? for all you Wiz Know-it-Alls (Concerning build...)

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

When I get obsessed with a game, man, I get obsessed. Lol.

I'm making an LA build wiz, completely LA since the very beginning because I did a lot of research on all these forums and found that these are the best types of wizs for pking later on, and that the game is really fun with this type build, and so far it is

But I have a few questions. I'll try not to write too much though, haha, and get straight to the point.

I have this crazy idea. My idea is that when I am going to be PKing other wiz's when I am level 80 and up, I'm sure that the most types of wiz's I will battle will be LA builds, since they are so popular for pking. I'm just curious, since spells do SO much more dammage than phys, why do I need to put that 1 skill point in str every time?

I mean, I have light armor and so far the requirment for str for them is 10 and my str is 17 or 19 or something, so I could have put those points in mag, vit, or dex, and any of these three would help me against other LA type build wiz's, correct? I don't even use phys damage unless I'm completely out of magic.

So why don't I just use that 1 skill point for str every level and dump it into magic for more damage? or Dex for more crit hits and nonmisses? or vit for more life?

So I guess my questions are:
1, is that even reasonable? or am I such a horrible noob that I'm just totally ****? lol.
And 2, if it is reasonable and a good idea, how would dumping that extra skill point in each different one benefit me? can i get some examples? (dumping that point in vit every time would do this, mag would do this, and vit would do...)
And finally, 3, would it be smarter to put that extra point in each important attribute and take turns? (for example, putting it into dex one level, then mag next, then vit, then around again), or would only one attribute work best? (and of course, put it into str when i need it for my next armor...)

And then just keep my str as low as possible for the light armor I need?

Thanks guys, sorry I made this so long lol.

and btw, how do I get a perment teleacoustic? i had one but it said it was consumed and I only used it once. I have plenty of money, how do i buy silver? or get it? or convert it?

Bowlinbob - Lost City · August 2009

im not a wiz or LA but about the perm. telecoustics,

There is no such thing, sorry.

And LA gear requires a certain ammount of str. and dex to be able to wear it.

I am not sure what the build is for LA but i thought it was 1 dex, 1 str, 3 mag every lvl. If you have extra str somehow, just add str and dex when you need it to wear your next LA piece of armour.

bigxbear · August 2009

to wear light armor of ur lvl for every lvl, u need to have 1 str and 1 dex per lvl

for more complicated explanation: ur dex for Light armor should be : (ur lvl + 4)
and same for ur str : (ur lvl + 4)

and to use a magic weapon of ur lvl, u need to have 3 mag and .5 str per lvl:
[ ur mag should be (ur lvl * 3 + 2)]
[ ur str should be ({ur lvl +5}/2)]

so all in all:
ur mag should be (ur lvl * 3 + 2)
ur str should be (ur lvl + 4)
ur dex should be (ur lvl + 4)
and ur vit shold be at 5

for exp: if ur lvl 50:
ur mag should be 50*3+2 =152
ur str should be 50+4 =54
ur dex should be 50+4 =54
and ur vit should be base =5

so all in all:
per lvl u should put ur stats:
1-str, 1-dex, 3-mag

and since u only get 5 points per lvl, u have no points remaining for additional vit

but imho i'd go AA w/ pdeff shards and some hp shards.
the only difference is at end game:
LA has only a little more hp, and about 5-10% more crit
AA has alot more base dmg, alot more pdeff and mdeff
so 500-800 more hp isn't worth the 10-12% dmg reduce loss to me =/

but its ur wiz, so u can do as u want and experiment ^^

deathlift · August 2009

^ at the end, you're comparing an AA with hp and ppdef shards to a regular LA. compare it to a LA with also pddef/hp shards or however the person wants to add on to their gear. in the end they are pretty equal depending on what you want out of your character

bigxbear · August 2009

i'm comparing AA w/ pdeff and hp shards, and LA w/ full hp shards(as all guides say to put all hp shards in and the average LA wiz uses hp shards only)

bigxbear · August 2009

here's some stats:

