Vegetarians
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Im a vegetarian but I still think that just as most things in life, this is a matter of choice... choice that is to be respected and acepted.0
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Bimbamboo - Heavens Tear wrote: »See the spirit in every living creature and treat it well because thats how u want life to treat you.
It is possible for humans to easily live healthy without killing animals and thus we can remain well above the ' dog eat dog ' lower nature of this world causing no pain, death or exploitation to any living thing.
If an alien species tried to do to the human race the same thing that the humans do to various animal species on this planet we would go to war against them in full hatred and fear calling them DEMONS !!
Humans can easily replace every nutrient in the meat, like with nuts. But we didn't get to the top of the food chain by eating peanuts. Since the dawn of time humans have eaten meat, there's nothing wrong with that, it's nature. Check your teeth, the ones next to your front teeth, those are your canine teeth which were made for ripping and tearing meat.StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »What good will it do? Being a vegetarian (because you dont like the idea of eating a dead animal) isnt going to stop people killing animals. If you dont eat the meat, someone else is going to buy it, and they will eat it. Simple as that.
Good point.Bimbamboo - Heavens Tear wrote: »In the end, every argument that meat eaters [ esp. in the developed world where we have supermarkets and starvation or poverty isn't such a factor ] give, pretty much comes from their inner desire to taste the dead flesh of aniamls. You like the taste so therefore you dont want to give up eating it and you are defensive against anyone trying to persuade you otherwise. ( after all, what does it truely matter to us today what the cavemen did some 20 million years ago.. )
Its a fact that vegetarians can be just as or more healthy than any meat eater so eating meat isnt actauly nescessary for human survival.
The only other arguments in favor of meat eating and the meat industry, comes from an econamic factor - farmers and butchers etc. need to make a living in order to pay their own living expenses. This is an argument based on the importance of money in the human world versus the importance of animal lives and deaths. The money must flow..
The vegetarian / vegan argument comes from a sence of compasion, love and empathy towards the animals that are unwillingly forced through a slaughter house death, something that every human would find absolutly horrifying if they had to face it themselves.
Basicaly Vegetarians care more about the lives of animals than they do about satisfying their taste buds with dead animals flesh so they choose to go without eating and thus an animal dosn't have to die on their behalf.
If you choose to eat meat then an animal has to be killed in order for you to forfill that and for the animal that is a very real experience and maters so much.
Once you realise that eating meat isnt nescesary for health or survival it just comes down to eating it because you like the taste. Therefore an animal has to die just because you like the taste [ actualy that makes you selfish in nature whilest the vegetarian isn't ]
So --- Compasion towards animals Vs. satisfying your taste buds
Lairian - Humans do have the power to choose their own nature and how the affect the world and lives of others..
StormHydrah, dont use the rest of the human race as an excuse for your own descisions. Numbers do make a difference 1+1=2 etc
oh and what Tatuaje said - rabbits are vegetarians and they love sex, their always at it. They didnt let a bit of carrot munching put them off...
Actually what the cavemen have done does affect what happens today, so it is kind of important. By eating meat, your eating an animal that was raised to be food, that was it's purpose, not like they just randomly kill cows in the wild, they raise them for consumption. And if we don't eat it another animal would, it's natural to eat meat, it's not like we're the only animals that eat cows, pigs, etc.. Let's say we as humans stop eating meat entirely all those cows, pigs, and other animals that shouldn't have been eaten would be set free, well guess what would happen next, they would have been eaten by wolves, or other carnivores. And when the wolves finish the cows, guess what, those wolves would look at us eating carrots and think, dinner is served.
And I completely understand my friends beliefs of eating dogs, it just doesn't seem appealing to me.
(By the way how did vegetarian sex get involved in this???)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Just because I eat carne (meat) does not mean I am not compasionate towards animals. I love my puppie as if he was my own son.
Everyone has their own opinion about this subject and no Vegetarian is going to convince a Omnivore different and that is also the opposite as well. No Omnivore will ever convince a Vegetarian different.
Stating that just because we omnivores eat animal means we have ZERO compasion is just stupid and has no merit to the arguement.tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
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Why do we kill deer?? for an example.
