Silly questions..

kaka3hi
kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
edited August 2009 in General Discussion
Well, I was thinking to make a melee class, but I am not sure which class is good, so I've got some questions about BM and barbarian here, hope you guys could help me..~.~"

Is BM needed in dungeon runs like TT and HH ? If yes , why?
Which class is better in pvp?
Who will win when a BM vs a Barbarian ( same level , same equipments 1vs1)?
Which class is more efficient in pvp 1 vs 1 ( stunlocking BM & barbarian) to kill range classes ?
Is barbarian able to grind alone fast at later level? Or they only could tank all the time to earn exp?
Which class consumes more hp charm in pvp?
Which class(BM & barbarian) has higher chance to kill wizard at lvl 90 ++?

Thanks for the help b:shutupb:bye
Post edited by kaka3hi on

Comments

  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    barb is harder and more expensive than a bm

    but u have access to more things as a barb


    - Is BM needed in dungeon runs like TT and HH ? If yes , why?

    not much, and usually only for the phys def buff he can give to the party and the fact he can aoe weaker mobs to make things faster


    - Which class is better in pvp?

    I would say BMs, barbs can be better but it's expensive


    - Who will win when a BM vs a Barbarian ( same level , same equipments 1vs1)?

    Till high levels the BM will win cuz of the Barb's accuracy, low phys def in human form and low hp cuz of the accuracy buff, but genies changed everything so I can't say


    - Which class is more efficient in pvp 1 vs 1 ( stunlocking BM & barbarian) to kill range classes ?

    BM cuz of stunlocks


    - Is barbarian able to grind alone fast at later level? Or they only could tank all the time to earn exp?

    no, at high levels we have to lurk and do the parasites inside zhens and fishing parties to have decent exp income, bm is better


    - Which class consumes more hp charm in pvp?

    my record is 3 hp charms in 3 hours, that is all


    - Which class(BM & barbarian) has higher chance to kill wizard at lvl 90 ++?

    probably barb cuz of damage reduction skills and higher hp when u refine
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • kaka3hi
    kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    wowow , thanks goliath for such a detailed reply ... Thanks alot ... Another 2 questions ... What does rage of the beast king do? I cant really understand the description... And if BMs arent popular in HH and TT dungeons , does that means they would have a harder and longer time to earn money / Mats for their HH / TT equipments?
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Is BM needed in dungeon runs like TT and HH ? If yes , why?
    ("Twilight Temple" and "Holy Hall" are the same thing, TT is just the International name for it.)
    -I always prefer to run with at least one BM in party. Defense buff aside, they're good at catching stray mobs (or ones from a pull that run too fast), killing bosses faster, and they tend to be more 'fun' to be around. Something I call "BM's Disease" - an almost reckless habit to charge in swords/axes/fists blazing - makes life a bit hairy and dangerous, but adds to the thrill as well. TT runs get old and repetitious after a while...

    Which class is better in pvp?
    Depends on the build, and who you're facing. BMs have the best bonuses for accuracy/evasion per Dex, so a high-dex BM is nearly untouchable in melee. Combined with their ability to stun-lock... well...
    Barbs on the other hand have ridiculous HP, especially the tank builds. You won't kill as often, but you'll shrug off damage like nobody's business.
    Personally, I don't PvP, so other opinions might be more valid than mine.

    Who will win when a BM vs a Barbarian ( same level , same equipments 1vs1)?
    Again, depends mostly on build. BMs make you a sitting duck with stun, and recover HP with Sutra. Barbs have Sunder to recover HP WHILE doing bleed damage, and higher HP reserves. But both have minimal magic reserves - generally speaking, the longer the battle drags on, the more it favors the barb.

    Which class is more efficient in pvp 1 vs 1 ( stunlocking BM & barbarian) to kill range classes?
    If the BM can sprint there fast enough, or get the drop on a ranged class, I'd say they were more efficient at the kill. Barb damage tends to be lower, thus a slower kill. We're built to last, not assassinate.
    THAT SAID, using Tree of Life (genie) to super-inflate your HP reserve and dropping Perdition (Armageddon) on a target will deal out some VERY hefty damage, and from what I gather is a popular tactic for nuking squishy types. As long as you don't miss.

