Who is more expensive Cleric or Venos

MystiMonk - Sanctuary
MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Cleric
Who is more expensive Clerics or Venos with exception of Venos with Legendary pets.I refer you to this thread.http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=393562&page=4
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And the point of this thread is?

    oh yea, gives me +1 post count. b:cute
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  • iceknave
    iceknave Posts: 236 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Veno with Legendary Pets: Low variable costs, high fixed costs.

    Cleric: High variable costs, low fixed costs.

    Weapon wise, the cost is about the same as they use similar weapons. Armor wise, the cost is about the same as they use similar armor. The difference comes in the need for potions and other healing devices (I'm assuming from a pve perspective rather than a pvp/tw perspective as pvp and tw are both hellishly expensive if you want to do well in). The favored build, espeically early on is playing as arcane, relying on killing enemies at range, so the repair bill is moderate, but not insane.

    For a veno, nature grace, soul transfusion, and metabolic boost can pretty much cover 80+% of the time for mp/hp related issues, so the need for potions is relatively light.

    In comparison, a cleric guzzles mp potions like some people drink alcohol. Either that or use apoth to make the powders to keep their mp up.

    The major expense for veno if they choose to go the legendary pet route is getting enough cash for a herc/nix, while a cleric doesn't need to blow so much cash for one major piece of equipment.
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  • Torsay - Sanctuary
    Torsay - Sanctuary Posts: 210 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    If you have put the same effort into veno that you have put into your cleric so far you would be far beyond the point where you are right now.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And the point of this thread is?

    oh yea, gives me +1 post count. b:cute

    What class cost more those in in Veno forum are saying they and I have read that Clerics are.Why did you post anyway?

    ^Yeah I probably would be as I can grind up against 10 lvls higher.
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  • Slake - Lost City
    Slake - Lost City Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Venos cost ALOT less, u don't necessarily need the best weapons/armour or legendary pets to be able to do things that clerics do, plus they have low repair bills and low charm (if at all) and potions usage. By the time I hit lvl 40 on my veno i had over 1 mil in coins and that was after upgrading several skills and pet skills. I know i haven't lvled it much higher but I know several venos who spend literally nothing while grinding, killing bosses, etc.
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  • pand0ra
    pand0ra Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I must point out that most venos that spend the 20m+ (w/e price) on a legendary pet are then able to grind and make enough to buy the second legendary pet, then a third.. (so it's more like an investment than a cost)

    And to compare, I can spend a gold MP charm per day or 2 playing my cleric.

    So off the top veno is more expensive for the legendary pet, but after 6~7 months I realise I might've spent the same amount in gold charms for my cleric..
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    some ppl forget that legendary pets dont eat water,... they need expensive foods
  • pand0ra
    pand0ra Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And with a tome or christmas blessing you don't need to feed them that often, only when they die and when you first get the pet. Plus you can farm your own pet food if you know which mobs to fight.

    Pet food does not compare to the price of a mana charm for a cleric IMO anyway.

    rinuruc wrote: »
    some ppl forget that legendary pets dont eat water,... they need expensive foods
  • Ninnuam - Sanctuary
    Ninnuam - Sanctuary Posts: 1,086 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And some people forget you can buy a tome for 500k which keeps your pet permanently fed. Providing you don't completely and utterly fail, you shouldn't have to spend much on loyalty.

    On topic: Speaking as a 9x cleric and an 8x veno, venomancers pretty much don't have costs.

    The only people who will say venomancers have costs are people who only have a venomancer as their only char.
    "Skills are expensive." Reality check, other classes have skills too, most of which they actually have to max, unlike a veno who has like 10 skills they actually need (speaking for the cookie cutter caster build which 90% of the venos use).
    "Pets are expensive." Once in a lifetime fee of 20-30 mil for a herc, which you don't actually need but are expected to have because it became a social norm. Boo hoo. When I actually played actively I spent that much on gold charms in little over a month.
    "We gots to buy expensive food." QQ moar and stop failing so hard. Daily barb repair fees cost more than you should be spending on meat in a week.

    Needless to say, they cannot even begin to comprehend the day-to-day costs other classes have, especially barbs and clerics.

    Take grinding for instance. Thanks to metabolic boost, nature's grace and soul transfusions, venos don't need charms or pots. At all. I got mine to 86 without ever using one. Hardly any repair fee as you seldom get hit. No ammo costs. Any and all drops you get result in pure profit.

    As a cleric, you need mana to grind. Cheapest source of mana is a gold mp charm, which costs 500k. By the time it's gone, when you add in repair fees, you're lucky if the drops leave you with any profit at all, most of the time you just about break even.

    Then you have TT. A gold mp charm lasts me on average 3 2-3 runs, 2 if we don't have a veno to tank some of the bosses. So every 3 runs, a veno saves 500k compared to a cleric. And when you start farming TT on a daily basis thats a whoooole lotta munies a veno saves in comparison to a cleric. Not to mention it's usually us who get to heal their soul transfusions.