Deer hunting is regualated where I come from to control the populous of the species. You are only allowed to kill 1 male and if you are lucky one female after you have applied for your tags. If there were no more hunting of deer then the populous would explode in a short period of time.
My point about this is where will the deer go?? There will be more on the highways causing a massive rising of accidents causing more deaths. They will also be moving more towards civilized areas causing property damages and the such.tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
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The_Champion - Sanctuary wrote: »Humans can easily replace every nutrient in the meat, like with nuts. But we didn't get to the top of the food chain by eating peanuts. Since the dawn of time humans have eaten meat, there's nothing wrong with that, it's nature. Check your teeth, the ones next to your front teeth, those are your canine teeth which were made for ripping and tearing meat.
Good point.
Actually what the cavemen have done does affect what happens today, so it is kind of important. By eating meat, your eating an animal that was raised to be food, that was it's purpose, not like they just randomly kill cows in the wild, they raise them for consumption. And if we don't eat it another animal would, it's natural to eat meat, it's not like we're the only animals that eat cows, pigs, etc.. Let's say we as humans stop eating meat entirely all those cows, pigs, and other animals that shouldn't have been eaten would be set free, well guess what would happen next, they would have been eaten by wolves, or other carnivores. And when the wolves finish the cows, guess what, those wolves would look at us eating carrots and think, dinner is served.
And I completely understand my friends beliefs of eating dogs, it just doesn't seem appealing to me.
(By the way how did vegetarian sex get involved in this???)
This is very true. The consumption of meat is not a cruel thing to do, really. It all belongs to the cycle of life and death that drives our planet, and makes further life possible. Everything has to be eaten by something else, otherwise the population of that species would explode, unbalancing the environment (just look at the human population. We no longer get eaten, and there's over seven billion of us.). While the way we mass produce and slaughter animals might be seen as cruel, that's just what we do. I'm sure if we didn't have this practice, then there wouldn't be any real issue about eating meat, now would there?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Teh_fishey - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yes I do think its ok to eat cow (and I do eat cow), and yeah I think its ok to eat dog (if it was in the stores and cheaper than beef I'd buy it).
You think it's OK because your not the one who is being dragged to your death in order for that to happen. If it was you that had to die in place of the animal you would find out just how much it matters.
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So why should the life of another living entity mater to me ? Why does a lifeguard dive into freezing water to save a drowning child at personal risk to themselves, after all it wasn't the lifeguard who was drowning in the first place ? Why does a missionary sweat blood to help people who are starving in poverty stricken countries, after all they were already eating so well themsleves ? Why care ?
Such is the nature of goodness to value the life of another and care even at the cost of personal sacrifice.
Vegetarianism comes from a higher sence of goodness, the good side [spiritual side] of nature. A higher sence of consciousness, considiering others aswell as myself. It causes no suffering or death to any animal whilst meat eating does. Eating meat actualy cause missery to the animals.
Vegetarianism comes from goodness and if are arguing against it you are arguing against the ways of goodness.
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The_Champion the human race has evolved since the days of the primitive cavemen. We now have every facility to turn away from the carnivorous nature for good. You are just using cavemen as yet another excuse for your desire to taste animal flesh. Should we all just live in caves because the cavemen did 20 million years ago or should we evolve ?
Compare your mouth to the mouth of a tiger and then compare it the mouth of a horse or a cow. Which is it most simular to ? Human canines are vastly underdeveloped compared with that of a carnivour. Yes the human body is set up and capable of sustaining on a omnivourous diet although i dont think it would do so well on a purely carnivorous diet, alot of vitimins would lack. But yes,it is also just as set up and capable of sustaining on a vegetarian diet and in fact that is just a healthy if not more so.
Every animal is a living soul and does in fact matter. An animal bred just for food is still just as conscious, has feelings and desires to live as much as any animal bread for domestication or an animal that lives in the wild. Just because an animal was bred for food it dosn't mean to say that it is now souless or dosnt count as a living entity or dosnt expierience any missery at when its life is forcibly taken from it.
When a human touches the life of another living entity they become responsible for the influence or affects that they have on that life.