AA w/ hp and pdeff shards:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=686cb8fd9a76511d

LA w/ all hp shards:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=be36edd19c34bc6e

LA w/ hp and pdeff shards: (for deathlift =P)
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5b91b779d5d68d3e

AA w/ pdeff and hp shards has about the same amout of pdeff as LA w/ hp shards, and has 11% more mdeff

as to LA w/ pdeff/hp, it has about the same hp, 6% more pdeff, and 11% less mdeff.

so really LA's only going to give u about 400 more hp, 6% more pdeff, 5% crit. but ur losing-2.5k mp, 11% mdeff, and about 3k base dmg

deathlift · August 2009

Damn, AA>LA end game

but what about lvls 1-not end game? I just started a mage a few days ago (lvl 33 now). For someone with a first character (so i'm not rich) make an LA until 9x then restat?

Adroit - Lost City · August 2009

@EmiliaGray
I think you put out a good effort trying to research your build. Some things you seem to be confused about have been answered (like how you dont have any extra points with the LA build... you need 1str 1dex 3maq every level to wear equipment of your level) but things to remember, for a wizard... strength is only to wear gear, dex should only be added to wear your gear or to get to the next crit % (you can't miss with magic atks so dont worry about that). And not every wizard is LA at 80+. Prolly closer to half and half (from my experience) and most go arcane at 90. As far as teleacoustics... there is no "permanent" one, they will always be consumed when you talk in world chat. You can buy silver by either charging zen (paying real money) and converting the zen into gold. 100zen = 1gold = 100silver (gold/silver are calculated automatically, silver is treated like a decimal for gold if you were curious). You can also go to the auctioneer and select the gold trading and trade in game coins for gold (although that is pretty expensive, and prices are set by other players that bought zen with real money, so it always changes) Hope this helps b:bye

bigxbear · August 2009

in the early game, LA proves to be better because most mobs r physical, but at around 50 or 60 (can't remember) mobs start to become magical.

in the early game LA is easier to play than AA, cause in the early/mid, LA has better rounded deff, but AA does slightly more dmg.

it would be easier to start LA and then restat at around 70-80 or even 90

Adroit - Lost City · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

in the early game, LA proves to be better because most mobs r physical, but at around 50 or 60 (can't remember) mobs start to become magical.

in the early game LA is easier to play than AA, cause in the early/mid, LA has better rounded deff, but AA does slightly more dmg.

it would be easier to start LA and then restat at around 70-80 or even 90

Go arcane until at least 60'ish, then if you are interested in pking.. you can think about restating to LA until 90.. where you'll prolly want to restat to arcane again. Arcane is much better than LA for pve.. so to get out of the pre-lvl60 wizards are a sad joke area, you'll want to level as fast as possible, and the slightly extra damage on arcane = less hits to kill a mob = faster grinding = getting to 60+ faster.

bigxbear · August 2009

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Go arcane until at least 60'ish, then if you are interested in pking.. you can think about restating to LA until 90.. where you'll prolly want to restat to arcane again. Arcane is much better than LA for pve.. so to get out of the pre-lvl60 wizards are a sad joke area, you'll want to level as fast as possible, and the slightly extra damage on arcane = less hits to kill a mob = faster grinding = getting to 60+ faster.

wat she said ^^

i haven't been in the mid game for a long time =P

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

perfect shards...in TT90 green....you're joking right?
try it out with immac/flawless and do a lvl 78 wizard.

