Restating as LA cleric

Hayate - Harshlands
Hayate - Harshlands Posts: 2 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Cleric
I'm a pure magic cleric right now, and I'm thinking of restating to LA, would anyone provide the proper build for a LA cleric?= )
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  • Mavado - Harshlands
    Mavado - Harshlands Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    o_O i had been told that Arcane is better, what makes you want to restat? I want to know so that i don't get to high levels and want to restat XD
    >_< I'm a wizard in disguise... you know like the old cartoon... except with less robots and more fire/ice/rocks....
  • Hsuzumiya - Sanctuary
    Hsuzumiya - Sanctuary Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Pick out your la gear you want.

    Reset your mana points.

    See how much str/dex the gear needs.

    Add the bare needed stats. Left over points put back into magic or even vit.

    Stat wise is..... 1str 1 dex, 3 mag.

    And aim for tt or gold gear that gives dex and/or crit.

    Sak.light and such is a good weapon choice as an example for a LA Cleric,
  • Lessein - Sanctuary
    Lessein - Sanctuary Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    la clerics are just pointless.
    weak attacks, weak heals.
    Youre a cleric, your purpose is to heal, why limit your most important ability?
  • Bagoly_ - Sanctuary
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary Posts: 252 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »
    la clerics are just pointless.
    weak attacks, weak heals.
    Youre a cleric, your purpose is to heal, why limit your most important ability?

    She's on a pvp server.
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bagoly_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    She's on a pvp server.

    so am i, and i agree with him, LA is useless imo
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    LA clerics can be an alternative. Healing is lower than a pure, but anyway clerics are using points in vitality so it should not be a huge diff.
    LA brings the extra HP and Pdef the cleric needs, and the buffs compensate in part for the lack of mdef on LA.
    All in all, on PvP server, I see this as a good alternative, why not?
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  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »
    la clerics are just pointless.
    weak attacks, weak heals.
    Youre a cleric, your purpose is to heal, why limit your most important ability?
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    so am i, and i agree with him, LA is useless imo

    You are edit: both ****. Vit arcane and LA Clerics are the only two viable PVP builds.


    How do I have such gimped magic attack when an arcane cleric my level who is vit has maybe...maybe 400more magic attack then me: PVP = 100 more dmg per hit,
    A pure might have 700-1000 = 175-250 more dmg per hit in pvp.
    I have 7% crit 62% resists in both physical and Magical defense (ALL)
    I have 3.2k hp unbuffed.
    -12 Channelling

    I crit what seems like every 10 hits(obviously not statistically but seriously it seems after every 3rd debuff I crit), and I kill high 7x barbs and BMs with ease while they beat on me. 8x Barbs have barely any chance to kill me, and BMs only if they are good players and can stun lock me.
    I will admit killing 8x barbs in HH gold is near impossible, but it makes it funny when they cant even kill a 7x cleric.

    Archers don't have nearly the chance to gank me as my pdef is higher then archers my level.

    It simply requires:
    NO VIT!
    Bare minimum Dex and Str ( For current level LA)
    All rest into Mag.

    Refine and Shard with Citrine and go for HP bonuses on gear, usually is better the +vit bonuses as for a cleric 1vit = 10hp(The lowest per for a class)
    Have BOTH: Sets of Magical defense belt and necklace and Pdef belt and necklace.
    THIS ->>>> Sak.light and such is a good weapon choice as an example for a LA Cleric
    I have Sak +3


    Show me one cleric 7x Robe cleric that can beat me on HL and I will say that arcane is better. None have even come CLOSE.

    One danger :( - 8x+ Wizards if they are good, the lower Mag defense then robe clerics makes them hard to fight...except they are pretty much the least used class sooo...I don't care.

    Oh and I have decided at LVL 77 to wear one arcane piece, Sleeves of Sea Captain as they are -6 channeling and so I can have a bit higher magic resist -21 channeling by 78.

