can support others, we have to take care of ourself... an easily died clerics are failed -_- so, decide your build as early as possible.
about your current skill points... is OK! it seems, that you're a vit build, keep it up. to be able to KEEP supporting others/ our squad we should have an HIGH SURVIVABILITY, so the builds for FSC are LA or VIT, which make us live longer (fact: HH70 1-3 2nd boss, Drum, can 1 hit kill any robe clerics easily with his phys AoE)

--> so, keep your skill points up, it's not too late... 4 mag 1 vit on every level is best, or 8 mag 1 vit 1 str on every two levels (add str points ONLY to make you able to use the newest armour

remember, the higher your mag points = the higher HP you can heal (also the higher your attack damages).
as an addition, you can put either garnet or citrine shards on your armours to support your survivability even more ^^

2) Skills
it should be no doubt about it...

--> max (Level 10) your Ironheart Blessing as soon as possible !!!
never level up your Purehearted is just useless.
about Welspring, you can level it up a bit, when your Ironheart is maxed already to quick heal.

--> learn Chromatic Healing Beam and Storm of Rejuvenation (advanced heal).
Chromatic Heal is our only aoe heal (later on there's also BB), so if you're being in squad often it's a must to have. just, level it up later... its lvl 1 is ok for now.
while Rejuvenation is the advanced version of Ironheart... get it, it's just awesome xD. it heals INSTANTLY + over time... but, as for chromatic, get lvl 1 and level it up later.

--> max your Revive !!!
no comment... it's just obviously ^^

--> about attack skills... MAX your Plume Shoot and Great Cyclone... and that's enough!
with maxed of both of them, you're ready in any battle situation to save your life.
use plume to kill magic mobs and cyclone for physical one.
DONT bother to level up any other attack skills, such as Razor, Siren, Thunder (or even Tempest later on)... they're Level 1 is enough.
with your high mag points, plume and cyclone gonna do high damages enough to kill mobs, to complete your quests ^.^

--> Buff and De-buff?... try to max all of your Buff skills, let your De-buff untouched.
so, for your own life and your squad... try to level your Buffs in this order:
i. Vanguard Spirit (since you're robe, you need more phys def)
ii. Spirit's Gift (its maxed give you 70% more magic attacks also heals)
iii. Magic Shell (more def wont hurt ^^)
vi. Celestial Guardian Seal (level it up later on, since it needs many spirits)
and if you have some spirits left... learn/ UPGRADE them, i mean learn the squad buff, which last for 1h too ^^

--> Level up and get BB, Blue Bubble (Regeneration Aura) as soon as you finished your spirit culti on lvl 59.
this skill is VERY important to save ALL of your squad's life against any AoE Bosses... it's my favourite

btw, you can also learn RB or Tempest later, when you have enough spririts and coins ^^

3) Experiences
train your skills, and get more experiences... join any random squad sometimes, to learn any players moral and squad situation and combination.
the best way to do them is by doing any FB, BH, HH over and over again... because in dungeons, you'll somehow be FORCED to use your best skills, to save you and your squad... to get your goal ^.^

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aaaaah... that's all for now, i'm tired

you can ask me anytime for more ^.^

btw, i'm marshal on my guild... and as cleric, i'm doing dungeons (fb, bh, hh, bosses or etc.) like min 6x daily... i also asked by my friend to help them sometimes.
my point is... people LOVE any (experienced) support clerics and they're very thankfull to have you ^.^

so yeah, nuff said... cya

ps: find out MORE about your skills... and have fun to support others, like i did ^.^

also thanks for reading :P

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary · September 2009

There is no such thing as a "full support cleric". If you truly want to become "FULL support", dont ever get any attack skills and see where that leads you.

Slake - Lost City · September 2009

DO NOT BECOME a so called "FSC" it isn't necessary. There are plenty of guides that discuss what skills to lvl early on and what to leave til later, and you will just as effective as a so called "FSC" but be very capable on ur own.

Also, GET UR DEBUFFS, they are time and life savers especially in a party. You can just leave them til lvl 1 til later.

Skimi - Dreamweaver · September 2009

for me support kinda means heals and attacks
if party don't need that much heals then there is nothing else to do for you except dd
with keeping squad healed + dding you can support your squad better than only healing or only dding

Miasora - Lost City · September 2009

LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is no such thing as a "full support cleric". If you truly want to become "FULL support", dont ever get any attack skills and see where that leads you.

what do you think i am... ?

full support cleric is just the opposite of full attack cleric... while FAC gonna max all Attack Skills and De-Buffs, we're FSC would max Revive, Heals and Buffs.

plus: i never had a problem finding any squads ^.^

btw, you're right...