Tatuaje- if you were truely compassionate towards all animals you wouldn't kill or eat them. So it is true that if you eat them you lack compasion towards them. Are your puppys any different to any other animal ? Why do they matter so much to you but other animals don't ?
Prehaps these deer hunters should put more time and money into building fences instead of spending hours hunting and buying bullets ?? What - you can build a railway from one coast of America to the other but you cant put a fence up along a highway ?
They came to that conclusion because they want to hunt, a spiritualy minded human would always look for another answer.
Lairian - you dont see it as crual or have a problem with it becuase you can happily feel safe that its not something that going to happen to you whilest you still dont mind it happening to some other living entity. Same as the hunter - if it was them that were being hunted because of over population they would feel very differently about it.
Humans are capable of building fences and hurding animals and thus influencing their breeding if that was indeed nesecery. Is the planet not big enough to sustain an animal population aswell as human population ? If there is a problem then we must seek other answers and solve them rather than using it as a excuse not to change and evolve and to continue to satify our taste buds with meat, thus falling short of a higher level of goodness.
In the end every argument that meat eaters come up with comes from their desire to taste meat. You are just looking for excuses to justify meat eating because there is and always was an viable alternative that dosn't cause exploitation, suffering or death to animals but they feel unwilling to make the [ taste bud ] sacrifice.0 -
Bimbamboo - Heavens Tear wrote: »Vegetarianism comes from goodness and if are arguing against it you are arguing against the ways of goodness.
I almost fell off my seat laughing so hard about this one. Now you just stating nonesense and as I can see are an extremist and extremist are what hurt the most causes.
Tatuaje- if you were truely compassionate towards all animals you wouldn't kill or eat them. So it is true that if you eat them you lack compasion towards them. Are your puppys any different to any other animal ? Why do they matter so much to you but other animals don't ?
My puppy is different because I choose for it to be different. That is the way of man, choice. Some people have pet pigs and would never imagine cooking it even though I would choose to eat it.
It has nothing to do with compasion, stop slandering your factless issues. State information as an opinion and not fact because everything that comes from your mouth (in this case keyboard..lol) is soley opinion. I alteast state that my information is soley my opinion.
Prehaps these deer hunters should put more time and money into building fences instead of spending hours hunting and buying bullets ?? What - you can build a railway from one coast of America to the other but you cant put a fence up along a highway ?
What part about the control of population don't you get? So when the population explodes with deer, with your infinite wisdom with animals and life how do you protect them from flooding the highways and neighbourhoods?
They came to that conclusion because they want to hunt, a spiritualy minded human would always look for another answer.
Another senseless point which does not mean people are spiritual. I feel bad for anyone who you preach your opinion to since it is filled with so much lies.
In the end every argument that meat eaters come up with comes from their desire to taste meat. You are just looking for excuses to justify meat eating because there is and always was an viable alternative that dosn't cause exploitation, suffering or death to animals but they feel unwilling to make the [ taste bud ] sacrifice.
You are filled with propaganda and lies. Nothing you say is true and is solely your biased opinion.
I am a caring person, spiritual and I can eat meat all at the same time.tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
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Bimbamboo you claim that because you're a vegetarian you're a good, spiritual person. But these two things have very little to do with each other. A person can be good and respect the spirits of animals while still eating them. Look at Native Americans, in which this was a key part of their belief system. While this doesn't have as much impact on people as they do today, it still has importance.
The missionary and lifeguard you mentioned, for example. They are good people, yet they can still eat meat. Any religious figure can be considered a spiritual person, yet can still eat meat with a clear conscious.
I respect your way of thinking, the least you can do is respect the beliefs of others, even if you don't agree with them. There isn't anything wrong with eating meat, nor is there anything wrong with being a vegetarian. Please stop making it seem as if one of them is wrong. And, just for the record, plants are living things as well. If your thinking is that every living being has a spirit, what about the plants? Just a little food for thought. I don't actually expect an answer for that one.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lairian - Sanctuary wrote: »Bimbamboo you claim that because you're a vegetarian you're a good, spiritual person. But these two things have very little to do with each other. A person can be good and respect the spirits of animals while still eating them. Look at Native Americans, in which this was a key part of their belief system. While this doesn't have as much impact on people as they do today, it still has importance.