    Ive had 200 hours since low 7x so don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about 50% of my play time is pvp.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I'm just saying, LA in my opinion is useless, I tried it, and you sacrifice so much for so little difference in phys def, with weaker magic defense.


    if u knew how to play a cleric you would survive just as easily as LA vs. physical mobs/ class's.

    Calling me an idiot for stating my opinion just proves that you are too immature for this discussion.
    Your heals are weak: FACT
    Your Attacks are weak: FACT

    Me vs my lvl LA Cleric, I will win 9/10 fights
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    LA sux its low dmg low def and ewerything


    i dont see 1 good point in LA
    Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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  • Mothergoose - Sanctuary
    Mothergoose - Sanctuary Posts: 1,320 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm just saying, LA in my opinion is useless, I tried it, and you sacrifice so much for so little difference in phys def, with weaker magic defense.


    if u knew how to play a cleric you would survive just as easily as LA vs. physical mobs/ class's.

    Calling me an idiot just proves that you are too immature for this discussion. Your heals are weak: FACT
    Your Attacks are weak: FACT

    Me vs my lvl LA Cleric, I will win 9/10 fights

    Even in pve, LA provides some benefits in certain situations, namely bosses with physical aoes. With bb, it takes around 3000hp for an arcane character to survive tt1-2 sb, 4000hp for tt1-3 sb, 5000hp for rb gamma final boss, 10000hp for glacial wrath in Frost. LA characters, on the other hand, survives them easily regardless of hp. The difference between survival and death is far from useless. It's only a matter of if you do those instances often enough to justify rerolling LA.
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm just saying, LA in my opinion is useless, I tried it, and you sacrifice so much for so little difference in phys def, with weaker magic defense.


    If u knew how to play a cleric you would survive just as easily as LA vs. physical mobs/ class's.

    Calling me an idiot for stating my opinion just proves that you are too immature for this discussion.
    Your heals are weak: FACT
    Your Attacks are weak: FACT

    Me vs my lvl LA Cleric, I will win 9/10 fights

    Did you just READ my post?? what the **** what % is your Pdef dude??? Put your mouse cursor over your pdef what is the %?

    And then tell me what the % is for Mag Def

    Learn some math and figure this one out: The higher your def gets # wise the less it affects the % of dmg reduction on your armor....

    This is because there is a Horizontal asymptote I believe somewhere between 80%-90% reduction because obviously no one could have 100% reduction or no one would do dmg.

    I bet you anything you have around 20-30% pattack reduction
    and somewhere from 70-80% for Magic reduction..
    I am basing this PURELY off mental math but seriously tell me so Ill know.

    So I have 33% more reduction of physical attacks even IF you have 30% reduction..
    and your Magic attack reduction is only 17% higher if you have a max of 80% Reduction which I HIGHLY doubt.

    Do the math....Which % difference will help more when 4 1/2 of the classes use Physical attack:

    Cleric - Plume and Razor , Barb, BM, Archer! Veno's Pet = 1/2 :P

    LOL You must just be to noob to understand this if all this math and logic doesn't sway your opinion.

    Vit Clerics or Hybrid Clerics- The only other VIABLE pvp builds (Otherwise you have like 1.8k hp and get oneshot) just don't do THAT much more dmg....as I said even with 1000 More Magic attack then me you'd only do 250 more dmg per hit in pvp, which is nothing AND I will crit 5 times as much.

    Also, I am a support cleric but I have all my attack skills maxed for my level, and max metal mastery.

    Tell me your HP unbuffed, dmg reduction and your magic attack and when I get home from work Ill post mine, then these new players can compare and see which one they want.

    I said both builds are viable, I attacked you because you said they were "useless" which is IMO retarted.

    Edit: You can quote me on this:

    "I roll up and smoke arcane cleric's my level."
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ive never tried rb or frost, but I manage to survive in 1-2 and 1-3 without too much trouble. But for the most part with enough hp, arcane to me is the better solution. I have about 3200 hp unbuffed with next to no refines, i plan to +3 or 4 my 80 gear with beautiful citrines instead of average.