Tell me the results then

to answer the OP
i plan on restating at 90 to pure mag
im using molder/TT gear atm
since i dont plan on getting any new armor, im adding 5 mag each level but only because im not staying LA for long :P

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

to wear light armor of ur lvl for every lvl, u need to have 1 str and 1 dex per lvl

for more complicated explanation: ur dex for Light armor should be : (ur lvl + 4)
and same for ur str : (ur lvl + 4)

and to use a magic weapon of ur lvl, u need to have 3 mag and .5 str per lvl:
[ ur mag should be (ur lvl * 3 + 2)]
[ ur str should be ({ur lvl +5}/2)]

so all in all:
ur mag should be (ur lvl * 3 + 2)
ur str should be (ur lvl + 4)
ur dex should be (ur lvl + 4)
and ur vit shold be at 5

for exp: if ur lvl 50:
ur mag should be 50*3+2 =152
ur str should be 50+4 =54
ur dex should be 50+4 =54
and ur vit should be base =5

so all in all:
per lvl u should put ur stats:
1-str, 1-dex, 3-mag

and since u only get 5 points per lvl, u have no points remaining for additional vit

but imho i'd go AA w/ pdeff shards and some hp shards.
the only difference is at end game:
LA has only a little more hp, and about 5-10% more crit
AA has alot more base dmg, alot more pdeff and mdeff
so 500-800 more hp isn't worth the 10-12% dmg reduce loss to me =/

but its ur wiz, so u can do as u want and experiment ^^

Awesome. This makes things so much simpler. What I did was add 5 to dex, then mag, then str my first three levels so for the next two levels I'm putting it all in mag, to even it out. Now it'll be pure LA.

But another question, what is AA? Is that arcane? Or Pure? And are pdeff shards and hp shards... what?

And just so we are clear, what you are saying is that in the end I'll either have 500-800 more hp or 10-12% more dmg? With that kind of hp wouldn't the LA win? Or am I wrong?

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

@EmiliaGray
I think you put out a good effort trying to research your build. Some things you seem to be confused about have been answered (like how you dont have any extra points with the LA build... you need 1str 1dex 3maq every level to wear equipment of your level) but things to remember, for a wizard... strength is only to wear gear, dex should only be added to wear your gear or to get to the next crit % (you can't miss with magic atks so dont worry about that). And not every wizard is LA at 80+. Prolly closer to half and half (from my experience) and most go arcane at 90. As far as teleacoustics... there is no "permanent" one, they will always be consumed when you talk in world chat. You can buy silver by either charging zen (paying real money) and converting the zen into gold. 100zen = 1gold = 100silver (gold/silver are calculated automatically, silver is treated like a decimal for gold if you were curious). You can also go to the auctioneer and select the gold trading and trade in game coins for gold (although that is pretty expensive, and prices are set by other players that bought zen with real money, so it always changes) Hope this helps b:bye

Yes, it does!

Where are auctioneers at?

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Go arcane until at least 60'ish, then if you are interested in pking.. you can think about restating to LA until 90.. where you'll prolly want to restat to arcane again. Arcane is much better than LA for pve.. so to get out of the pre-lvl60 wizards are a sad joke area, you'll want to level as fast as possible, and the slightly extra damage on arcane = less hits to kill a mob = faster grinding = getting to 60+ faster.

Really? This makes perfect sense, is this true? So if I did this, when I got to level 60 do I just keep it arcane? What do you mean 'restat' to LA? Sounds like a good plan to me.

Ursa - Dreamweaver · August 2009

that 10 to 12% is in PvP - meaning Player versus Player
In PvE -fighting a mob, the dmg difference is about 20-24%.

Seraphim - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Arcane hits 500ish more than Light armor at my level. This is the difference between a 700 damage and a 1200 damage gush.

On stronger spells like Sandstorm and Black Ice Dragon, the 3500 to 4000 or 2100 to 2600 damage difference is not as noticible.

In PK/PVP you will be spamming Pyro/Gush/Stone Rain or the upgraded Lv 89 versions of them.

bigxbear · August 2009

EmiliaGray - Lost City wrote: »

Awesome. This makes things so much simpler. What I did was add 5 to dex, then mag, then str my first three levels so for the next two levels I'm putting it all in mag, to even it out. Now it'll be pure LA.

But another question, what is AA? Is that arcane? Or Pure? And are pdeff shards and hp shards... what?

And just so we are clear, what you are saying is that in the end I'll either have 500-800 more hp or 10-12% more dmg? With that kind of hp wouldn't the LA win? Or am I wrong?