The missionary and lifeguard you mentioned, for example. They are good people, yet they can still eat meat. Any religious figure can be considered a spiritual person, yet can still eat meat with a clear conscious.
I respect your way of thinking, the least you can do is respect the beliefs of others, even if you don't agree with them. There isn't anything wrong with eating meat, nor is there anything wrong with being a vegetarian. Please stop making it seem as if one of them is wrong. And, just for the record, plants are living things as well. If your thinking is that every living being has a spirit, what about the plants? Just a little food for thought. I don't actually expect an answer for that one.
Well said.
And Bimbamboo, You can stop eating meat as mush as you like, but it is natural to eat meat. And I'm not a caveman, caveman did not have the intelligence that we have now, comparing me to a caveman is comparing apples to oranges. Just because I eat meat doesn't make me a bad person, that is a negative stereotype, you are profiling people who eat meat. You are no better then Racists who kill people based on their beliefs. Please stop separating people who eat meat as bad people. You are living on the beliefs that caused people to die on their beliefs. I do not believe your beliefs are wrong, I just wouldn't follow them as they make no sense, that doesn't mean I profile vegetarians on their beliefs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »You are filled with propaganda and lies. Nothing you say is true and is solely your biased opinion.
I am a caring person, spiritual and I can eat meat all at the same time.
I rekon I've said enough on this subject already. I've laid out the vegetarian argument as best and as clearly as I can. Just read back on my previous posts to understand what my answers are. Most people of even slight inteligence wont have a problem understaning what I'm talking about even if they don't feel they want to live by it themselves.
Maybe by the time you've lived out your lifes in this world and you face your own deaths, you will be capable of understanding why you or the selected few that you choose to love and consider your own arn't the only living things that matter. Maybe by then you will understand what goodness is and what its nature is and why it is always the best way to go in life. And no , to kill for a selfish reason can never be considered goodness or spiritual or unselfish. It is the oposite.
There is such a thing as the absolute truth or science of things and it is not just an opinion. For example, water in its liquid form is always wet. Try and argue something different, try and tell me that water is always dry but the truth of things will prove you wrong. So it is not just an opinion that water is wet it is an absolute truth or scientific fact.
If you eat meat then animals are being killed for you to do that. It's a FACT. If you cared about their lives like you care about your own life you wouldnt want them to die. FACT !! The nature of goodness and love is to care. FACT. Nothing that you ever killed, no animal that you ever ate ever wanted to die for you. FACT , i'm sure. Eating meat is avoidable because in modern day life we have every facility to be a vegetarian. FACT. Eating meat is unesecary because we can, not just meerly survive but live just as well without ever eating it. FACT. Not one animal is ever killed all year around for the vegetarians. FACT. To kill an animal for no other reason than to enjoy the taste of its flesh on your tounge makes you selfish and thus fallen short of a higher level of goodness. FACT. Every human is capable learning and becoming a better person. Yer I would say thats a FACT aswell.
Not opinions - FACTS
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No _Champion_ I dont go around killing people just because I have compasion towards animals because that would be a complete contradiction of nature...
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I never said a person who eats meat is pure evil but I would say they lack a deeper lever of compasion, there is a deeper level of goodness that they fall short of. They are consciously or unconsiouly ingnorant of what harm they are doing to another living entity.
One of the things that sets human beings above the animals of this world is that we are capabal of understanding these truths and acting upon them. Such is the nature of the human position in the grand scheme of things.
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'Being subject to our base urges that nature has given us' is just another way of saying - nature has given us the urge or desire to taste meat. I would say its also habit, you know the taste, you like it, you want to taste it again and so another animal has to die in order for you to do that. A human is consciously able to change their nature / habits but can you value the life of an unknown animal above your own urge or desire to taste animal flesh ??
Eh, for the taste only?
Atleast I eat to keep myself alive and growing, and not because it tastes nice.