    For the ego maniac above this post:

    Also have around 1700 or 1800 phys. def with my cleric buff. which i believe is 40%

    My mag def is around 68-70%

    If you call me noob for going Arcane you are totally wrong, I survive quite well vs any physical class.
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    ive never tried rb or frost, but I manage to survive in 1-2 and 1-3 without too much trouble. But for the most part with enough hp, arcane to me is the better solution. I have about 3200 hp unbuffed with next to no refines, i plan to +3 or 4 my 80 gear with beautiful citrines instead of average.

    Also have around 1700 or 1800 phys. def with my cleric buff.

    LOL Dude I SAID %!!!! That matters WAY more then the number.

    What is the % of 1700-1800.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »
    LOL Dude I SAID %!!!! That matters WAY more then the number.

    What is the % of 1700-1800.

    i was editing it, read please.
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    ive never tried rb or frost, but I manage to survive in 1-2 and 1-3 without too much trouble. But for the most part with enough hp, arcane to me is the better solution. I have about 3200 hp unbuffed with next to no refines, i plan to +3 or 4 my 80 gear with beautiful citrines instead of average.

    For the ego maniac above this post:

    Also have around 1700 or 1800 phys. def with my cleric buff. which i believe is 40%

    My mag def is around 68-70%

    If you call me noob for going Arcane you are totally wrong, I survive quite well vs any physical class.

    LOL sorry then, Ill do a run down for everyone then...this is good because we are very close in level.
    Id like to know your hp to.

    Bob - 40% Physical Resist - 68-70% Magic Resist - Unknown HP
    CD- 62% Physical Resist - 62-63% Magic Resists - 3.1k unbuffed

    I think you proved my point.

    To bad you can't come to HL so I could "roll you up and smoke you" XD
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  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    screnie plz or u didnt prove anything
    Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    screnie plz or u didnt prove anything

    Ok..I will, but I am at work. So please wait for 2 hours 15 minutes.
    You are fail if you think I am lying :) Why would I lie to prove a unused builds - i.e. LA cleric are actually completely feasible and good if you have the combination of the right skills/gear.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »
    LOL sorry then, Ill do a run down for everyone then...this is good because we are very close in level.
    Id like to know your hp to.

    Bob - 40% Physical Resist - 68-70% Magic Resist - Unknown HP
    CD- 62% Physical Resist - 62-63% Magic Resists - 3.1k unbuffed

    I think you proved my point.

    To bad you can't come to HL so I could "roll you up and smoke you" XD

    lol, tbh i hope the OP is reading this, then she will notice how immature you are, thus how idiotic your build is.

    Im sure you have refined/ HEAVily sharded your gear with hp, I have not. and already have 200 more hp than u *i have 3275 hp* i rounded doen to 3200 in earlier post.

    Besides you are just comparing our defenses, you havent touched your attack range, probably for good reason.

    I honestly can't tell you my mag. attack because i dont have it memorized, I'm at work.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »
    LOL sorry then, Ill do a run down for everyone then...this is good because we are very close in level.
    Id like to know your hp to.

    Bob - 40% Physical Resist - 68-70% Magic Resist - Unknown HP
    CD- 62% Physical Resist - 62-63% Magic Resists - 3.1k unbuffed

    I think you proved my point.

    To bad you can't come to HL so I could "roll you up and smoke you" XD

    What 3.1kHP unbuffed??? Please tell me how'd ya get that with LA on that lv lols
    b:dirty
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    lol, tbh i hope the OP is reading this, then she will notice how immature you are, thus how idiotic your build is.

    Im sure you have refined/ HEAVily sharded your gear with hp, I have not. and already have 200 more hp than u *i have 3275 hp* i rounded doen to 3200 in earlier post.

    Besides you are just comparing our defenses, you havent touched your attack range, probably for good reason.

    I honestly can't tell you my mag. attack because i dont have it memorized, I'm at work.