OF COURSE we also NEEDS attack skills too... to do our quests etc.
that's why, i advised him to max plume and cyclone... and also to get other attack skills as well.

btw, i have Wield Thunder Level 7 myself at the moment, and i'll keep leveling it up... for PvP

oh and let me add... i'm not just a full support defender, but also attacker cleric too. i'm proud that i can tank (low level) bosses and fb... or just to be a DD ^^

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anyway, that was all an advice from me... you can accept it or not, i dont care... i'm just glad, if i can be any of help ^.^

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ps: i'm agree with Slake... learn De-Buffs Skills and leave it on Level 1 for now... it COULD be very usefull ^.^

oh... and MAX your Plume Shell too... it's another life saver... against phys mobs... or even PKer :P

FatherTed - Dreamweaver · September 2009

If you only want to play half the class, it's really never too late. Full support clerics require fewer skills, not more.

ChronicDose - Harshlands · September 2009

No need to be full support, you should be able to max buffs, have good level heals and have a few maxed attack skills for your level.

I am a support cleric but I can also DD, I have lvl 10 Plume, Cyclone and Razor Feathers, lvl 9 Wield Thunder ( will be 10 at lvl 80) lvl 10 Metal Mastery, lvl 6 Tempest. Razor feathers is not useless, I waited until level 60 to use it though, as at that point I started aoe grinding with BMs and Barbs and doing extra dmg in between heals saves them repair costs and makes it a bit more interesting, just be smart about aggro, I also don't heal aoe grinding BMs' I heal on the ground to get more dmg out of razor feathers, and it will help you learn how aggro works and know what to do when you see a mob switch aggro from the BM/Barb to you when the BM/Barb misses an AOE.
I am also LA so it is a lot easier not to die to physical attack mobs like the ones I aoe grind, but max plume shell will save you anyways even if you are robe.

I have lvl 10 IH, lvl 10 of all buffs and the group buff except for hp/mp regen which is level 9, lvl 10 Plume Shell, lvl 7 Stream of Rejuv, lvl 8 Chromatic Healing.

There is just no need to focus on one part, you will be able to max many skills like I have at later levels, it is good to focus on maxing the important ones.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

Miasora - Lost City wrote: »

what do you think i am... ?

full support cleric is just the opposite of full attack cleric... while FAC gonna max all Attack Skills and De-Buffs, we're FSC would max Revive, Heals and Buffs.

so in short -.- "FSC/FAC's" are half of a cleric -.-...lol basicly a fail

i pity u....

DIT: i just saw i wrote the same as above lol.....

Miasora - Lost City · September 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

so in short -.- "FSC/FAC's" are half of a cleric -.-...lol basicly a fail

i pity u....

DIT: i just saw i wrote the same as above lol.....

yes, you're right lol xD

we'll only play the half of cleric as FSC/ FAC... but we're not failed ~

as for dentist, which is (maybe) only 10% of doctors...

"maybe we can't do much, but we can do more"

yes, we're a specialist.

... and a specialist/ an advanced/ an expert is better than an average, right?

hehe ^.^

peace

edit:
have you ever read Cayeon's Guide on FAC?

he stated it... just like i feel it myself now, as FSC...

we're NOT failed...
no matter what people call us...
we have decided our gameplay and build...
to be FAC, FSC, LA, VIT, MAG or etc...
and we're PROUD with it.

so, my last comment to this thread:

Choose your gameplay and build to WHATEVER YOU WANT/ LOVE to play it

of course, there's always advantage and disadvantage from each of them...
but once you decided... stick with it, improve your skills and get your GOAL!

cya ^^

tanjina · September 2009

FSC or FAC... those 2 don't really exist.

There are people that level attack skills first (ok - i hope you are leveling at least enough heals and buffs to heals yourself) and leave reviving at lvl1 and call themselves FACs

FSC is what people expect clerics to be - to have all the heals and buffs maxed out, but unless you have a constant quest partner, you have to get at least some attack skills.

Because of deciding what to level first - clerics have constant problems with spirit. But then magnificent fb59 comes with the big spirit reward and everything starts to go more easily (unless you level your genie only with spirit).

So later on basically everyone is able to level all the skills - attacks and heals and buffs and debuffs,... (except of the sucky ones) - there are still some so called FAC (how appropriate name) that have lvl1 of reviving at lvl70... not because of spirit or coin problem - it's because they like label themselves as FACs :-) and think that is the only way not the get called on the other side of the map by a friend for a rez.
I respect those who prefer to attack and make me the main healer (healing can get quite boring) - but please - level reviving - not even at lvl90+ all the people have angels.

What are the differences in cleric builds are:

- light armor clerics - if you want higher phys. defense - have to sacrifice vit and magic - but you are not hit as hard by any phys. attacker (pvp or pve) than the arcane ones. I tried - liked being not so squishy - hated everything else. Made a reset and am now arcane (pwe server)

- vit based arcane clerics - puts lots of stats in vit - sacrifice magic for it (weaker attack and weaker heals) - good survivability but only because of higher hp, but you kill slower so you may get hit more - but very useful in any aoe situation when you are there just to heal or hold BB with tons of incoming mobs (zhen, rebirth,..)

- mag based arcane clerics - puts less of stats into vit and mainly into mag - have to get more HP with refinining and putting citrine shards into every hole possible

- i hope there aren't any heavy clerics :-) would be fun to see one running around with double axes :-)

ALL of them put into STR and DEX just as much as the equiped weapon/armor needs. So it's just a game of VIT and MAG distribution.

