Spam threads - clarification please

Posts: 101 Arc User
edited August 2009 in General Discussion
I was hoping a moderator or GM could clarify what they mean by spam threads :3

I understand a lot of topics have been closed due to other game namedropping and flaming and some are quite obviously spam, but in some cases (just a general feeling i'm getting) it feels more as though the definition of "spam" has been expanded to include any issues the moderators or GMs don't really want to deal with...

It's difficult to say that the duplicate topics are all spam when all of the other topics on the same issue have been closed due to flaming and game-namedropping ^^;


some examples I'm not sure why they were closed:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380212 <-- from my understanding it was a legitimate request that may have had follow up questions for any staff willing to answer concerns of the players

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380111 <-- xar said in another topic that getting frustrated or angry is okay as long as it isn't blatantly attacking PWE... I don't really see how asking what there is to do on PW now that the DQ order quests have become useless can be taken as "blatantly attacking," so perhaps it was closed for another reason?

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380302 <-- a general topic related to PWI...? I've seen much less relevant topics remain open


I suppose it's very possible or likely that this will be closed as well, but I think some clarification of what is considered spam would help a number of players. And if this is closed immediately after clarification you may as well add this to my list of examples since this is a discussion topic and maybe some other players have something they'd like to add. b:victory
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  • Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i want answers to i just submited a ticket the forum mod is going to FAR
  • Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Read This:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=380392

    I too submitted a complaint via ticketing to support, as well as posted in suggestion forum like a good forum troll.
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  • Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    This is a hard control and violation of the freedom of expression.
  • Posts: 629 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    To arms,to arms!

    Down with the man!
    Quit 100%...and surprised my forum account wasn't banned...yet
  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    There is already another thread that has an open discussion on both the mount price reduction and introduction of new mounts here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379901

    This is the primary reason why so many other duplicate threads are being closed.
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  • Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I don't think all of the threads closed tonight were for spam, but also for preventative measures. If people are going to whine and complain, there's really no need to make dozens of threads about it when it's supposed to be discussed in the maintenance thread anyways.
    The mods/gms get a lot of **** from people, and I'm guessing that they're starting to assume the worst of every thread. What may seem like an innocent question to the OP may come off rude to a mod/gm. I've moderated on another forum where the masses went crazy, and I dunno.. it's hard to explain. I guess when so many people are angry about something your instinct is to act more harshly than you normally would because chances are things are going to get nasty.
    I do agree that the gun has been jumped a few times tonight, but at this point it seems like people are just going to complain about anything. Your freedom of speech isn't limited as long as you don't act like a complete jerk when you express your opinion.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Your freedom of speech isn't limited as long as you don't act like a complete jerk when you express your opinion.

    100% accurate. :)
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  • Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    xarfox wrote: »
    There is already another thread that has an open discussion on both the mount price reduction and introduction of new mounts here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=379901

    This is the primary reason why so many other duplicate threads are being closed.

    Of the three examples I posted, none were really about the horses.
    The first was about the general direction PWI is taking - NOT mount specific.
    The second was asking about what to do on PWI, again did not mention mounts.
    The third... well that was just completely unrelated at all.
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  • Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I don't think all of the threads closed tonight were for spam, but also for preventative measures. If people are going to whine and complain, there's really no need to make dozens of threads about it when it's supposed to be discussed in the maintenance thread anyways.
    The mods/gms get a lot of **** from people, and I'm guessing that they're starting to assume the worst of every thread. What may seem like an innocent question to the OP may come off rude to a mod/gm. I've moderated on another forum where the masses went crazy, and I dunno.. it's hard to explain. I guess when so many people are angry about something your instinct is to act more harshly than you normally would because chances are things are going to get nasty.
    I do agree that the gun has been jumped a few times tonight, but at this point it seems like people are just going to complain about anything. Your freedom of speech isn't limited as long as you don't act like a complete jerk when you express your opinion.

    While I agree with your statement, I believe that the issue is this:

    You lock one thread that is open for discussion, and it civilized compared to some things Ive seen on the forum. Therefore, creating an uproar, and causing another to pop up. Oh guess, what, lock that one and another pops up!

    So. Do what xarfox JUST did. Point them to the thread that they need to discuss in. NOT do this:

    [locked]

    It is apparent xarfox has a clear head and knows how to handle difficult situations. Kudos to you, man.
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  • Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Yep, I second that.

    At least when he locks topics he puts a solid reason. Nothing like "I said this" and when you look there's *gasp* nothing there. And the criticism mysteriously disappears from the forum. Wow.

    Except that his response did not really answer the original question =\ i didn't ask why all the topics regarding mounts were closed, I asked for a clarification on spam and then posted 3 non-mount related topics.
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  • Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    This is a hard control and violation of the freedom of expression.

