Whats better for pvp? Mountain's Seize or Blace Ice Dragon?

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demans
demans Posts: 51 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Wizard
im a lv 85 wizard, nearly every skill i have is maxed out except for my 2 spark AoEs, and i was wonderin which is better in pvp? the Black Ice Dragon does a little bit mroe damge, but the Mountain's Siege stuns for 6 secs with a 95% chance of happening 0.0 and considerin wiz only have 2 real stuns (FoW and Sofonic Whisper) was kinda leanin to maxin Mountain first. Has anyone used 2 spark AoEs much in pvp and have a lot of knowlegde on their effectivness? if So, plz let me no which one is overall better for pvp plz, ty for any advice
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    eventually you'll have to max all 3. mountain's seize is really great but 5 seconds channel is like forever... for TW and mass pking it can only be used with sutra. even the other 2 AOE attacks give a huge window for someone to sleep/stun/interrupt you.
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  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    blade tempest better for pvp imo.
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  • demans
    demans Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    well for now lets say which s better for sneak attack pvp where im a white name gonna att a red name from behind,
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    max both
    BT to 5-7

    end of story
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • demans
    demans Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    ok, i only haven enough spirt and coin to max 1 of em out atm, which one is better for killin soemone when they dont no ur gonna hit em?
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Get BT to a decent level first, then pick one of the two others and max it. Which? Up to you. I picked Dragon and I never regret it.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    You'll get all 3 eventually, if you don't, you're bad.
    Depends on what you like though, in terms of maxing first. Tempest is the best ulti early on. I use MS as a support skill, and dragon as a killer.
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  • demans
    demans Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    ya i plan on maxin all of em, just wanna no which one better to max out first in 1 on 1 pk when target doesnt no ur gonna att lol
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Unless you're attempting to bypass a hiero sutra > ultis in 1v1 pvp.
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  • demans
    demans Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    lol ya but at 89+ i get 3 sparks 99 chi and can use an ulti and sutra....
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    Unless you're attempting to bypass a hiero sutra > ultis in 1v1 pvp.
    Or just oneshotting people
    demans wrote: »
    lol ya but at 89+ i get 3 sparks 99 chi and can use an ulti and sutra....
    Honestly, I have never used this in real pvp. You blink around a lot, so getting that much chi is nearly impossible to begin with, if you're taking the fight seriously. I'm sure if you tried you could do this, but you'll hardly ever -need- it. Don't base your decision on a skill combination which will only be used once a week.


    Personally I don't like the casting time on Mountain Seize in normal situations. I fire off Dragons left and right, it's easy enough.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Ishmah - Sanctuary
    Ishmah - Sanctuary Posts: 192 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Mountain's Seize
    Channel 5.0 second
    Cast 1.4 second

    Black Ice Dragon Strike
    Channel 4.0 seconds
    Cast 1.6 seconds

    Blade Tempest
    Channel 4.0 seconds
    Cast 1.8 seconds

    If you are going to use Sutra in combination with an ultimate, then Mountain's Seize is the one that's going to benefit the most from no channeling.

    Also, a 95% chance to stun all enemies for 6.0 seconds in PvP is an incredible advantage. No need to kite about if they are sitting ducks for that long.
  • Tomiko - Heavens Tear
    Tomiko - Heavens Tear Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Blade Tempest. Nothing is funnier in PW than dropping to the ground and flattening a zhen party.
  • Haiz - Lost City
    Haiz - Lost City Posts: 646 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Mountain seize works best for a lower level mage. If you are a higher level going with tempest or dragon works better. This is because tempest and dragon are for killing, and if you are a low level then your chances are your target will not die from it. Me, I rarely use mountain seize because I can kill just about anyone with my tempest or dragon, depending on their armor type. There's no point in one second longer channeling for a stun that won't be needed because they die anyways.
  • Nurfed - Harshlands
    Nurfed - Harshlands Posts: 238 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    It all depends on the situation. For example, if i was 1v1'in a heavy and I know that all his stuns are on cool down, I would sutra BIDS after thier heiro tick. Now, on the flip side, If i know he has stuns up, I would use sutra MS instead for the 6 second stun preventing him from stunning/interrupting my sutra combo.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
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    Haiz - Lost City wrote: »
    Mountain seize works best for a lower level mage. If you are a higher level going with tempest or dragon works better. This is because tempest and dragon are for killing, and if you are a low level then your chances are your target will not die from it. Me, I rarely use mountain seize because I can kill just about anyone with my tempest or dragon, depending on their armor type. There's no point in one second longer channeling for a stun that won't be needed because they die anyways.
    Nurfed - Harshlands wrote: »
    It all depends on the situation. For example, if i was 1v1'in a heavy and I know that all his stuns are on cool down, I would sutra BIDS after thier heiro tick. Now, on the flip side, If i know he has stuns up, I would use sutra MS instead for the 6 second stun preventing him from stunning/interrupting my sutra combo.

    listen to them they know what they are talking about b:thanks
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze

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