    Immature? How is logically approaching a question with facts and numbers IMMATURE? You came in here with no argument whatsoever simply saying this build was "useless" while I came and delivered the OP information that she/he can use to his/her benefit?

    I don't want to start flaming but here are some ideas Bob.

    Learn Math - Get a Dictionary - Grow up.

    And yes I am at work as well that is why I haven't quoted my specific magic attack.
    I will do an estimate it is 3.7-4.4k dmg.

    3.1k Hp unbuffed using - Shards, I think most of my citrines are beauts except for my cape.
    My highest refine is +3 on my sword and on my Mold LA leggings. everything else is measly +1 +2
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What 3.1kHP unbuffed??? Please tell me how'd ya get that with LA on that lv lols

    like i said hes probably high refined, which if is the case, my hp would own his phys def difference If i had the same refines.
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    like i said hes probably high refined, which if is the case, my hp would own his phys def difference If i had the same refines.

    High Refined?? On one piece of armor I have +3?? Dude.. WTF are you talking about...

    How would an additional 200-400hp if you had these "high" refines make up for the 20% difference in our Physical attack defense?

    Do this math... even IF you managed to get +400 HP with refines on 3.3k Hp is only a measly 12% more hp vs the 20% reduction advantage I have on you....Jeez people are ridiculous.
    MATH: 3300 / 400 hp x 100 to get % = 12.121212121%

    I even think arcane build is good its just you have to say LA sucks so Im going to blow you away with every number I have.
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm just saying, LA in my opinion is useless, I tried it, and you sacrifice so much for so little difference in phys def, with weaker magic defense.


    if u knew how to play a cleric you would survive just as easily as LA vs. physical mobs/ class's.

    Calling me an idiot for stating my opinion just proves that you are too immature for this discussion.
    Your heals are weak: FACT
    Your Attacks are weak: FACT

    Me vs my lvl LA Cleric, I will win 9/10 fights
    Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LA sux its low dmg low def and ewerything


    i dont see 1 good point in LA
    Lessein - Sanctuary wrote: »
    la clerics are just pointless.
    weak attacks, weak heals.
    Youre a cleric, your purpose is to heal, why limit your most important ability?

    Do your home work a bit more, LA is far from useless. Great PvP build. Takes some more work then Arcane but aint that bad at all.
    b:dirty
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »
    Immature? How is logically approaching a question with facts and numbers IMMATURE? You came in here with no argument whatsoever simply saying this build was "useless" while I came and delivered the OP information that she/he can use to his/her benefit?

    I don't want to start flaming but here are some ideas Bob.

    Learn Math - Get a Dictionary - Grow up.

    And yes I am at work as well that is why I haven't quoted my specific magic attack.
    I will do an estimate it is 3.7-4.4k dmg.

    3.1k Hp unbuffed using - Shards, I think most of my citrines are beauts except for my cape.
    My highest refine is +3 on my sword and on my Mold LA leggings. everything else is measly +1 +2

    the way you are talking is immature, I just said my opinion that LA was useless *and most clerics would agree* and you bash me for it.

    and if i +2's my gear and had beautifuls instead of average, my hp would be close to 4000 which surpasses your phys def by far
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    the way you are talking is immature, I just said my opinion that LA was useless *and most clerics would agree* and you bash me for it.

    and if i +2's my gear and had beautifuls instead of average, my hp would be close to 4000 which surpasses your phys def by far

    his 60% p.def with 3k HP owns your 4kHP when it matters the most.

    Please stop fighting cause you are wrong about LA clerics.

    <---not a LA but seen awesome LA clerics at work b:victory + math does not lie
    b:dirty
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    his 60% p.def with 3k HP owns your 4kHP when it matters the most.

    Please stop fighting cause you are wrong about LA clerics.

    <---not a LA but seen awesome LA clerics at work b:victory + math does not lie

    ok how? seriously. if a bm hits about 2000 at most on me with 40% def with 4000 hp.. so with 20% more reduction as LA is 400 less damage

    so not sure how 1,000 more hp is worse than a measly 400 less damage.