So called hybrids are not anything special as for example someone that puts more into mag can have as much hp as someone more hp oriented if he puts shards and refines.
Maybe there are some clerics that have their VIT at 5? I would call those Full Mag clerics :-) Good luck to be of any assistance in fb69.
And if there is one that has only as much MAG as the weapon requires and everything else in VIT - i would call him Full VIT (but I wouldn't like to get heals from him).
Everyone else is then a hybrid.

And lots depends on armor (after getting TT70 armor usually you start playing with that). More magic you get from sharding and refining a weapon and finding good magic rings. More vitality you find from refining armor and putting citrines in armor sockets (sadly this is where you can also see the difference between the rich and the poor - but you can get good refines only with ingame coins - just have to work a bit more)

So no - at lvl50 it's not too late as long as you don't have anything in dex (if you aren't a light armor cleric). And then just play with mag and vit.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

just stop freaking calling urself "FSC/FAC" -.-

Frijolero - Sanctuary · September 2009

Full Support cleric: Maxed Blessing of the Purehearted
Full Attack Cleric: Maxed Thunderball

Full Support Cleric: "k, this dude knows what to do with his class"
Full Attack Cleric: "ZOMG! this dude's gonna get us all killed!! Why U didn't roll a wiz darnit!"
b:laugh b:victory

Bagoly_ - Sanctuary · September 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Full Support Cleric: "k, this dude knows what to do with his class"

^I hope this is just a lame joke.

FSC: onebuttoncleric... well... in exceptional cases twobuttoncleric

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

Frijolero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Full Support cleric: Maxed Blessing of the Purehearted
Full Attack Cleric: Maxed Thunderball

Full Support Cleric: "k, this dude knows what to do with his class"
Full Attack Cleric: "ZOMG! this dude's gonna get us all killed!! Why U didn't roll a wiz darnit!"
b:laugh b:victory

i wont say u need teraphy but i wil definetly recomend it......

andracil · September 2009

Right, I just read the entire thread. Stop the FAC/FSC discussion now, or I'll have to close this. We all know what happens to threads about those.

ColdSnow - Dreamweaver · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yes, I suppose. Full support, yes. b:victory

What about Vit? And, IH is at level 9 right now, I was told about that thankfully at a lower level. but the first heal is worthless. Why razor Feathers? I was told that was a bad skill

No, you ate totaly fine with your stats. Just make sure your stats cover the armor requirement of your current lvl (check also gear for your next lvl). I know many clerics who are lvl70 and have like 50 vit only. They decided to live with it tho and stopped to put attributs on it, since clerics can heal themself . Just make sure you have shards (physical defense) if you think of the same. Add them to armor b:victory not to weapon tho lol. Anyway i m lvl78 cleric and have 83 on vit. I dont need to do RB gamma tho, but if you ever suggest it, you need with lvl70+ RB Gamma 3k hp or 2,7k hp and over 1k physical defense.
Good luck!
ColdSnow

Frijolero - Sanctuary · September 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

i wont say u need teraphy but i wil definetly recomend it......

I don't suffer of insanity. I enjoy every moment of it

@Bagoly, Unfortunately, I've met a lot of non clerics players with that point of view.

Alyyy - Sanctuary · September 2009

they started it -_-

MiniFace - Lost City · September 2009

Everything looks fine.

At lvl 55 I have had no reason to raise my Vit above 25, I planned to have it capped at 30 when I was lvl 40 but have had no need for it.

It will definatley be needed when, or if

, I get to do TW or something, and Pking etc.

Uhh. If you want to be a FULL support cleric focus on IronHeart and Buffs, leave the hp/mp regen buff for last.

Then move on to debuffs.

I've maxed Plume Shot, Cyclone, IronHeart, Phy def buff, Mag def buff, Spirits gift is lvl 9. Hp/mp regen is lvl 3 lol.

So I guess im support aswell, but there will be times when no healing/buffing/debuffing is needed and you will be expected to help kill mobs so dont forget that.

Opaline - Dreamweaver · September 2009

IHorizon - Dreamweaver wrote: »

To become a support cleric at lv50?
My stats are pretty bad and I just want to be a support cleric for TW and such.
I also need to know if my stats are horrible, which I think they are.

Vit=40
Str=30
Mag=190

I trained Plume Shot to 10, Great Cyclone to 10, Thunderball to 1, Siren's Kiss to 1, Razor Feathers to 1, and Wield Thunder to 1.

Any suggestions, concerns or whatever is greatly appreciated.

I don't see why you think this is horrible. Looks as good as any build I've seen. And I've seen plenty of worse ones believe me. You've also raised the right skills imo.
In TW you'll probably mostly be going around rebuffing everyone after they respawn or healing the barb with the catapult. So just make sure your buffs are as high as they can be and your IH and WS heals are also maxed.
Also I found that plume shell and chromatic seal to be really useful for saving yourself and slowing opponent barbs.

Is it too late?

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