For All The New People....

Oddly enough, I think the exact opposite of you. Compared to the other MMO I've played for a long time, this game requires far less research and much more straightforward. It honestly feels like cheating that I can do something as simple as mouse over an item to know what NPC I'm looking for or what it's used for, or auto path to an NPC, or have access to a free game database with an easy search, or even be able to

It sounds to me, more like you were trying to take it to a pet manager rather than to the pet skill trainer that offers the quest. The description in the boutique even says take it to the pet trainer, not the pet manager.

Not in this game you don't.

If you took it to the pet skill trainer, why does your initial post say Pet Manager?

I found NO pet manager with the little yellow box above her head. My boyfriend was pretty narked I had to get him to sort it and he told me "oh btw the pet managers are a bit bugged for the extra pet cage so you have to go to a special pet manager

You said it 3 times right there. All pet skill trainers ask for a cage, they also all offer the pet bag extension quests. There's also only one skill trainer in arch, everything else is a manager, so you didn't go to a skill trainer.

However, one thing I would say they could most certainly do and would probably be welcome, is for would be that if you have a boutique item that involves a quest, for the quest to pop up in your find quest window (preferably at the top), that might help people find what they need.

One that always intrigued me is RB squads. There's always a complaint of "it's impossible to find a squad", yet no squad will accept anything other than a highly "experienced" member. Considering there's an almost insane demand for experienced RB'ers and literally no one willing to help the inexperienced, it's not much wonder really O_o

How do you get experience if no one helps? I've had answers like youtube and read guides o.o ....try telling that to the next squad shouting for party members.... "hey man, you ARE fully experienced right?" "Oh yeh no prob, never done it but watched youtube a few times, so we ready? "

Ran into this same issue myself. I've had three ideas, but haven't done any yet. Mostly since in the last month I've only seen two WC's asking for venos for it.
One: Lie and say you're experienced then tell them the truth once it's too late. After the run you really are experienced.
Two: Tell them they can either stand around for an hour looking for someone with experience, or take you, tell you how it goes, and then have someone with experience to use in the future saving them lots of time.
Three: You can tell the truth and simply say, by asking for experienced people they're not making any progress, maybe they need to take others so they can do it rather than stand around shouting for people.

Blancheneige - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's true that this game is seriously lacking a comprehensive downloadable/printable game manual.

That may be true, but apart from really high lvl stuff, you can pretty much find an answer to any question in mere seconds (alright maybe a minute) thru the use of numerous accurate and comphrensive websites. Whoever put pwdatabase together is an absolute legend btw b:thanks

O_o everytime i felt lost in this game i found the answer from other players, forums.... u can ask ingame at common chat im pretty sure that someone will reply u.........

pasted from Cage description: Function: A Pet Trainer can use this to extend the capacity of your pet bag. Adds 1 slot to your pet bag.

U got guides at PWi web http://pwi.perfectworld.com/guide, database http://pw.rob-soft.com/m1in.php

Is more hard for high levels find info and those high levels gave us a lot of info as and example Ence with quest guides http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=76941

AprilLove_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just to let ye know, that in order to play this game properly, get ready for hours of research. PW is not just about playing the game, but most of it is about going from link to link in the forums to understand various things in the game. I hope you have the patience for the whole research thing XD

Example 1: I lost a lot of money the other day in that cube place because i didnt spend HOURS researching about it here. Never had to do that on any other online game XD

Um, wouldn't simple logic say that there should be something wrong if someone is telling you that there is a perfect place for easy experience? And by the way, it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to get on the official PWI site, the official PWI forum, their quests subforum, their official quest help database sticky, where there's a link to a topic about Cube of Fate.

You know, there's a whole lot of things to express what you did. There's Did Not Do Research, "RTFM", "RTFMF" and a few others.

Aoe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yup it's called laziness. This game doesn't take much effort to find anything out.

I don't think it's laziness. Her posts have all been dripping with bitterness, and she lashes out at anybody who doesn't agree with her that the whole world is against her. I'd say what we have here is classic "entitlement" issues.