    Is barbarian able to grind alone fast at later level? Or they only could tank all the time to earn exp?
    Yes, albeit not [as] fast as a BM. Some barbs I've seen have a cleric accompany them and share the exp while dishing out Slam, Swell, Firestorm, etc. My own personal favorite tactic is to gather up a crowd and use Sunder/Surf Impact to AOE grind. It's not as quick as a BM's AOE grinding, but doing so in tiger form means taking less damage, less charm burn, less risk of dying.
    And if you visit any of the popular AOE spots you're bound to see a dead BM or two lying around...
    Of course, there's always Zhen. Zhen parties like a good barb for luring, though admittedly I'm not particularly good at it.

    Which class consumes more hp charm in pvp?
    Don't PvP, couldn't say. But given that Barbs are tanks and meant to take the punishment... well, I'm inclined to say Barb.

    Which class(BM & barbarian) has higher chance to kill wizard at lvl 90 ++?
    LA Bowbarian. b:chuckle They'll never see it coming.
    Honestly, probably the Barb. Providing you can reach and hit the wizard before they nuke you off the map, you stand a better chance of surviving to finish them off. Plus, Alacrity pounce will cancel a cast - and wizard casting is kinda slow.

    What does rage of the beast king do?
    Beastial Rage - a red circular icon?
    When engaged in combat it helps build up Chi - every hit you take will add points to your chi meter. This is essential in tanking, since the most critical skills (Flesh Ream, Invoke Spirit, Sunder) all require chi/sparks.

    If BMs arent popular in TT dungeons , does that means they would have a harder and longer time to earn money / Mats for their TT equipments?
    Not if they're proficient at AOE grinding. Had a 90+ BM tell me she earned over 450k [after repairs] in a few hours. In the same span, I'd be lucky to break 150k - and my repair bill would cost a third of that.
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    kaka3hi wrote: »
    wowow , thanks goliath for such a detailed reply ... Thanks alot ... Another 2 questions ... What does rage of the beast king do? I cant really understand the description... And if BMs arent popular in HH and TT dungeons , does that means they would have a harder and longer time to earn money / Mats for their HH / TT equipments?

    for the first question

    u probably mean beastial rage or stomp of the beast king, while the second is a decent fast hit spam skill the first is a skill that bms would really want... it recharges 5 chi for every hit u take from a mob/player

    some barbs like Kephras believe that it is essential for tanking while it's kinda useless since most bosses and mobs u have to tank hits kinda slow and u don't recharge much chi... u really understand it's power when u do small aoe group parties or inside rebirths when u have 50 mobs on u


    about the second question

    no, I never hear of BMs that have a hard time finding TT parties, althought ppl like me prefere a veno or an archer to fill their spot, a BM can find easily a TT run... and by subbing it he can have what he needs
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • kosake666
    kosake666 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Just for a simple and fast reply:

    Is BM needed in dungeon runs like TT and HH ? If yes , why?
    BM's are only really useful for there DEF buff, other then that, they are easily replaced by much better DD's

    Which class is better in pvp?
    BM is better in a general PVP sense due to ability to Stun lock

    Who will win when a BM vs a Barbarian ( same level , same equipments 1vs1)?
    BM will beat the barb 9/10 times until higher levels, when barb skills start to get better and better. (This is assuming no genie involved)

    Which class is more efficient in pvp 1 vs 1 ( stunlocking BM & barbarian) to kill range classes ?
    BM, no question aboout it. Once stunlock gets started, it's game over.