You wouldnt know, but im still a teenager, and not eating meat means ill never have enough protein to grow properly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bimbamboo - Heavens Tear wrote: »I rekon I've said enough on this subject already. I've laid out the vegetarian argument as best and as clearly as I can. Just read back on my previous posts to understand what my answers are. Most people of even slight inteligence wont have a problem understaning what I'm talking about even if they don't feel they want to live by it themselves.
You have laid down your opinion fairly well, to bad you can't admit that its not fact. Most people with a slight intelligence as you state will see that your information is just coming from an extremist with a closed mind.
If you eat meat then animals are being killed for you to do that. It's a FACT Has nothing to do with our debate about it being wrong in your eyes. Of coruse they die to go in my stomach, duuhhh.. If you cared about their lives like you care about your own life you wouldnt want them to die. FACT !! False, this is your opinion, how dumb are you to think that statement is fact.The nature of goodness and love is to care. FACT Of course caring for things in general is good, still has no relevance to eating meat.. Nothing that you ever killed, no animal that you ever ate ever wanted to die for you. FACT , i'm sure How do you know? Completely you own opinion, now you are being ignorant. Eating meat is avoidable because in modern day life we have every facility to be a vegetarian. FACT. We can create life without sex but we do not give that up. Eating meat is unesecary because we can, not just meerly survive but live just as well without ever eating it. FACT. You are jsut repeating the last point in a different way. Not one animal is ever killed all year around for the vegetarians. FACT. So, your point? Still nothing about why eating them is wrong. To kill an animal for no other reason than to enjoy the taste of its flesh on your tounge makes you selfish and thus fallen short of a higher level of goodness. FACT. Opinion once again, People eat meat for survival and nutrition. Not everyone has the technology to produce vitamins and suplimetns to survive without meat. Every human is capable learning and becoming a better person. Yer I would say thats a FACT aswell. Of course we can all become better people, but still nothing to do with eating meat.
Once again you state nothing to convince people that eating meat is wrong by fact. All you are stating is opinion. All your points that are facts has no relevance to not eating meat.
If you are going to preach against it then atleast admit that you are only arguing based on opinion. Then I can atleast respect that. You are lucky everyone is not bringing religion into this thread since that will completely throw off your arguements and then what? You will say they are wrong for their beliefs too?tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
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I think tatuaje pretty much said it all.
And bimbamboo I might have said it unclear, I didn't say your killed people, I said you think that just because you don't eat meat you are more compassionate then people who eat meat. Being compassionate has nothing to do with eating or not eating meat.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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vegetarians taste better. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kinda like the cloning debate...Eating meat is avoidable because in modern day life we have every facility to be a vegetarian. FACT. We can create life without sex but we do not give that up
And dont separate humans fron the animal kingdom, by saying that we are "higher up" and more spiritual etc etc.
We are just more intelligent. The whole "spiritual and compassionate" thing comes from our higher intelligence...When a master abandons its dog the dog gets sad, every animal has emotions.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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The_Champion - Sanctuary wrote: »I think tatuaje pretty much said it all.
And bimbamboo I might have said it unclear, I didn't say your killed people, I said you think that just because you don't eat meat you are more compassionate then people who eat meat. Being compassionate has nothing to do with eating or not eating meat.
Compassion has everything to do with this argument. A vegetarian chooses to become a vegetarian because they feel compasion and mercy and even love towards animals and thus realise that they don't want animals to be killed for them. After all if you love someone do you realy want them to be killed on your behalf ? This whole argument is based on placing value on the life of an animals and caring about them due to love and compassion.
You cant tell a vegetarian why they became a vegetarian. They know their reasons far better than you do.
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Love, compassion, mercy, empaphy are all spiritual/ higher qualities of humanity. These emotions or qualities originate from the spiritual side of life / spiritual nature / divine nature / nature of goodness and they lead to a natualy happier state of existance and less suffering and death in the world.
For example look at the story of Jesus in the bible and understand its message. The whole point of Jesus's message is one of mercy, compassion, love , goodness, and forgivness [ based to these qualities ]. No Christian will ever argue that this is something we should apply to our relationships with every human being in this world, after all it leads to a deeper level of happyness in this life and the next. Such is the spiritual nature.
