Archer Build :)

Masteria - Heavens Tear
Masteria - Heavens Tear Posts: 3 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Archer
Hey couple of questions (I'm fairly new to PW), is it okay to add 2 DEX,1 VIT,1STR every level? Will I be able to wear the equips ect.?

ALSO- Could you give me an explanation on archer skills & what points do I add on what ect. TY :)

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  • Annor - Heavens Tear
    Annor - Heavens Tear Posts: 330 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    4dex - 1str (per level) is generally considered to be the best stat choice for archers. As for skills, as a starter, keep these skills topped up: blazing arrow, bow mastery, winged blessing, frost arrow. Use a level 1 knockback arrow. Stunning arrow and winged shell are also useful defensive abilities, and points in wings of protection are nice too. You'll notice i didnt mention any "straight damage" active abilities, they arent all that useful, gogo passives slows and stuns :).
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  • Vindictus - Heavens Tear
    Vindictus - Heavens Tear Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    please disregard 4dex+1str as being considered the best. You can play your archer also with 3+1+1 as well and be successful. In fact, it depends on what type of Archer you would like to be, tank type, hybrid or pure damage. Here is a link to the Malaysian version of PW which was released more than 2 years ago. The vocabulary is a bit different, but the icons are the exact same so it should be simple enough to figure out on what skills to choose at what level. You should be fine in choosing 3+1+1, (besides later at higher end of game you can always change your stats with a scroll or 2. ) b:bye
    So I say play how you like, dont listen to people that say there is only one way to go like most of these noobs do lol.
  • deciett
    deciett Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Playing as 3-1-1 is basically like throwing away your archer. At cap lvel you will have 1287 HP more than a pure dex build, but you're also down a large chunk of evasion and accuracy as well as nearly 5% crit.

    We're a dps class. If something wants you dead, kiss your **** goodbye anyway. Our job is to deal as much spike damage as fast as possible as often as possible.
  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    If you have not tried something how can you really know how good or bad that would be?

    I have been told that 20 points in dex reduces your damage by 1%, your evasion by 1%, and your crit chance by 1%, and some similar reduction in accuracy. Since crit chance multiplies with your base damage, and accuracy has some analogous effect this would maybe be ... something like a 10%-15% damage difference for a level 100 archer? (I am not sure how accuracy works, though, because I miss noticeably often on snowmen when I supposedly have a 100% chance to hit them.)

    Meanwhile, your extra vitality would increase your health recovery rate, and not just your total health. This could help offset that additional damage you would take from killing things slower.

    Or maybe you should cap your vitality, when you have 50. This would give you a pretty good recovery rate, and some extra health, and would not hurt your damage so badly.

    And, can you not reset your stats, if you dislike how often you get hit?

    (However, personally, I have been using 4 dex and 1 strength per level, and have only been thinking about other possibilities.)
  • Tailynne - Lost City
    Tailynne - Lost City Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    20 pts in dex INCREASES your crit by 1%, it INCREASES your damage, you can see that right away, since your damage goes UP when you up your dex. I don't know the math for accuracy and evasion, but I know they as well go up WITH dex.

    Don't listen to that dude. I started out with a hybrid archer and scrapped it. Got the pure build going now, and I'm killing things NOTICEABLY faster. But still, it **is** all in how you want to play. You want a beefier archer then have at, and enjoy man, it's just a game. You have fun however you wanna have fun. But archers about killing stuff with radical crits, you need pure build to be the best archer at killing stuff.
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  • deciett
    deciett Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Tailynne - Lost City wrote: »
    20 pts in dex INCREASES your crit by 1%, it INCREASES your damage, you can see that right away, since your damage goes UP when you up your dex. I don't know the math for accuracy and evasion, but I know they as well go up WITH dex.

    Don't listen to that dude. I started out with a hybrid archer and scrapped it. Got the pure build going now, and I'm killing things NOTICEABLY faster. But still, it **is** all in how you want to play. You want a beefier archer then have at, and enjoy man, it's just a game. You have fun however you wanna have fun. But archers about killing stuff with radical crits, you need pure build to be the best archer at killing stuff.

    Quoted for truth. I had the same experience and will vouch for this.
  • sacchin
    sacchin Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    deciett wrote: »
    Playing as 3-1-1 is basically like throwing away your archer. At cap lvel you will have 1287 HP more than a pure dex build, but you're also down a large chunk of evasion and accuracy as well as nearly 5% crit.

    We're a dps class. If something wants you dead, kiss your **** goodbye anyway. Our job is to deal as much spike damage as fast as possible as often as possible.

    Listen to this b:victory The guy telling you to use a 3/1/1 build gives a site that has a 1str/1dex/3vit build for Archers b:laugh At later levels, you get all the HP you need from +'ing armor and using HP shards. You lose out on a lot of damage for hardly any benefit if you don't go pure dex.
  • Amiris - Sanctuary
    Amiris - Sanctuary Posts: 1,167 Arc User
    edited December 2008
    Vindictus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Here is a link to the Malaysian version of PW which was released more than 2 years ago.