    Actually private forums don't have freedom of expression or speech rules. That is also recognized by law. You have to obey the rules. This isn't a public chat where you can come in and just say whatever you want. Even if this is an american based company, it still is not publicly owned nor purchased by the government. It's private so there for you have to respect the owners. There a limitations to freedom of speech and expression as well, pornography, hate speech, offensiveness, etc. A company has every right to close a thread if they feel the content would be damaging to it's business.

    I can use an example. With my house, i live in america yes and yes the constitution says freedom of speech or expression, however that does not apply to my home. Where it is not public. I do not allow children to swear or talk a certain way in my house. They have to respect the rules. You can get your point across to others without being hostile and having a calm discussion without flamming and spamming. Also as pointed out defaming the business and insulting it's employees is not a calm discussion.
  • Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Closing posts and avoiding ppl talking what they think about the changes is disrespectfull and wrong. Many posts wasn't spams. There was a long post of ppl talking about the **** that was made wth mounts and GM's just closed it. I don't understand what are they thinking about. Any complaint is seems lke spam. This is pretty ridiculous. I have no idea how this game is called perfect world... This is everything, but not perfect.
  • Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Actually private forums don't have freedom of expression or speech rules. That is also recognized by law. You have to obey the rules. This isn't a public chat where you can come in and just say whatever you want. Even if this is an american based company, it still is not publicly owned nor purchased by the government. It's private so there for you have to respect the owners. There a limitations to freedom of speech and expression as well, pornography, hate speech, offensiveness, etc. A company has every right to close a thread if they feel the content would be damaging to it's business.

    I can use an example. With my house, i live in america yes and yes the constitution says freedom of speech or expression, however that does not apply to my home. Where it is not public. I do not allow children to swear or talk a certain way in my house. They have to respect the rules. You can get your point across to others without being hostile and having a calm discussion without flamming and spamming. Also as pointed out defaming the business and insulting it's employees is not a calm discussion.

    This is not a topic for American Law.

    This is a simple question that was simply asked to the GMs by a very sweet girl:

    What is do the GMs consider spam and as such, lockable?

    Still not answered.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Making a thread and accusing PWE of intentionally driving high level players out of the game will result in your thread being locked.

    Creating a thread that insinuates that PWE would directly sell EXP players will result in your thread being locked.

    Posting an entire thread that is directed at one person should be taken to PMs, and hence, will result in your thread being locked.

    I hope that these clarifications help clear things up.
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  • Posts: 593 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mildly. I guess thats the best answer we will receive. Move along now, everyone, pull your hoods over your eyes and continue about your business.

    I still <3 you xar.
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  • Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    xarfox wrote: »
    Making a thread and accusing PWE of intentionally driving high level players out of the game will result in your thread being locked.

    Creating a thread that insinuates that PWE would directly sell EXP players will result in your thread being locked.

    Posting an entire thread that is directed at one person should be taken to PMs, and hence, will result in your thread being locked.

    I hope that these clarifications help clear things up.

    Does digressing too far off topic also earn a thread the "locked" status?

    'Cause if not, I'd kind of like to know what happened here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=378151&highlight=5gold+1million+coins&page=5

    I personally thought it was strange that the mod just "sighed" in the thread's general direction and *poof* locked.
  • Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    xarfox wrote: »
    Making a thread and accusing PWE of intentionally driving high level players out of the game will result in your thread being locked.

    Creating a thread that insinuates that PWE would directly sell EXP players will result in your thread being locked.

    Posting an entire thread that is directed at one person should be taken to PMs, and hence, will result in your thread being locked.

    I hope that these clarifications help clear things up.

    I guess that is the best I'm going to get, but it may help prevent future posts accusing PWE of intentionally driving out high level and non-cashshop users if instead of just saying "no we don't do that" and closing the topic, if you instead explained your actions so we can better understand why some changes have been made when many changes lately seem to point in that direction and we've been left with little or no explanation as to why.
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  • Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    This is not a topic for American Law.

    This is a simple question that was simply asked to the GMs by a very sweet girl:

    What is do the GMs consider spam and as such, lockable?

    Still not answered.

    my answer was not directed at the op but at the person i quoted. Sorry if i drifted off topic but i still think some of what i said applies. I read through most of those posts and can see why they were locked. People are upset yes, but making such accusations, and starting lots of threads and not keeping it in one over the same subject is going to get a lock. Attacking the gm's and dev's, or suggesting people quit the game is going to get it locked. Mentioning another game that's obvious, even starting a thread and telling qqers to be quiet is going to get it locked. This isn't something new most of us have been on this form for a while now we know the rules.
  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    <3 you too ;)

    The bottom line is even though you guys feel like we hate you, that's really not the reality of the situation.

