Axe BM THE ONLY BM
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there one high lvl fist user i know of, Ashylnn from CQ @_@
She 95+ now i dont know, but she runs around with a spear now from what i can tell....wonder why that is
I was never a axe BM, i used spear and sword and trying to kill another heavy class with charm is hard without heaven flame (lvl59 axe skill). Killing other class is easy. Acc pots for archers, arcane users just die after being stunned and since axe have more hp usually surviving phoenix is alot easier so b:byeb:surrender0 -
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Supermanx - Lost City wrote: »there one high lvl fist user i know of, Ashylnn from CQ @_@
She 95+ now i dont know, but she runs around with a spear now from what i can tell....wonder why that is
I was never a axe BM, i used spear and sword and trying to kill another heavy class with charm is hard without heaven flame (lvl59 axe skill). Killing other class is easy. Acc pots for archers, arcane users just die after being stunned and since axe have more hp usually surviving phoenix is alot easier so b:bye
Lol, you still play?
But yeah, now he/she is using Spear and Heavy Armor, at least that is what CQ TW videos show.
And lol @ the level 70 fist user.
Archers get DAMAGE from DEX, you do not. Even if you have a 26% critical hit chance, low damage = low crits.
Attack speed + low crits + low damage = overall crappy damage.
The problem is that your damage is based on time, for example, let's say it takes from 10 to 12 seconds to deal certain amount of damage (considering criticals, etc). With that, the opponent can easily counter your DPS using potions, multiflavors, powders, charm, skills, triple spark, etc.
So even if they resist only 2~3 seconds, your DPS gets seriously affected and you will have to start over again (which means cooldowns, etc), because those seconds are good enough to let charm tick again.
And using one grade lower armor, is...yeah, like using full HH80 set at level 9x. You will understand once you get there.0 -
Axe is the only barbarian, sorry bro b:chuckle, i prefer fists over axe tyvmLyndura - Lost City wrote: »
And lol @ the level 70 fist user.
Archers get DAMAGE from DEX, you do not. Even if you have a 26% critical hit chance, low damage = low crits.
Attack speed + low crits + low damage = overall crappy damage.
The problem is that your damage is based on time, for example, let's say it takes from 10 to 12 seconds to deal certain amount of damage (considering criticals, etc). With that, the opponent can easily counter your DPS using potions, multiflavors, powders, charm, skills, triple spark, etc.
So even if they resist only 2~3 seconds, your DPS gets seriously affected and you will have to start over again (which means cooldowns, etc), because those seconds are good enough to let charm tick again.
And using one grade lower armor, is...yeah, like using full HH80 set at level 9x. You will understand once you get there.
apparently you failed to realize that BMs get more evasion and accuracy from archers each point i suppose? b:chuckle
It depends on the build/gears, not the weapon. Also, people who carry those things for PVP are just wasting it, making them automattically weaker by default, unless the other uses too. But why waste money on PVP? You say fists are bad due to pot/charm/elixir users in PVP. I think you can't fight without your precious stuff lol, hope u don't run out of those.
Fists are the best weapon to chose imo, I don't need a charm or i can just regen chi really fast.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0 -
Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »Axe is the only barbarian, sorry bro b:chuckle, i prefer fists over axe tyvm
apparently you failed to realize that BMs get more evasion and accuracy from archers each point i suppose? b:chuckle
It depends on the build/gears, not the weapon. Also, people who carry those things for PVP are just wasting it, making them automattically weaker by default, unless the other uses too. But why waste money on PVP? You say fists are bad due to pot/charm/elixir users in PVP. I think you can't fight without your precious stuff lol, hope u don't run out of those.
Fists are the best weapon to chose imo, I don't need a charm or i can just regen chi really fast.
Yeah BMs get more evasion and accuracy than archers from dex, but evasion only helps against half the classes. Also everybody uses pots/charms for pvp. You can call them weak or whatever but in the end you're the one on the ground dead because you're too "special" to use pots and charms. It's an advantage, and people use whatever advantages they can get.0 -
Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »Axe is the only barbarian, sorry bro b:chuckle, i prefer fists over axe tyvm
apparently you failed to realize that BMs get more evasion and accuracy from archers each point i suppose? b:chuckle
It depends on the build/gears, not the weapon. Also, people who carry those things for PVP are just wasting it, making them automattically weaker by default, unless the other uses too. But why waste money on PVP? You say fists are bad due to pot/charm/elixir users in PVP. I think you can't fight without your precious stuff lol, hope u don't run out of those.
Fists are the best weapon to chose imo, I don't need a charm or i can just regen chi really fast.
you are kind of right but that works in pve but not in pvp as in PVP, players use skills to hit you rather than normal attacks.
