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FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Wizard
well 1 think i realise is that sutra dont give skills 0 channel time but gives a very very little chan like 0.1sec
i realise this when i see chan bar fulling instead of be already full and when a arch mob broke my channel IN SUTRA b:shocked


geez b:bye
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    only time my channeling has been broken in a sutra is by a stun
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  • Gregen - Lost City
    Gregen - Lost City Posts: 174 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    well 1 think i realise is that sutra dont give skills 0 channel time but gives a very very little chan like 0.1sec
    i realise this when i see chan bar fulling instead of be already full and when a arch mob broke my channel IN SUTRA b:shocked


    geez b:bye

    I noticed that about the channeling, too.
  • Nakhimov - Lost City
    Nakhimov - Lost City Posts: 1,829 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Channeling interrupt occurs durring cast time as well, if I'm not mistaken.
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  • Warmechanism - Harshlands
    Warmechanism - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    So the wizzie sutra broke? *dies laughing and wipes tears* ahh there is a god. And he doesn't play a wiz.b:laugh
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Warmechanism - Harshlands wrote: »
    So the wizzie sutra broke? *dies laughing and wipes tears* ahh there is a god. And he doesn't play a wiz.b:laugh

    Wizzy's sutra's always has been like that. At least we can Sutra ~> Town Portal when need be.

    ...however, your "mechanism" is in need of some tuning up...what are you running on, Windows 95?

    b:chuckle
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  • Warmechanism - Harshlands
    Warmechanism - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wizzy's sutra's always has been like that. At least we can Sutra ~> Town Portal when need be.

    ...however, your "mechanism" is in need of some tuning up...what are you running on, Windows 95?

    b:chuckle

    Lame comeback sutraboy. You better pray that your NASA-spawned Vista doesnt crash when you need to teleport!b:bye
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Warmechanism - Harshlands wrote: »
    Lame comeback sutraboy. You better pray that your NASA-spawned Vista doesnt crash when you need to teleport!b:bye

    I don't Vista. I guess I was wrong. You're still stuck in the steam ages. Windows 7 is where it's at.
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  • Warmechanism - Harshlands
    Warmechanism - Harshlands Posts: 75 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't Vista. I guess I was wrong. You're still stuck in the steam ages. Windows 7 is where it's at.

    Steam?! Wiz' please! I run on Santa *you've been a bad boy this year" brand coal only.b:shutup
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  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    errr no you have 0 channeling, what you are seeing is your casting time.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Warmechanism - Harshlands wrote: »
    Steam?! Wiz' please! I run on Santa *you've been a bad boy this year" brand coal only.b:shutup

    Steam > Coal

    'nuff said.

    b:bye
    Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »
    errr no you have 0 channeling, what you are seeing is your casting time.

    Try using sutra then town portal, and tell me that's not about 1 second of channeling, not instant. Also, if an Acephalid Death Knight General uses "Stupefy" on you (increased channeling time), Sutra doesn't seem to work as much...so it's REDUCED channeling, not INSTANT.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    lazy devs strikes again
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  • Ty - Heavens Tear
    Ty - Heavens Tear Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I've had skills interupted under Sutra too.

    1k Legion mobs. Gather 399 chi, pop a damage reduce pot, accelerate through as many mobs as possible popping a HP pot along the way. Sutra->hailstorm->Ice dragon=lotsa dead mobs. I've had this process interupted on the Ice dragon stage when sutra is definately activated.

    Similar scenario on the Dream Inspectors in Old Heaven's Tear.

    I've also seen the stupefy from Acephalid's and the Snake boss in FB69 causing skills under sutra to have a casting time like Konairy stated.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ty - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've had skills interupted under Sutra too.

    1k Legion mobs. Gather 399 chi, pop a damage reduce pot, accelerate through as many mobs as possible popping a HP pot along the way. Sutra->hailstorm->Ice dragon=lotsa dead mobs. I've had this process interupted on the Ice dragon stage when sutra is definately activated.

    Similar scenario on the Dream Inspectors in Old Heaven's Tear.

    I've also seen the stupefy from Acephalid's and the Snake boss in FB69 causing skills under sutra to have a casting time like Konairy stated.

    Stupefy is...