AA = Arcane Armor (aka robes)
pdeff shards = physical deffence shards that give u more physical deff.
hp shards = shards that give u extra hp
(u won't really use shards till about 60 or 70 so don't worry about them much till then ^^)

LA w/ end game gear has about 500-800 more hp, about 5% more critical rate, & a little more pdeff (judging they use the same shards), but does about 10% or so less base dmg, has less mp, and less mdeff compared to AA end.

i'm not saying LA is bad, it's really just 2 different playing styles that work almost as well as the other.
LA= more of a critical hit dmg then base dmg, & more of a physical deff. wiz.
AA= more of a base dmg then critical hit dmg, & more of a magic deff. wiz.

*dono if that last part helped, just woke up =P*

bigxbear · August 2009

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

perfect shards...in TT90 green....you're joking right?
try it out with immac/flawless and do a lvl 78 wizard.

Tell me the results then

to answer the OP
i plan on restating at 90 to pure mag
im using molder/TT gear atm
since i dont plan on getting any new armor, im adding 5 mag each level but only because im not staying LA for long :P

i'm not talking about mid game wiz, in talking about end, and the examples were of lvl 90 cause thats when wizs start to really shine in their power and deff.

if u want i can try to put up a very end game example w/ the best gear and shards if u want =P

Adroit - Lost City · August 2009

EmiliaGray - Lost City wrote: »

Really? This makes perfect sense, is this true? So if I did this, when I got to level 60 do I just keep it arcane? What do you mean 'restat' to LA? Sounds like a good plan to me.

Well first your earlier post you asked where the auctioners were at.. they are in the major cities (etherblade plume lost arch 1k) and you can use the coordinate assistant to find the auctioneers wherever you are. What I was saying was that 1-60 you should be arcane, at level 60, you can look at restating (if you are pure int for instance, your points would be 1str 9maq every 2 levels, and you need more strength and dex to wear LA, so you'd need to buy reset scrolls from the cash shop to 'restat' your points from maq into str/dex). Anyway, so at 60 you can choose to be arcane or LA, if you plan on doing alot of PvP, I would suggest LA until around level 90 (dont have anything against pure int, just LA is a cheap build where you can actually take a couple hits), otherwise for PvE, I'd suggest to stay arcane. At 90+ almost all the wizards are arcane, so if you were to restat to LA, just remember you'd need to restat again at 90 to go back to arcane.

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

Seraphim - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Arcane hits 500ish more than Light armor at my level. This is the difference between a 700 damage and a 1200 damage gush.

On stronger spells like Sandstorm and Black Ice Dragon, the 3500 to 4000 or 2100 to 2600 damage difference is not as noticible.

In PK/PVP you will be spamming Pyro/Gush/Stone Rain or the upgraded Lv 89 versions of them.

No idea what this means except the last part. Lol.

EmiliaGray - Lost City · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

AA = Arcane Armor (aka robes)
pdeff shards = physical deffence shards that give u more physical deff.
hp shards = shards that give u extra hp
(u won't really use shards till about 60 or 70 so don't worry about them much till then ^^)

LA w/ end game gear has about 500-800 more hp, about 5% more critical rate, & a little more pdeff (judging they use the same shards), but does about 10% or so less base dmg, has less mp, and less mdeff compared to AA end.

i'm not saying LA is bad, it's really just 2 different playing styles that work almost as well as the other.
LA= more of a critical hit dmg then base dmg, & more of a physical deff. wiz.
AA= more of a base dmg then critical hit dmg, & more of a magic deff. wiz.

*dono if that last part helped, just woke up =P*

Actually this is probably the best reply I got. Short simple, to the point. Hmm. I'm guessing if I'm going to be pking barbs blademasters and all that other jazz, LA would be better, then, right? Because that physical defense would help a lot more than that magical defense? Am I assuming correctly?

