BMs in polearm BH quest

Granrey - Sanctuary
Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Blademaster
well, I decided to make this tread after being fustrated with some bm counterparts and this boss.


the typical squad for this boss, is two clerics and good tank (usually a barb) plus DD.

Since we have this quest almost daily, getting the two clerics and the barb is becoming dificult.

I just want to tell you that a bm can contribute way better on this boss by using some skill to cancell the aoe from boss which is the real killer.


1) lightning chaser: you can use this skill from genie, if two bm have this skill. you can almost guarantee to netutralize the mob. if your genie is full of skills already. Just make another genie to use this kill. Just get level 1

2) shawdoless kick: use it to cancell the attacks, you dont need to be a fist user. You can use this skill to level 1 with no weapon equipped. Keep in mind you will have to time it right. Suggestion, count to 10 between attacks to get the timing. So you can apply the skill a bit ahead of time. Just get level 1 too.


if two bm have these skills, you can neutralize the boss and get healing from two clerics.


If you are sword, use myriad when both skills are in cooldown.


I have not found the first BM with cancelling skills with this boss. However, I did find a fist user, who told me that he does not uses shadowless kick as it does not work on bosses (thats why fists sucks for many people as the few users dont even know how to use fists).

just my bm rant
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  • Raydoit - Sanctuary
    Raydoit - Sanctuary Posts: 377 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I would Like to add that it is safe to use phys marrow on polearm for he does not use magic attacks when in close combat he only uses the decrease phys def and normal phys attacks.
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  • Filet - Heavens Tear
    Filet - Heavens Tear Posts: 414 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    We did a polearm BH run last night, squad was 1 barb, 1 cleric, 1 veno, and 3 bms. All mid 80's, finished in around 45 minutes unwined. There was barely any luring needed. BM would rush in, roar, start aoe, other bms would join, once the 1st stun fades off 2nd bm would roar, etc. Add in a HF, and the mobs went down really really fast. Also being able to keep up HF for 18 seconds every 30 so seconds really helped with the damage. I'm still pretty sure that a BM would have a hard time tanking the boss though.
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    We did a polearm BH run last night, squad was 1 barb, 1 cleric, 1 veno, and 3 bms. All mid 80's, finished in around 45 minutes unwined. There was barely any luring needed. BM would rush in, roar, start aoe, other bms would join, once the 1st stun fades off 2nd bm would roar, etc. Add in a HF, and the mobs went down really really fast. Also being able to keep up HF for 18 seconds every 30 so seconds really helped with the damage. I'm still pretty sure that a BM would have a hard time tanking the boss though.

    never seen it done with 1 cleric only but I guess is possible.
  • RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    The fist cancel does work, the boss just has an extremly short channel time, and lightning chaser is an instant cast spell. That would explain why you could cancel with lightning but were failing with shadowless, shadowless has its own channel time to consider while using (if you using it when u see the ring it will fail most likely). Learn how to anticipate when the boss will use its next cast and you can have it canceled . If i remember correctly polearm does channel every 6 or 7 (always forget which) attacks...so figure that out and cancel accordingly (right after the attack before it casts hit the kick button). Counting seconds with this boss is very inaccurate also, so count its attacks between channels. But yes shadowless kick works on bosses for sure...use it all the time for aoe boss/boss barb forgets to cancel lol.

    Also if you really wanna get fancy shmancy with fists use cyclone heel to constantly boost attack speed (if your like me and attack boss with normal attack), then of course drop heavens as much as you can.

    And yes sadly many bm do not realize usefulness of such things b:cold
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The fist cancel does work, the boss just has an extremly short channel time, and lightning chaser is an instant cast spell. That would explain why you could cancel with lightning but were failing with shadowless, shadowless has its own channel time to consider while using (if you using it when u see the ring it will fail most likely). Learn how to anticipate when the boss will use its next cast and you can have it canceled . If i remember correctly polearm does channel every 6 or 7 (always forget which) attacks...so figure that out and cancel accordingly (right after the attack before it casts hit the kick button). Counting seconds with this boss is very inaccurate also, so count its attacks between channels. But yes shadowless kick works on bosses for sure...use it all the time for aoe boss/boss barb forgets to cancel lol.