An even deeper spiritual understanding and the deepest spiritual ideal is to not only apply this Christian spirit to every human being but to apply it to every living being. This is also fructified when we consider the ideals of Bhuddism which is based on ahimsa - non violence / non exploitation of every living being.
All sin is based upon breaking this ahimsa or another way of saying it is this - sin means to hurt, exploit or kill, in any way or form, anything that is living, including all life, yourself and GOD for any selfish purpose.
So it may not be a sin to kill a wolf that is attacking your child but it is a sin to kill a living being for a selfish purpose when you know there is an alternative.
Right and Wrong are based on what is true at the deepest spiritual level of life. Right and Wrong are based on GOD's natural law or nature and GOD's will.
You will never fully understand life, death, good and evil, the universe and everying intill you understand the truth of GOD and the spiritual nature and that these things are a total FACT. Untill then you are still groping in the dark for answers and [ as demonstrated by some of your answers to this argument ] your opinions are often based on a total lack of understaning of these higher truths. Feel free to take this argument up further with your GOD..
So far I've already laid out the vegetarian argument at a down to earth level in my previous posts without getting deeper into the subject of GOD.
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StormHydra - it is easily possible to live healthy and happy purely on a vegetarian diet. If you do feel this diet lacks in certain vitimins and minerals you can further research for vegetarian food sources to suplement these or visit a health food store and buy some vitimin pills etc.
It is a FACT you can be healthy on this vegetarian way of eating and therefore no animal will ever need to be killed for you . You just need to eat well.
In light of this the only other reason for a person to continue eating meat is because they like the taste.
When a person goes to the supper market they don't think '' oh , I must buy some burgers in order to play my part in the natural life cycle of the planet '' or '' oh I must buy some burgers because the cavemen ate meat '' no, they think '' Oh, I quite fancy eating some burgers tonight, that would taste nice.. ''
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People are willing for animals to die for them just so that they can taste flesh. They value their taste sensation above the life and death of an animal.
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LOL, I can't believe you actually brought up religion.
I am not going to continue this shananagans with you.
Jesus fed thousands with fish and bread. ???????? Last time I checked a fish was an animal. I could spend hours typing more examples but this is taken up to much of my life.
Anyways, this is just getting silly. I am not going to get into this at a religious point of view because I have better things to do then show how silly you are to think that GOD thinks we should not be eating meat.
I sure as heck hope the GM's lock this from anymore completely ridiculous statments from you Bimb.
I feel that I have lost braincells trying to talk to such stupidity.tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
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StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »Kinda like the cloning debate...
And dont separate humans fron the animal kingdom, by saying that we are "higher up" and more spiritual etc etc.
We are just more intelligent. The whole "spiritual and compassionate" thing comes from our higher intelligence...When a master abandons its dog the dog gets sad, every animal has emotions.
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Bimbamboo, I'm not gonna argue with you about having a vegetarian diet vs. a more omnivorous diet anymore. All I'm gonna say is this: Stop trying to make it seem like your way is the only right way. It's not, and I hate it when people try and tell someone else that their beliefs on anything is right and all others are wrong. I'm officially done with the whole vegetarian/meat eater argument. However, if you try and say something like this again, I will respond, and might not be as polite as I have been, and nobody wants another flamer here. So, if you want to go about all the ways being a vegetarian is better than every other diet out there, at least acknowledge that other ways just MIGHT have some benefit as well. And you could back things up with a bit of hard facts as well. No more of that spiritual/kindness stuff you've been using as the sole basis for your arguments. Maybe do some of that research you talked about in the last post and present some hard scientific facts. I know people can be healthy on a vegetarian diet, but the same applies to a diet in which meat is consumed. But, just so ya know, people can have an unhealthy vegetarian diet as well. Think about it. I won't mention how, this is possible, I'll leave that to others here.
And please don't bring religion into this, for everyone's sake. Nobody wants to bring that hornets nest into the shark tank we're already in.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »
Jesus fed thousands with fish and bread. ???????? Last time I checked a fish was an animal. I could spend hours typing more examples but this is taken up to much of my life.