    Just letting you know you forgot to actually put the link.
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  • Annor - Heavens Tear
    Annor - Heavens Tear Posts: 330 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    Didnt mean to start a brawl, I thought i was fairly tactful in my phrasing ^^, but as its fairly one sided now, I'll let you guys do my arguing for me :).
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  • Blzngfsts - Lost City
    Blzngfsts - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    The standard build for archers is, yes 4 dex 1 str. But what you should really do is look at your weapons and equipment.

    Having 23 str when you only need 20 to wear your armor top is a waste of 3 points that could be put toward Dex. Pick your equipment and base your stats off of that. Rule of my archer: base Vit, base Mag, Minimum Str for Weapons and Armor, Everything (and I mean EVERYTHING else) in Dex. You get HP from equipment and HP shards with socketed gear, hp is never a problem.

    You want a hybrid, tank, blah blah blah archer w/e I'll be happy to kill you very easily with my superior dexterity :)
  • Torinchibi - Lost City
    Torinchibi - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    1. You NEED 3x your lvl to wear your highest lvl weapon. That means if you don't add 3 dex each lvl after lvl 5, you will have to wait to get your new weapon.

    2. You NEED 1x your lvl +4 dex and str to wear light armor, so same **** applies as above.

    With that said, your possible build is 3 dex,1 str, 1 w/e (either dex or vit) usually.
    Most go either 3 dex 1str 1 vit or 4 dex 1 str, but IMO alternating the 1 extra point each lvl is the best build for ppl that don't have a lot of money ingame. If you do have a lot, you can just refine equipment and add hp stones to make up for the lack of HP and it really becomes the best build 90+ when all that extra dex would mean 4%+ more crit and a whole lot extra dmg.
  • Thraxx - Heavens Tear
    Thraxx - Heavens Tear Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited January 2009
    ok im not sure what u guys mean by anythin but pure build is a loss cos i ent a pure build and at lvl55...i can quite happily take down a lvl101 mob...i wasnt even bein healed by a cleric
    so do ur own thing..i did and im happy b:pleased
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  • doomaker
    doomaker Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    it just depends on if u like to be a sniper(pure dex archer) who jus kills everything in his way as long as it doesnt have the chance to hit back,

    PROS:fast kill,maxmimum dmg
    CONS:killed in 2~4 hits(doomed against magic if they dun act fast),must be extremely cautious in GuildWars not to be backstabbed,Basicly low HP and def

    OR

    depends if u like to be a hybrid which basicly has more HP and defence and good dmg

    PRO:minimum HP and lvl def,good attack,gets better every lvl b:laugh,
    CONS:at low lvls enemies may reach them before they are able to kill them,not as high dmg as pure archers

    so its just about wat each one likes
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I had an archer in PW-MY that reached level 82.

    My archer in PWI is level 74.

    My PW-MY archer was 3-1-1, my PWI archers is 4-1.

    Level 1 to 50 is MUCH easier as a 3-1-1. And at level 50+ having a bit of VIT works great for PvE, you can take more hits and you are less likely to steal aggro. The problem lies in PvP. In PvP the 4-1 build is clearly superior. Once you get to a higher level the less DEX becomes noticeable as you damage starts to fall compared to the 4-1 build. The hp difference can be made up with refines/shards and as an archer no matter how much HP you have if you cannot kill the opponent as quickly as possible you will lose.



    But if you don't plan on doing very much PvP then go for the 3-1-1 build
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  • nelanther
    nelanther Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    The only way I see VIT helping is when you draw aggro from a boss mob. It will help you tank an extra hit.

    In PVP and PVE it is all about killing so fast you never get touched.

    As a pure dex (3 VIT, 462 DEX) I basically toy with regular mobs. They stand absolutly no chance of reaching me. And that, in my opinion is better than letting them reach you and tanking a hit.

    Now I am lucky enogh to get half my HP from refines and shards, so even on the HP side I am not too bad off (4247 HP). Perhaps a player with limited funds could benefit from a hybrid build. If you find yourself being one shotted alot, maybe add VIT and only battle in groups so other players can help you get past opponents charms.
  • DarkSniper - Lost City
    DarkSniper - Lost City Posts: 1,830 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    In PvE there are always ways you will take damage.


    A mob will ninja you, you will steal aggro, there will be AOE damage you can't avoid, etc. Im not arguing the 4 dex 1 vit builds superiority in PvP, I use it. But the 3-1-1 is good for PvE
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  • Viriilink - Lost City
    Viriilink - Lost City Posts: 265 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Nice necro, folks. Creating a debate on a topic that hasn't been posted on since January before today.
  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Don't necro please. >_>
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