AprilLove_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just to let ye know, that in order to play this game properly, get ready for hours of research. PW is not just about playing the game, but most of it is about going from link to link in the forums to understand various things in the game. I hope you have the patience for the whole research thing XD

Example 1: I lost a lot of money the other day in that cube place because i didnt spend HOURS researching about it here. Never had to do that on any other online game XD

Example 2:Today i spent 2 gold for a pet cage and had to walk around Archosaur for AGES trying to get my extra pet slot and I found NO pet manager with the little yellow box above her head. My boyfriend was pretty narked I had to get him to sort it and he told me "oh btw the pet managers are a bit bugged for the extra pet cage so you have to go to a special pet manager in West District". I asked him "how did you know that? How the heck are we supposed to know that?" He said a friend told him as his friend had spent HOURS reserching the forums to explain about this bug.

So new guys, dont be "ignorant" like I have been and be prepared for the amount of research you have to do to play this game LOL.

You might feel like the only victim here and that this research was complied by all knowing beings but guess what. These guides and what not you find all around the forums were comprised of people who learned it the hard way so that YOU don't have to. Whether you take advantage of this or not is up to you. GL and happy QQ-ing..i mean, hunting b:bye

AprilLove_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just to let ye know, that in order to play this game properly, get ready for hours of research.

Or get ready to mess up a lot. In my case, I tend to seek out games where failure is at least amusing. As its commonly called on roguelike newsgroups "Yet Another Stupid Death". Granted there aren't a lot of amusing ways to die in this game (like kicking a stairway on a roguelike and having the entire dungeon level collapse, or standing on an altar and a humanoid enemy sacrifices you), but at least it provides some fun. I'd have quit long ago if every single thing were handed to me. It simply isn't fun anymore at that point.

If, on the other hand, you're the type who can't play a game without reading the strategy guide front-to-back at least once, that's fine too. Just don't come complaining to those who "provide" the strategy guide in the first place if you accidentally skipped something.

Usually I DO research and study class builds, types, etc before I play a game like this.

This time I didn't, and no only did I find out everything I needed to know by level 20, what I didn't find out was easily accessible on the forums, and what I messed up is super simply fixed.

This game is very straightforward.

I disagree. This game is better than most in terms of getting into it.
You don't even need to read a manual or do a tutorial to figure out how to do most things.
And the quest logs pretty much tell you exactly where you need to go to do anything.

If you want more hand holding, then Ether Saga I found can be played practically while in a coma. Just click on hyperlinks in the quest log and you autopilot to exactly where the mobs you need to kill are. Then fire off your macro to kill the needed amount. Then hyperlink back to the npc.

If you're so bitter about this game, it's probably best that you stopped playing. This game is pretty straightforward and any information that isn't readily available in-game can be easily found here on the PWI and MY-EN forums in just minutes (not hours, as you stated).

WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »

I don't think it's laziness. Her posts have all been dripping with bitterness, and she lashes out at anybody who doesn't agree with her that the whole world is against her. I'd say what we have here is classic "entitlement" issues.

Lol Warren i stand corrected, I wanted to say just this but couldn't find the words. Although i don't know wth she feels entitled too. How freakin easy can it get for us, you can google the topics for pwi and still find them lol. I mean in game you don't even have to navigate yourself they have auto navigation. I mean where is the research. The quests have green name that you just click to help you find it. -.- the freaking game itself has coordinates, none of the mmo's i played had that.

At level thirty, forty, fifty, you're still not going to know everything about this game, players who have been her since this game started are still learning. The hard way i might add because if there is no information we have to do trial and error. Lol it's good for her to run around arch anyway gets you familiar with the npc. I bet she won't forget where the pet skill trainer is.


And lmao Ice i wonder if she did know that. If she wasn't going to do the quest her cheapest route would have been to get the super stone to max the pet bag all together. And if you do that fyi that isn't done at the pet skill trainer. ^ ^

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just wait until she realizes that since she skipped the first free slot expansion quest for her pet cage (50 hay)

It's 20 hay so even better ^^

I would suggest a easier to play MMO with a theme that revolves around a cute kitty that first came out in Japan years ago. There is plenty of merchandising, and now they even have a MMO. From what I have seen, it may be easier to play than the type of more advanced MMOs like PWI.