    Long story short, day-to-day upkeep costs of a cleric are nearly enough to fund a legendary pet every month. So the next time a veno tells you they have (high) costs - bitchslap them.
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  • Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear
    Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And some people forget you can buy a tome for 500k which keeps your pet permanently fed. Providing you don't completely and utterly fail, you shouldn't have to spend much on loyalty.

    On topic: Speaking as a 9x cleric and an 8x veno, venomancers pretty much don't have costs.

    The only people who will say venomancers have costs are people who only have a venomancer as their only char.
    "Skills are expensive." Reality check, other classes have skills too, most of which they actually have to max, unlike a veno who has like 10 skills they actually need (speaking for the cookie cutter caster build which 90% of the venos use).
    "Pets are expensive." Once in a lifetime fee of 20-30 mil for a herc, which you don't actually need but are expected to have because it became a social norm. Boo hoo. When I actually played actively I spent that much on gold charms in little over a month.
    "We gots to buy expensive food." QQ moar and stop failing so hard. Daily barb repair fees cost more than you should be spending on meat in a week.

    Take grinding for instance. Thanks to metabolic boost, nature's grace and soul transfusions, venos don't need charms or pots. At all. I got mine to 86 without ever using one. Hardly any repair fee as you seldom get hit. No ammo costs. Any and all drops you get result in pure profit.

    Long story short, day-to-day upkeep costs of a cleric are nearly enough to fund a legendary pet every month. So the next time a veno tells you they have (high) costs - bitchslap them.

    That depends on if you are content to be a squishy cheerleader for a Herc or if you are a Veno who can tank a boss yourself if need be and is not afraid to mess it up with a group of baddies. You are talking about just one kind of Veno who is mostly designed to solo and honestly IMO probably the most boring build in the entire game outside of maybe Archers. (lol Archers = Hit Combo button, mob dies, hit combo button, mob dies, repeat)

    But even speaking as a Fox Veno my repair costs are not as high as a Barbs (because I kill things a lot faster than they do LOL and get missed a lot) and with Leech & Soul Transfusion I do not need Pots or Charms of any sort. So in the end even still I am much cheaper to play than a Cleric.

    I also have both characters and my Cleric eats MP charms like they were a favorite cookie and while my Veno can destroy them even faster she has never NEEDED them a day in her life while my Cleric MUST have them. The two cheapest classes are still Archer & Wizard though. If played right they never take a hit and never need Pots or Charms so all they have is Weapon Expenses which are pathetically low.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    veno = cheaper. Who else has a 25k repair in a complete gamma run? b:cute
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    veno = cheaper. Who else has a 25k repair in a complete gamma run? b:cute

    You do as well as BMs.I thought it might be higher.
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  • Eclipse - Dreamweaver
    Eclipse - Dreamweaver Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    its extremely cheap for both classes really if u farm herbs, especially in hell b:chuckle
  • Gfox - Lost City
    Gfox - Lost City Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I haven't played in a while but my general experience with clerics was this.

    -AOE grinding poison mobs did not affect repair cost nearly as much as regular mobs.

    -AOE physical mobs w/ BM was cost effective(no repairs+ powders)

    -HP charms weren't neccessary(heals duh)

    -alot of lower end HH and FB stuff could be done without charms

    -ironheart healing did not cause attack mode to be on; therefore, MP regen on ironheart was 4x everyone elses.

    -selfbuffs and passive skill increased damage, increased average MP regen, decreased damage taken.

    -collecting sets of gear helps(MP-regen/grinding set, HP-boosted/Battle set)

    Venos(from observations and friends)

    -easier ole **** n' smash grinding(no repairs + MP+HP regen skills duh)

    -AOEgrinding is limited to smaller scales and needs a herc

    -profits from HH are a joke

    -HP charms are still neccessary to cushion the impact of ambushes(man or beast).

    -high costs from pets,pet skills, and special foods.

    In conclusion, price is dependent upon how you play the game not which class you have.
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    That depends on if you are content to be a squishy cheerleader for a Herc or if you are a Veno who can tank a boss yourself if need be and is not afraid to mess it up with a group of baddies.
    In conclusion, price is dependent upon how you play the game not which class you have.
    Big IF.
    You guys get a choice. We dont.
    As long as there is someone out there attacking that is non-pet, our mp drains whether its a potion or a charm. Every cleric that has gone TT2-2 and up will look at you like you belong in the loony bin if u say cost is a matter of play.
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  • Forp - Heavens Tear
    Forp - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,445 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    if was was a matter of play i suck. when i was farming 90 armours for guildies in the past i went through hieros like they were free(b:cry b:surrender)

    sometimes i wish i had real life money to throw into this game. maybe i'd play it again if i could afford it.