Pulling really THAT hard??

Basic pulling is, as you say, pretty easy.

There's subtleties, but the basics are easy.

But... many veno's just never get taught, I guess. Never practice it, certainly.

Xymantha - Dreamweaver wrote: »

i actually never knew how to pull till I was in my 30's - didnt know it was possible. I thought the whole mob would come at me if i stowed my pet. And still others I have had to correct on their methodology now that I know. Some people seem to think that "stow your pet" mean to "press follow mode"b:angry

That's true too, it requires a bit of trust the first time you try it that the person telling you how to do it isn't just having an elaborate joke at your expense.

And yes, "Put your pet away" and "Bring your pet back" are confusingly similar.

I've found that most venos problems with luring falls under one of the following:

1. veno really dont know how to lure at all, which means watch out for when all the mobs come running at you. b:shocked

2. veno send the pet in & put him on "follow mode" (which someone alrdy pointed out), also means watch out & run your **** off to stay alive.

3. veno send a pet w/ bramble on (ie:herc) into the mobs & then stow it, also means run your **** off b/c they just pulled everything there.

4. veno send the pet in & it doesnt actually hit the mob, b/c they stowed it to quickly. this 1 can have mixed results, sometimes all the mobs come at you, others just the one, or none come at all.

5. veno send the pet in & it dies, this also has mixed results, sometimes all will come, sometimes just the 1, or none at all.

6. & last but not least, veno sends pet in & stows properly, however the veno is to close or doesnt run back far enough to get the mob far enough away from the others. thus when the tank/dd/cleric/whoever goes to catch it they also get aggro of all the other mobs bring them to the squad.

All these situations can be avoided with time & practice on the part of the veno. But even then people still make mistakes.

b:chuckle Like when I was pulling Wurlord in tt2-1. We were killing him for the 3rd-4th time & our cleric had dead so was coming back from town. I was playing around dueling the barb with my herc & all his pet skills on when the cleric came back. So I'm like ok lets do this, I find Wurlord & send my herc in. They all hit him like usual, I stow my herc & run back. I turn around to make sure barb has boss only to see like 7-8 different ones coming at the squad. Thats when I realized that my herc brambled them all. Needless to say it was a full party wipe. b:surrenderb:embarrass

b:chuckleshame on you all i know how to lure and u dont? shame on you twiceb:chuckle

The real simple way: Tame Pet. - Even worked on 2 Eden bosses so far (one by accident -lol).

I think you can remove the buff by stowing the per away and then calling it - before the lure.

What I recommend is to practice pulling, I used the Taurox Enthusiasts to practice on.

Try pulling one then try pulling one from far away, through a couple others, till you feel comfortable with the timing of send, recall, re-summon, attack.

I think Herc Skills are really only needed for the bosses and tanking a large group o mobs.

Personally I wouldn't use a Herc for pulling... For aggroing a bunch and tanking them all, sure.

actually a "good" veno can lure any of those ways and not have anyone get hit. its a matter of knowing the pet, knowing the mob(s), positioning, and timing.

in parties tho i really hate being the lure, because i unsummon, i run behind the tank.. tank either just sits there saying DUH or cant seem to grab the mobs aggro.

personally i prefer to drag (hit follow) when possible, because i dont trust others to catch the mob or boss before i get hit, they never do, and i either die or waste charm.

I've never found luring to be that hard, using the unsummon method, but I also have found that there is a genie skill that Venos could use to make it much easier on them. It's the Earth 7 skill "Earth Strand". It's an instant ranged Freeze you can even use while resummoning your pet. It's most effective on Melee mobs, but you can use it on others as well. I'm always helping other Venos in the party with it, because usually, someone else is playing catch. Gives the barb, or me, since I'd rather have another Veno lure when I'm using my Herc, a couple more seconds to react and grab the mob before the pulling Veno becomes lunch.

tweakz wrote: »

But doesn't a "good" veno have a pet out to take aggro?

Sure. But some monsters run STUPIDLY fast. And have range. There's really nothing that you can do to stop, say, skeleton archers, or things with increased movement speed, from getting in one hit before your new pet hits them.

I much prefer a trusted barbarian though.

Wurlurd? We've just been pulling his archers away before taking him on. What's special about pulling him?