    ...stupid.

    b:angry

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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i also noticed stupefy messes with sutra. maybe cast time and channel are related in the bowels of the pw code. that could also explain why -97% channel bypasses cast time.
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i also noticed stupefy messes with sutra. maybe cast time and channel are related in the bowels of the pw code. that could also explain why -97% channel bypasses cast time.

    yeh sutra makes it like -9x% channel time isntead of reduce it to 0....if not my skills in soutra should be interrupt, becuz that oly happens in channel time b:shocked
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  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yeh sutra makes it like -9x% channel time isntead of reduce it to 0....if not my skills in soutra should be interrupt, becuz that oly happens in channel time b:shocked

    You are getting interrupted during cast time...there is no channel time.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    You are getting interrupted during cast time...there is no channel time.
    interruptions only work during channel. what you mean can only be caused by stun and sleep. what people are discussing here is that sutra does not remove channel but makes it short enough to make interruptions rather rare.
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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sutra doesn't seem to work as much...so it's REDUCED channeling, not INSTANT.

    No channeling time is 0 with sutra, however channeling isn't the same as casting.

    For example with sandstorm, it's 2.5sec Channel and 1.5 sec, thats the "1 second" of "channeling" your seeing. Try sutra on a skill without a casting time, like the sage/demon chi skill and you'll see its instant.

    As for the Death Nights, if I remember correctly their AOE is Channel/Cast interrupt, hence why your Sutra was broken.
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    No channeling time is 0 with sutra, however channeling isn't the same as casting.

    For example with sandstorm, it's 2.5sec Channel and 1.5 sec, thats the "1 second" of "channeling" your seeing. Try sutra on a skill without a casting time, like the sage/demon chi skill and you'll see its instant.

    As for the Death Nights, if I remember correctly their AOE is Channel/Cast interrupt, hence why your Sutra was broken.

    I'm not Sage...yet... b:sin

    The Death Knight Generals AOE slows down your channeling, which pretty much nullifies Sutra.
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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I'm not Sage...yet... b:sin

    The Death Knight Generals AOE slows down your channeling, which pretty much nullifies Sutra.

    Server lag can be annoying too b:chuckle
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    Server lag can be annoying too b:chuckle

    I'll find a way to 1-shot that lag eventually.
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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    look, I AM NOT LAGGED, MY PC RUNS GOOD IN GAME....hope u understand

    the fact is sutra rly dont give to skills 0 channel it gives a channel but litlle channeling....if not the archer mob wouldnt stop my skill in MIDLE of sutra
    it happens to me like 3 times after doing 20+ sutras on that spot
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  • BrownflameZ - Lost City
    BrownflameZ - Lost City Posts: 416 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    look, I AM NOT LAGGED, MY PC RUNS GOOD IN GAME....hope u understand

    the fact is sutra rly dont give to skills 0 channel it gives a channel but litlle channeling....if not the archer mob wouldnt stop my skill in MIDLE of sutra
    it happens to me like 3 times after doing 20+ sutras on that spot

    Server lag doesnt have anything to do with you computer or your connection, it happens when there's a high ping.

    Sutra does give you 0 channeling for a few seconds, the "1 second" time taken for the skill to complete is CAST time, not channeling. Any skill can get disrupted, middle of sutra, after sutra, whatever, fact is it doesn't mean ****.
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    BrownflameZ - Lost City wrote: »
    Server lag doesnt have anything to do with you computer or your connection, it happens when there's a high ping.

    Sutra does give you 0 channeling for a few seconds, the "1 second" time taken for the skill to complete is CAST time, not channeling. Any skill can get disrupted, middle of sutra, after sutra, whatever, fact is it doesn't mean ****.

    so u are telling the skills are disrupted in middle of cats time when tehy can oly be in channel time wich make me think they dont have 0 chan if they get disrupted..
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    tbh, while not under increased channeling conditions, a sutra'd TP for me actually takes about a second to channel (which is an appreciable increase).

    So my opinion is that it's the equivalent of popping -95% channeling or so for its duration.
  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    so u are telling the skills are disrupted in middle of cats time when tehy can oly be in channel time wich make me think they dont have 0 chan if they get disrupted..

    Really, learn to type, or learn english, I really do not understand you.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    point is:

    if the channeling is istant why does it get reduced by Stupefy
    and why it can be (rarely) interrupted

    I manage to interrupt a wizard skill in duel with Lightening chaser right after he used essential sutra
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Really, learn to type, or learn english, I really do not understand you.

    Sigh. Go cut yourself
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sigh. Go cut yourself

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  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Really, learn to type, or learn english, I really do not understand you.


    sry anyway he understood
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    point is:

    if the channeling is istant why does it get reduced by Stupefy
    and why it can be (rarely) interrupted

    I manage to interrupt a wizard skill in duel with Lightening chaser right after he used essential sutra

    yep that too

    when i was fighting farren FB39 boss i saw him give that burst to channel and....the fact is teh skills in sutra was channeling wiht this debuff so i realise even more that sutra doesnt give 0 channel but gives a little channel...b:sad
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