    Edit: not to mention that that crappy 400 less damage only applies to physical attacks, your even squishier magic def wise.
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    the way you are talking is immature, I just said my opinion that LA was useless *and most clerics would agree* and you bash me for it.

    and if i +2's my gear and had beautifuls instead of average, my hp would be close to 4000 which surpasses your phys def by far

    Go read all my posts.
    How in any way are they immature. I may have insulted you but that is not "Immature"

    Here is a quote from a magic book I told you to go look at if you want to make more useful commentary : THE DICTIONARY:

    Immature :
    : lacking complete growth, differentiation, or development <immature fruits> <a sexually immature bird> b : having the potential capacity to attain a definitive form or state : crude, unfinished <a vigorous but immature school of art> c : exhibiting less than an expected degree of maturity <emotionally immature adults>

    How in any way is
    A)using logic and numbers and making an attempt to expressing myself with the least amount of possible grammatical and spelling errors.
    B)Insulting someone who obviously doesn't read my posts/understand the basic facts I am posting/ says untrue things like: "LA Clerics are useless"
    C)Being totally fair and even agreeing I think Arcane clerics are great, just for different uses, and they have their weaknesses...believe me.

    I have been the most mature in this situation, Bob, your perspective is obviously flawed so I forgive you....you have a lot of growing up and learning to do, get to it!
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ChronicDose - Harshlands wrote: »

    You are edit: both ****. name calling = immature

    Did you just READ my post?? what the **** what % . <- attempted profanity = immature

    Learn some math <- just rude

    LOL You must just be to noob <- more name calling

    Also, I am a support cleric <- lol at this

    "Bob, your perspective is obviously flawed so I forgive you....you have a lot of growing up and learning to do, get to it!" my perspective isnt flawed, you just cant see how great arcane is compared to LA.


    "roll you up and smoke you"<- another stupid comment XD

    10chars blah blah
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    ok how? seriously. if a bm hits about 2000 at most on me with 40% def with 4000 hp.. so with 20% more reduction as LA is 400 less damage

    so not sure how 1,000 more hp is worse than a measly 400 less damage.

    Edit: not to mention that that crappy 400 less damage only applies to physical attacks, your even squishier magic def wise.

    Thats 400 less dmg by every hit, thus in a long run better then HP.

    Every build sacrifices something to gain something in return. LA takes bit from m.def to p.def making it better vs psy based classes such as BM, barb, archers.
    And that does not make it squish to mag attacks so much.

    This little fines matters allot in a PvP server, and thats why you are wrong about LA....

    Not to make LA sound godly, Arcane pwns but it pwns in a different way then LA so you cant compare it that easy and personal play style is one of the key factors in that choice ^^
    b:dirty
  • ChronicDose - Harshlands
    ChronicDose - Harshlands Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    10chars blah blah

    Insulting someone can be immature if there is no reasoning behind it, I had good reason.

    You are deemed noob by me because of your lack of understanding of my obviously logical posts.

    LOLing at me beign a support cleric................................................
    Ill last through a lot more physical aoe then you on ALL of the instanced bosses, I level up all the right heals, your 3.3k hp with 40% reduction is not enough to solo cleric all of these.

    I use IH, Stream of Rejuv and Though a lot of clerics don't I use a high level chromatic heal so I don't have to BB so early.

    I have BB and RB....and I usually play a healer, I dont play as "FAC" because I enjoy playing with the cleric mindset, ask anyone I party with.. I don't let people die or come close.

    "Roll you and and smoke you" and Obvious pun/metaphor/insult in one related to one of my very obvious hobbies if you understood my sig mixed with the fact id roll you and smoke you literally if we pvped.

    I thought it was quite intelligent.

    You are deemed handicapped troll. I am going to stop because any more effort on my part would be even more of a waste of time, as this has already been. I hope the OP takes my input and makes an Intelligent decision based on facts.

    I hope this helped XD
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