    Also if you really wanna get fancy shmancy with fists use cyclone heel to constantly boost attack speed (if your like me and attack boss with normal attack), then of course drop heavens as much as you can.

    And yes sadly many bm do not realize usefulness of such things b:cold

    shawdowless kicks does work for me and I use it on this boss.

    I tried to say that a fist user think it does not work on bosses. which is kind of odd for him being a fist user.

    yes I also use ciclone heel too
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Im going to try herc tank polearm with a 2 venos. Both venos with a good energy recovery rate and lightning chaser might do the trick. These interrupt skills are useful as hell.
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    My BM friend has a good bit of dex in his build, as he switches between fists and axes. (I know nothing about BMs so if that sounds wrong I'm prolly just stupid.)

    When it comes to either of those two bosses, he whips out his bow and arrows b:victory

    Actually does respectable damage as well, and saves me a lot of headache trying to keep him alive.
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  • Conavar - Heavens Tear
    Conavar - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,193 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    never seen it done with 1 cleric only but I guess is possible.

    I have done BH Polearm about 10 times up to now and only one of them times has been with two clerics.It just means that other players apart from the tank have to heal themselves, which is done easily with apoch items.

    And yes I took shadowless kick for the sole purpose of cancelling bosses aoe and up to now has worked great. If you work in tandem with the Barb Ie: You shadow kick, Barb cancels nxt aoe while kick still in cooldown, you cancel next etc etc, you can pretty much negate 80-90% of all aoe's
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  • Karmasbich - Harshlands
    Karmasbich - Harshlands Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    never seen it done with 1 cleric only but I guess is possible.

    I've never seen it done with more than one cleric. =P
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  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    if you have a good cleric (someone who knows how to play!!! not some monotouch one) one cleric is all you need, the cleric only needs to have a "short" timed purify (lv 7 or up)

    You dont need to have lightning chaser up to 10.. i use it at 4 and its works plainly on TT bosses

    A veno with myriad rainbow will help to quicken the fight ;)
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  • RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Id say relearn it at 1, because it always cancels regardless of level, and the damage is not worth the extra energy consumed by the skill as it is leveled, so level 1 is all that is required...besides 69 energy consumed is a sexy number b:sin.
  • Schism - Harshlands
    Schism - Harshlands Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    It is completely possible with one cleric I tanked it at mid to late 7x with one level 69 cleric because I still needed some calamities, the purify had to be timed to perfection and to help matters whenever I saw myself cursed I would hit a HP god pot in case the purify wasn't timed perfectly.
  • Mayacamus - Heavens Tear
    Mayacamus - Heavens Tear Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »
    never seen it done with 1 cleric only but I guess is possible.


    Done it with 1 cleric almost every day this week. Once with lvl 89 BM tanking as we had no barb.
  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mayacamus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Done it with 1 cleric almost every day this week. Once with lvl 89 BM tanking as we had no barb.

    well I was in squad today. It was done with a 78 cleric and a 76 barb.

    So, I think now is easy to do.
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  • Granrey - Sanctuary
    Granrey - Sanctuary Posts: 2,050 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    boo4u wrote: »
    hell its not hard farming high mats lol

    it just bothers me the time wasting farming mats. I dont see much fun in it.b:surrender
  • tigue
    tigue Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Use a weapon with "Holy" effect bonus and a BM could solo both with jiaozi and Tree. An excellent and cheap option for this type of weapon is the Dark Flash lv78 legendary fist. Low dex req, and its a fist so with high attack rate its not long between the remove debuff procs if you get debuffed.

    Even if you had 1 cleric, using the weapon is a nice idea so that you can purify yourself if the cleric is busy Ironhearting or such.

    Usefull on alot of other **** too...
  • Zoronoa - Sanctuary
    Zoronoa - Sanctuary Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    a bm with atleast 5k hp and 2 clerics spam healing its possible to tank polearms and gaurnob

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