And yeah an end game examples would be great if you had the time

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

i'm not talking about mid game wiz, in talking about end, and the examples were of lvl 90 cause thats when wizs start to really shine in their power and deff.

if u want i can try to put up a very end game example w/ the best gear and shards if u want =P

ya but she isnt lvl 90..
i think examples around her level will be more helpful..
at least mid game, the part where she wants to PK

bigxbear · August 2009

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ya but she isnt lvl 90..
i think examples around her level will be more helpful..
at least mid game, the part where she wants to PK

y pk in the mid? i'd be more focused on getting to the end, rather than staying in the mid longer than i have to o.o. if u hadn't noticed, wiz's power increases ALOT after 90, and mid game is where wiz shines the least.

if u want, u can stay in the mid as long as u want, but i'd focus on lvling to 89 for holy/hell, then i'd pk (just opinion)

bigxbear · August 2009

EmiliaGray - Lost City wrote: »

Actually this is probably the best reply I got. Short simple, to the point. Hmm. I'm guessing if I'm going to be pking barbs blademasters and all that other jazz, LA would be better, then, right? Because that physical defense would help a lot more than that magical defense? Am I assuming correctly?

And yeah an end game examples would be great if you had the time

ur right, but dont forget that ur mdeff will drop and ur base dmg(ur dmg is backed up on ur increased crit rate, but the crits won't really show till high lvls)

i'll try to do the end game examples after i get home from work ^^

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

y pk in the mid? i'd be more focused on getting to the end, rather than staying in the mid longer than i have to o.o. if u hadn't noticed, wiz's power increases ALOT after 90, and mid game is where wiz shines the least.

if u want, u can stay in the mid as long as u want, but i'd focus on lvling to 89 for holy/hell, then i'd pk (just opinion)

because this
you see all your friends going out and having a good time PKing, i doubt you sit there and grind grind grind. Me and my friends actually go PK in between RBs. Get red named, RB and lose it and go out and do it again.

Adroit - Lost City · August 2009

bigxbear wrote: »

y pk in the mid? i'd be more focused on getting to the end, rather than staying in the mid longer than i have to o.o. if u hadn't noticed, wiz's power increases ALOT after 90, and mid game is where wiz shines the least.

if u want, u can stay in the mid as long as u want, but i'd focus on lvling to 89 for holy/hell, then i'd pk (just opinion)

mmm on a PvP server, you're always going to need to keep pking in the back of your mind. I get interrupted grinding all the time, and when I'm bored I go out pking as well... and I would hate to get to level 90 and not know how to pk. Gotta defend yourself when you're atk'd.. and besides, everyone's heard that you gotta enjoy the journey, not rush through it to a destination that isn't as good as you hoped. Some people like to have fun while they're leveling up :P

bigxbear · September 2009

EmiliaGray - Lost City wrote: »

Actually this is probably the best reply I got. Short simple, to the point. Hmm. I'm guessing if I'm going to be pking barbs blademasters and all that other jazz, LA would be better, then, right? Because that physical defense would help a lot more than that magical defense? Am I assuming correctly?

And yeah an end game examples would be great if you had the time

sry its a little late =P

heres A end game:
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=05c97277b62f8de7

Helm: Pheonix Dancing Headwear (lvl 95-MP Helm)
chest: Rank 8 or <Archangel's Tunic (lvl 99), HH90 Green>
Legs: Rank8 or <Archangel's wrap (lvl 99) or HH90 green>
Boots: ***Dancing Sparkle (lvl 95) or Archangel's boots (lvl 99) or HH90 gold/green
Arm: Archangel's sleeves (lvl 99) or HH90 gold/green
Cape: Cape of Elite Leather (lvl 96)
Necklace: Springrush Amulet: Chaos (lvl 95, Pdeff)
Belt: Kirin's Storm (lvl 95) or Ethereal Belt (lvl 95)
Rings: 2> Sign of Antiquity: Chaos (lvl 95)
Weapon:Ultimate Glaive : Single Butterfly (lvl 80)
Rank 8: Magic sword (wiz only)
Sinrabansho (lvl 100)

if anyone has an idea on wat to change to make it better, please do share ^^. advice is welcome.

i've yet to do LA end game ><

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