Jesus lived in the third world of 2000 years ago before an age where we now have supermarkets stocked with varieties of foodstuffs from all over the globe. He lived in an area of the globe that is arid, dry and desert like. So their eating options at that time and place would be far more limited than ours.
You can be sure that Jesus is a spiritualy eleveted human being on the deepest and highest level of spiritual consciousness and thus understands the simple principle of ahimsa. If Jesus did indeed eat fish or meat it seems it would be alot more due to nescesity and lack of other options.
Also in the story of the feeding of the 4000 there is the sugestion that the fishes and bread were miraculously manifesting.
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Does Jesus care about animals aswell or does he only care about humans ? I feel sure that Jesus does care fully about every living thing as does GOD Himself.
If a person cares about / loves a living animal, don't they also care if that animal lives or dies ?
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It does seem that Jesus is a historical / real person in this world. Not only is he recorded in the Bible but also the history of the Roman empire.
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A carrot is a living thing as well, how dare you pluck/cook a poor little orange plant who is defenseless... At least the cow has a chance to run. You vegetarians are sick... Eating living things that can't even scream or run away.. shame on you.0
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »A carrot is a living thing as well, You vegetarians are sick... Eating living things that can't even scream or run away.. shame on you.
Animals have eyes, ears and brains, they have a central nervous system and are conscious of their own will to live and survive and feel emotions. In that sence they are not so different to us.
We do recodnise that carrots and all vegetables are indeed living things although it seems they are in a much different state of life to us. It is questionable whether a carrot has any kind of state of consciouness atall.
Fruit on the other hand is meant by nature to be eaten, it is a part of the tree or plants reproductive cycle. The bird or animal eats the fruit and carries the seeds within it to a different location.
It is true that we do need to eat something or we will die. We just try to minimulise death and sufferering as far as is practicaly possible. And it is indeed possible to minimalise animal deaths - It just takes will power and the desire to do so.
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Bimbamboo - Heavens Tear wrote: »Animals have eyes, ears and brains, they have a central nervous system and are conscious of their own will to live and survive and feel emotions. In that sence they are not so different to us.
We do recodnise that carrots and all vegetables are indeed living things although it seems they are in a much different state of life to us. It is questionable whether a carrot has any kind of state of consciouness atall.
Fruit on the otherhand is meant by nature to be eaten, it is a part of the tree or plants reproductive cycle. The bird or animal eats the fruit and carries the seeds within it to a different location.
It is true that we do need to eat something or we will die. We just try to minimulise death and sufferering as far as is practicaly possible. And it is indeed possible to minimalise animal deaths - It just takes will power and the desire to do so.
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-1 for taking my post seriously b:scorn0 -
Zzzzz...this thread needs to be closed b:surrender
We went from animals to vegetables to Jesus....b:sweat[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Zzzzz...this thread needs to be closed b:surrender
We went from animals to vegetables to Jesus....b:sweat
get with the program woman, we're back on veggies.0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »get with the program woman, we're back on veggies.
Lame....
If you want to eat meat then do so....
Want to only eat vege's then do so....
This is going to turn into an Animal versus Human Rights forums and this is not the place.
HOWEVER ---> troll on Bob, seems to be working b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
RoidAbuse is awesome, only he would sell his sperm for gear!!
"Toughest monster? ..... RedsRose b:surrender" - Kantorek
Where is my 1 v 1 Kan? b:mischievous0 -
RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »Lame....
If you want to eat meat then do so....
Want to only eat vege's then do so....
This is going to turn into an Animal versus Human Rights forums and this is not the place.
HOWEVER ---> troll on Bob, seems to be working b:surrender
b:surrender couldn't help it, someone has to stick up for the greenb:shutup0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »A carrot is a living thing as well, how dare you pluck/cook a poor little orange plant who is defenseless... At least the cow has a chance to run. You vegetarians are sick... Eating living things that can't even scream or run away.. shame on you.
b:chuckle I can't believe he believed you and argued your point.
That made my day.tatuaje: grinding mobs and zhenning ???
frankieraye:All right, I admit it, it's a bit retro. lol.0 -
Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »b:chuckle I can't believe he believed you and argued your point.
That made my day.
Glad I could contribute b:pleased0
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