They will still miss you a good chunck but still you will not out dps by using normal attacks. you will be hitting with skills to be able to bring people down.0 -
Kyna - Lost City wrote: »*facepalm* You're missing the frigging point! >.< If Blademasters get more dex per point they don't HAVE to spec as much dex to get the same results!!!! DUH! And you know, even if you do put it that way it's not as much about the accuracy so much as it is the CRITICAL STRIKE RATE, which is what a fist user needs to deal even more damage along with their speed. And can anyone guess what you need for your critical strike rating to go up? *shock* dexterity, there you go. That was SO hard to figure out.
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kk 1 phrase you claim you dont need as much dex as an archer for the same result (duh you said) and that was the point, yet you claim you need all the dex you need to get your crit rate up, try making sense please?
also, do you know any really high 8x or 9x berzerk fists? cause if not, axe build + GX still has more crit rate than you. zerk is a 15% (or 20) chance to do double dmg, that translates to 15% crit rate just from the weapon, not counting the base crit rate your char may have, you may say fists hit faster, but if you believe you can kill really good people with auto attacks with the weakest weapon....wow0 -
Kyna - Lost City wrote: »*
Okay, also, my point in having enough Str left for a downgraded heavy armor is because I gear for the situation. If I'm gonna be going up against mobs that are caster mobs, I wear light, if I'm going against something with a physical blow, I wear heavy, hell, sometimes I wear a mix and I even have it set so I can switch out my armor set in 2 seconds if I need to. Also the point is that even a level 60 heavy has more physical resistance than a level 90 light armor. SO! Are you paying attention? I normally wear the heavy set since the only things that seem to really attack me while I'm out grinding is a barbarian, an Archer, or another BM, usually one of the meathead axe users. Soooo, should I speak slowly for you here?
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yeah cause we all know a fist BM needs to lower his str to wear LA..............dude you're **** im axe and i can wear both the highest lvl of heavy and LA, though i dont wear LA, why? because i still got more mag def than any LA, we are BMs, make use of our tools
btw, if your main armor is LA, and you like auto attacks that much just go roll an archer tbh, because then you are no better than a melee archer...wooooo scary -.-0 -
Kyna - Lost City wrote: »*
I have very high evasion, very high accuracy, high DPS, and decent defense. melee attackers miss me a lot and then even when they do hit me I don't take much damage.
Oh, and Blademasters aren't technically a tanking class. Yes, they can wear heavy, yes, they can have a lot of hp and pysical def, and YES, they CAN tank things if speced to tank. However, if blademasters were meant to be a primarily tanking class, we would have more moves that increase threat levels, stuns don't count. So far as I know, we only have one and it doesn't really work that well.
Funny that you should even mention the diversity in the BM category since you seem to really think that an axe is the only way to go.
And you want to see a high level PvP fist? Just wait until I get there and you'll see it.
kk so we arnt a tanking class but we can reach 12.5k hp and 15k phy def and 7k mag res at 9x and do have a aggro skill, gotcha
and i mentioned the deversity saying it didnt exist anymore, now who needs to read?
as for you not taking much dmg from a heavy, yeah no ****, but last time i checked we dont kill heavies with phy attacks, oh look i can dodge more!....oh thunderstorm never misses...sadly
and if you yourself a fist BM cant name me one high fist BM thats really good and all you can say is *wait until i lvl* then i rest my case0 -
Seriously People, whats with all the fist hate?
Every weapon can be used effectively in any aspect of the game be it PvE/PvP
It just takes skill, timing and creativity!......and well ( ingame $$b:laugh, to fund all your equips^^) A fister(clawer@.@) Can be very deadly in PvP very...but the same can be said about any other class :O
People who say that one weapon is TEH ONLY WAY are idiots(pardon meb:sad) every weapon rocks^^.....I myself cant see me using swords(i dont like how they look But they are very useful^^) But I use every other weap
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And to the people that put down LA users and any other exotic build/char, remember it is only a game o.o
People like to have fun experimenting with different things^^
Some are very good when they find their "groove" (i always wanted to say that =3)
And besides if you think the only way for a BM is HA and only that you're wrong, for fisters (can work for swords too o.o) HA/LA mix for TT 99 gear is very awesome o.o....awesome attack rate+ Demon spark....well..b:pleased b:cool.
Ooh I was going to forget.....for the axe users that say people will kite fisters and such...the same thing can be applied to you =D the only ones that do have kind of an equal ground with Kiters are Spear/sword users o.o.....thus why Multipathing is so awesome O.O0 -
Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah BMs get more evasion and accuracy than archers from dex, but evasion only helps against half the classes. Also everybody uses pots/charms for pvp. You can call them weak or whatever but in the end you're the one on the ground dead because you're too "special" to use pots and charms. It's an advantage, and people use whatever advantages they can get.
All weapons are special, but i think its really silly to waste charms/pots like that. But one using pots/charm against the one not using pots is kinda wasting money there. Even though I'm not a PVPer, but it would be hard to win if that person decides to use pots when he's dying before u and he potted. But if both uses them, its survival of the fittest from money, whoever run out of pots/charms first loses, or whoever surpasses the pots/charms win.
