Cleric Sage or Demon? Pro and Contras

Tamaguchi - Harshlands wrote: »

Go www.ecatomb.net and look it up. Sage is more supportive, demon more pvp oreinted. Like chromatic seal doesn't slow you down anymore, and silent seal doesn't reduce your attack.

Wonder why everyone is saying it, i myself find Sage alot more pvp based.
example : sage plume shot vs demon cyclone, they both get damage add.
But -> i already have a high magical dmg output with wield thunder, so plumeshot dmg add is better in pk cos you can 1 shot arcanes.We got many magical attacks, so its better to increase the physical dmg output.

Same with magical or physical reduce seals, the sage versions totally pwns the demon versions.
Whats better for Chromatic Seal(aka sleep) longer sleep for 4 seconds or no slow down which can be purified in 1 second. b:victory
Same goes for Silent seal.

Only reason in my opinion to go Demon is the 2%crit from metal mastery and the - 25% channel from Demon spark.Other than that Sage is way better.

as far as what i'm looking at :

i'm demon myselve , why?

because :

plume shot
demon: faster channeling so more damage over time
sage : more dmg plume shot so more dmg per shot but slower so eventually same damage over time

cyclone:
demon: more metal dmg so: think about combining this with : mag debuff=>wield thunder=>great cyclone = dead person
sage: slows other person down bit more =>s*cks

wield thunder:
demon: gives -30% metal debuff = awesome
sage : 50%chance to get 30chi = maybe good

stream of rejunevation:
demon: gives extra 100% phys def for (10) seconds
sage : gives 30 chi every cast = good

these are the most important ones in my opinion

both sage and demon have a skill to gain free MP
both sage and demon have a skill to build up chi pretty easely

so i went for demon because of the combo and stream of rejunevation

combo :
magic debuff=>wield thunder =>extreme poison so this together = +80% damage then great cyclone that's an awesome combo also u can put demons spirit's gift in between b4 attacking wich gives u 150% more mag attack for 10sec

so if u wanna go nuts u can get up to 230%extra mag attack
if u put this in a macro and u demon spark b4 in the end u can get up too:
+700%mag attack from weapon+ 230% mag attack

that's insane XD

Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Rofl, did you even check the real differences?
Demon spirits gift matk buff doesnt stack with Spark = useless.
Wield Thunder 10sec -30% magical defense is not 30% more damage, it doesnt work linear.
(test it with magical def seals)

Demon Plume shot vs Sage Plume shot
Demon may have shorter cast, but it also has longer Cooldown. b:mischievous
1,2s channel + 1,2s cast vs 1,5s channel +1s cast.
(thanks to -channel gear the Sage one is better imho.)
Cyclone agree, demon kicks ****...but i rather have a dmg add on plume shot than on Cyclone, better for PvE as for PK.

Stream of Rejunevation :
Seriously, how often do you really use that skill? (i use it maybe 1 or 2 times a day)
Most barbs have HP charm on, so before casting is done it usually ticks and HP is full again.

I rather get the 10% extra heal bonus from the 1 healing skill i use 1000 times a day.b:pleased

Luv ya b:dirty
Also don't forget sage wellspring which has has a .3 sec faster cast, combined with the more potent heal from it being lvl11 = win

Buut god help us getting those b:surrender

it really dosnt matter ends game to me cuz really it will all come down to gear.
i think sage for ep = support and demon = attack? idk .just go to that site other people posted.for all other clases just go demon unless u are a bm

Trying to find other's thoughts on demon and sage.What are you doing in the cleric section Noob? No Sieg or Drag here b:question

woyaa wrote: »

Demon Purify = PvP ownage.
Same channel, same cast, same cooldown.
Purifys you + Purges target + No Chi Cost = Win
Oh and Dark Plume Quill has 1.2 Channel, 1.0 Cast and 1.2 Cooldown.
Also, VS/MS buffs have 25% chance to give 25 Chi to self, and 25% chance to give 25 Chi to target. So you can build up Chi quicker than a Heaven EP.

where does it say demon purify purges target? if this is true im reconsidering going sage..

and with the chi part, you can kinda save more chi with the chance of a 1 spark tempest no? o.o

Magiere - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Rofl, did you even check the real differences?
Demon spirits gift matk buff doesnt stack with Spark = useless.
Wield Thunder 10sec -30% magical defense is not 30% more damage, it doesnt work linear.
(test it with magical def seals)

Demon Plume shot vs Sage Plume shot
Demon may have shorter cast, but it also has longer Cooldown. b:mischievous
1,2s channel + 1,2s cast vs 1,5s channel +1s cast.
(thanks to -channel gear the Sage one is better imho.)
Cyclone agree, demon kicks ***...but i rather have a dmg add on plume shot than on Cyclone, better for PvE as for PK.

Stream of Rejunevation :
Seriously, how often do you really use that skill? (i use it maybe 1 or 2 times a day)
Most barbs have HP charm on, so before casting is done it usually ticks and HP is full again.

I rather get the 10% extra heal bonus from the 1 healing skill i use 1000 times a day.b:pleased

oh and btw its -30% metal damage narb

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And this thread is from 2009, narb.

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