    Is barbarian able to grind alone fast at later level? Or they only could tank all the time to earn exp?
    Tanking gets little to no exp, unless it's tanking for an FB, and no, barbs can't AoE grind, BM's are the kings of solo-aoe grinding

    Which class consumes more hp charm in pvp?
    A barb will consume more per tick, as there have high HP, but a BM will consume more often, due to lower hp meaning more frequent charm ticks. I'd say Barb however, since BM's also have a self healing spell

    Which class(BM & barbarian) has higher chance to kill wizard at lvl 90 ++?
    Assuming they were the same level, I'd say a Barb has the better chance. The BM could only do well if he got in close, and did it damn fast.

    if BMs arent popular in HH and TT dungeons , does that means they would have a harder and longer time to earn money / Mats for their HH / TT equipments?
    BM's have a slightly harder time getting into TT groups since archers and wizards are much better for DD, however a BM can solo grind with a much higher profit then nearly any other class.
  • Darkjagans - Heavens Tear
    Darkjagans - Heavens Tear Posts: 478 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    no, I never hear of BMs that have a hard time finding TT parties, althought ppl like me prefere a veno or an archer to fill their spot, a BM can find easily a TT run...
    hmmm, I've always experienced the opposite, like pretty much NEVER having a TT run b:cry
    I've only ever done a TT1-1, TT1-2 and a TT2-3 in all the time I've played

    But then again, there tends to be a lot more BMs on the server than most other classes, so I guess that's probably why...

    Oh and if you're a BM and you're not in a large guild, then chances of going to TT or getting much help at all is fairly slim as well
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    some barbs like Kephras believe that it is essential for tanking while it's kinda useless since most bosses and mobs u have to tank hits kinda slow and u don't recharge much chi... u really understand it's power when u do small aoe group parties or inside rebirths when u have 50 mobs on u

    Fair enough, a lot of bosses do have a pretty slow hit-rate (Serpentrex in '69 hits pretty fast though). Personally I consider it essential because it provides the extra chi to Flesh Ream, Devour, and still build up enough spark to use Sunder or Invoke as I like. Without, it's more difficult to do so - venos can give you sparks, but won't always do so and it's best not to rely on them for it. Same for apoth. chi powders - long cooldown won't help you except in an emergency.

    EDIT:
    ...and no, barbs can't AoE grind, BM's are the kings of solo-aoe grinding
    I won't dispute the title, but "no, we can't"? >:} Watch me, Kosake. Been doing it on Nightscream for the last week or two.
    -We CAN AOE grind, we're just less efficient at it. We're also less likely to end up dead for it.
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Fair enough, a lot of bosses do have a pretty slow hit-rate (Serpentrex in '69 hits pretty fast though). Personally I consider it essential because it provides the extra chi to Flesh Ream, Devour, and still build up enough spark to use Sunder or Invoke as I like. Without, it's more difficult to do so - venos can give you sparks, but won't always do so and it's best not to rely on them for it. Same for apoth. chi powders - long cooldown won't help you except in an emergency.
    spam surf impact alacrity and frighten and u can stay full chi

    baestial rage has a quite long cooldown, and u grab like 15-20 chi during that time if u are lucky
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Surf I'll spam, Alacrity takes timing (I maxed mine). Frighten, I've never seen much use for. But, to each their own - I certainly don't have a problem keeping up chi, regardless. :)
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Surf I'll spam, Alacrity takes timing (I maxed mine). Frighten, I've never seen much use for. But, to each their own - I certainly don't have a problem keeping up chi, regardless. :)
    frighten gives 30 chi, that's why I spam it


    did u really maxed Alacrity ? bad choice
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    althought ppl like me prefere a veno or an archer

    i dont do a TT run without 1

    OMG NO FREAKING ARCHERS -_- they just grab agro
    Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i dont do a TT run without 1

    OMG NO FREAKING ARCHERS -_- they just grab agro
    it's called sharptooth arrow
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Kephras - Heavens Tear
    Kephras - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    did u really maxed Alacrity ? bad choice

    Not really. I've explained in other threads (clicky!) why it's not a cardinal sin to do so - it just goes against popular opinion. But then, I've done a lot of things with my 'build' that might go against popular opinion - I'd prefer not to hijack the OP's thread with that discussion, though. ;)
  • kaka3hi
    kaka3hi Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    How come some high leveled people said that BMs have an awful endgame???