So yeah b:surrenderGranrey - Sanctuary wrote: »you are kind of right but that works in pve but not in pvp as in PVP, players use skills to hit you rather than normal attacks.
They will still miss you a good chunck but still you will not out dps by using normal attacks. you will be hitting with skills to be able to bring people down.
There are possibly tricks that can work to make fists do as much damage as skill spamming tricks.
spark > drakes breath bash + spark (genie) > relentless courage
I really want to test it out at LVL59[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0 -
I made this thread as 5x as a joke, which you have all taken out of hand.
After getting my XS +4 my dps has gone through the roof, I have zerked 4-5 times on a normal mob.
Heavens flame makes the dps of my entire squad rocket as well.
I have maxed out a 26k crit + zerk.
And what can I say, I have a horse shoe up my **** and I crit + zerked and 1 shot a cleric who had 88 vit
All God does is watch us and kill us when we get boring. We must never, ever be boring.0 -
Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »
There are possibly tricks that can work to make fists do as much damage as skill spamming tricks.
spark > drakes breath bash + spark (genie) > relentless courage
I really want to test it out at LVL59
well, what I can say is that a fist user must make sure opponent remaines i range.
My suggestion is to use drake bash from axes, roar of the pride and some skills from genie to freeze, inmobilize, ect.
Otherwise, people will kite you.
an advantage you have as fists user is that your skills are quick casting compared to axes.0 -
Granrey - Sanctuary wrote: »well, what I can say is that a fist user must make sure opponent remaines i range.
My suggestion is to use drake bash from axes, roar of the pride and some skills from genie to freeze, inmobilize, ect.
Otherwise, people will kite you.
an advantage you have as fists user is that your skills are quick casting compared to axes.
Kiters can be countered (definately on ground) with cloud's spirit, unless if that kiter have genie's holy path. Against mobs that kite i can just pop in cloud's spirit or drakes bash. Increased movement speed can be the answer unless if its flight i think b:cold[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0 -
Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »Kiters can be countered (definately on ground) with cloud's spirit, unless if that kiter have genie's holy path. Against mobs that kite i can just pop in cloud's spirit or drakes bash. Increased movement speed can be the answer unless if its flight i think b:cold
When you actually start to PvP, you will understand that 99% of the PvP takes place on the air.0 -
i love this ok so ill say this axe bms are good. GX is amazing axe bms are for mass pvp and tw in my opp they also are the fastist lvling type of bm. ok but i am a hybred my dex is caped at 100 sy ste is 272 vit is remaining stats im full axes and spear i jsut went spear dragons and gs is amazing for pvp and pve id advise all bms to go axes tell 90 then go from there see what u like if u wana tw/ mass pvp or be a good 1v1 class(fist/Sword) axes arnt bad 1v1 but fist is high dps if your build is correct but to fight and say 1 is better then the other is dumb every class and style has a job i dont under stand y ppl will go any thing but axe or spear tell 90 its honistly dumbto 1v1 a mob and slow any way so stop fighting about stupid stuf rerole axes tell 90 then see what u like to do. ty have a nice day
DO b:chuckle0 -
Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »When you actually start to PvP, you will understand that 99% of the PvP takes place on the air.
when will u actually start to pvp ? stop talking about it and go try some ur self0 -
1 more thing with dex im my opp having to much is not to good the fact that magic class's in pvp and tw hit hard and a 99 +12 mage /archer can hit easly 7k i know bms with under 7khp at 90 and thats not good with a full set of hh 90 +5 u want adound 7.5-8k hp so u can do your job (axebuilds) whats the point of having dex if u cant live i can tank lvl 99 +12 mages np ask cq they love to play charm **** but i will say this vit build warriors and in my opp all warriors are a support class were not dds ok maby a +12 GX but few have that even with that mages and archers hit harder a good bm is a support we stun and amp for the dds to kill your target. now we are ok in 1v1 but if that zerk dont happen we can fail all good bms know this :P ty
DO b:chuckle0 -
gratz on 90 dark0
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Cbastor - Lost City wrote: »when will u actually start to pvp ? stop talking about it and go try some ur self
You have not been online for months, go check our new guild
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Lyndura - Lost City wrote: »You have not been online for months, go check our new guild
which guild is that,i logged on the other day and like the people who were thier from the start or at least most were gone,what guild is it? and what happened with riot? u can pm pe if ud like0 -
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The OP thinks axes are only good because of the AOE, but spears are good AOE too, (liner AOE) not only that, range as well. As for a blademaster (why aren't fists on barbs!? Its not even a blade! b:cry then again the requirements are way too high anyways b:sad) All weapons are good, thank goodness for genie, I can just LVL every single skill from EXP sinking myself. Done that to him and my BM and I can just use any weapon i want instead of going "axe BM" or "fist BM" I just want a BM (if there were fist/claw skills on barbs instead of BMs this one would never use them because barbarians should get the right b:cry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool
VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0
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