    We want you guys to express how you feel on these forums. We just want people to do so in an appropriate tone. It's really as simple as that. :)
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  • Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ah come on....

    What about the unrespectefull action that you had when you made so worthless things that ppl worked very hard to have???


    Seriously, it breaks the game inside.
  • Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    xarfox wrote: »
    <3 you too ;)

    The bottom line is even though you guys feel like we hate you, that's really not the reality of the situation.

    We want you guys to express how you feel on these forums. We just want people to do so in an appropriate tone. It's really as simple as that. :)

    I can understand that, but I guess it just gets frustrating for people to constantly ask why and rarely get a direct or descriptive answer.

    It's like when we're little kids and we ask our parents why and they just say "you'll understand when you're older" or "because I said so" it's usually just more upsetting than if they explained outright =P Not much different than saying "trust us when we say we don't hate you and we aren't trying to push out high level players" ^^;
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  • Posts: 22 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    This is sooo much personal. Isn't a rational concept. If they think that is spam, then it is.
  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    And just how does a player express feelings in a calm tone when they get ripped off their hard earned ingame fortunes in as little as a server on/off switch flipping.. one after the other.
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  • Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Ah come on....

    What about the unrespectefull action that you had when you made so worthless things that ppl worked very hard to have???


    Seriously, it breaks the game inside.

    hmmm is that mount any worthless. I see people can still use it to ride around on. It's very lovely in appearance, i doubt it is worthless. There are people who still don't cash shop instead of spending 14 mil to get it thy can buy it with much less the cost. With gold prices sky rocketing that mount became impossible to achieve. I have said this before but i'll say it again if you play a mmo to be the best, to be number one, or to look better than others your enjoyment of that game will not be long lived. If you play the game to have fun, make friends, and actually take your time to enjoy it. All the more so you will appreciate your own accomplishments. I greatly respect that those people had the time and patience to achieve the horse. Does this really change that you were able to accomplish something many others were not....no. The mount may not be as costly but still it can be enjoyed. Same with the swim suits. Mmo's change all the time you miss a sale or you don't. Somethings are rare and then they are not. Things that aren't rare can soon become rare. There is no disrespect meant in that, it's how life is. You loose some you win some, it's how you handle such that makes you the better person.
  • Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I think it is since he was warned not once but several times. Then continued to make threads. He might of been upset but he need to calm down a lot. You are in violation too, it is against forum rules to mention other mmo's other than what belongs to this company on it. He was making some very heavy accusations and seemed his temper was flaring pretty high. Even if you are upset about the mount there is a better way to voice you're opinions. If you get that mad where you can't control you anger it's time to walk away from the computer.
  • Posts: 94 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    i was looking at mount one that was closed and it was nice for gm's to do that to give a break :) and idk what this is about i just saw that gm said some tin about mount closed :o thread thing b:heartb:heartb:heart :3:D that and ppl who get mad at what is in O and spam on threads should staop cause GM's try there best :3 and we should thank them for putting the mount in and u can sell the thing for cash can get 10k i mean u can get it for mold DQ things :)
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  • Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    I keep seeing quotes in this thread and have no idea where they came from...frustrating x_x
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  • Posts: 1,200 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    personally i think spam is any post that has no real content or substance and offers nothing to a topic. example would be "+1" or HUGE block posts of "lol" or something else repeated 100 times. those posts also disrupt the lineup of the entire page, giving a left to right scroll bar at the bottom, which is really annoying. also i think spam applies to posts that derail a topic, or interrupt the flow. things like people saying hi to someone who posted in a thread, then the 2 of them sporadically having a conversation between the 2 of them while everyone else is still trying to post about the actual topic.

    and i too think that arayannamage is a bit heavy on the close thread thing, but she always has been. i remember when i had first started i asked what was apparently a noob question (i forget what it actually was), and she gave me an answer, and closed my thread. i still had questions, so i was forced to make a new thread, which she then merged with my old thread and left open. she could have saved herself and myself the trouble and just left the first one open. personally i dont think "repeat topic" threads should be closed unless there are several of them in the first page or two of the topics list.

    then again, some of the repeat topic threads arise because the "one" topic that they allow to stay open gets so long and people cant read through all of that. topics should have a limit to the number of posts i think. like 100 posts and it closes itself so that if there is more to discuss someone can make a new thread so the discussion can continue in a managable and refreshed way.
  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    When the question made in a thread is answered we do normally close to keep it all clean. The admins do it too not just me. b:surrender
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