BB for pets also...

Tatuaje - Lost City · August 2009

Simple answer to original post.

Pets can't be healed by a Cleric because they are not healed in the same way. Venomances heal their pets with their ability.

Why not say then, Venomances can heal anyone with their healing spell??

Alyyy - Sanctuary · August 2009

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Simple answer to original post.

Pets can't be healed by a Cleric because they are not healed in the same way. Venomances heal their pets with their ability.

Why not say then, Venomances can heal anyone with their healing spell??

b:dirtyyes please heal my mpb:dirty

Mothergoose - Sanctuary · August 2009

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Simple answer to original post.

Pets can't be healed by a Cleric because they are not healed in the same way. Venomances heal their pets with their ability.

Why not say then, Venomances can heal anyone with their healing spell??

Well, clearly they should be able to heal one of those big white kittens.b:victory

XME_Norou - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That said, I for one am absolutely sick of the anti veno QQ, especially those who decry their hatred of veno's on the boards yet ingame will beg veno's to help them with FB's or the bosses they need that aren't in FB's because they can't get a squad yet at the same time refuse to let veno's into zhen groups or rebirth. Last night I saw a good 50 WC's asking for people for RB, every single class was asked for too except for one... venomancers. I even answered a couple of them and got the response of "sorry, no veno's".

wait... since when did Venos have no place in rebirth? You can farm the beans in the rooms 3 and 4 MUCH faster with a Veno doing it.. which makes auras go up faster. This helps immensely in low/mid 7x squads doing Gamma. It might not be so important as the squad gets closer to 85, but having them up early never hurt anyone. Depending on the levels/classes in the squad we've actually actively sought out a Veno to go along...

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

In short, if you hate veno's so much stop asking us for help, and then refuse to let us into your RB/Zhen/TT/grinding squads.

ehhh, you must be getting "used" alot.. I know very few people who treat Venos this way: I mean how many people really picked a Veno to remain 100% completely isolated and self-sufficient.. If thats the case you wouldn't
even need to be in faction, and better yet.. why are you playing an MMO?

On-Topic: BB is the last thing a herc a needs.. it would be great for other pets, but then again thats not fair. I would think if they enabled this it would practically KILL the already low number of barbs on the servers. Why would someone pick a class that has a high repair/charm bill just to tank when they can take a much easier and cheaper way out..

Ninnuam - Sanctuary · August 2009

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

rofl? a TT without a veno....<.<.....yea...

*imagines it*

me: wtf? >.< why isnt there a veno in squad
party:we dun like venos we just QQ about them....
me:<.<...who lures o.o
party: the archer is
me:.....if u all die including me i am not rezing u -_-*gets aside rdy to use holy path*
archer: wtf i died RUN RUN*mobs come after whole party*
@&%$@# has left the party*
me:ok <.< the barb just exited*uses holy path and a chanel pill and escapes*

*stops imagening*

b:cutesee? venos are needed

You never did a TT have you? Archer pulls, archer dies, mobs reset - the end.
Unless you're stupid enough to heal him after things go south. In that case: archer pulls, you heal, you die, party kills the one mob archer hit - the end + a dead cleric.
Learn how aggro mechanics work before blabbering mmkay.

With that said, I

venos in TT. Heck I refuse to do TT without one (preferably 2 or 3

), and not because they can pull.

Edit: oh and in response to the OP. The pet is not treated as a squad member. Obvious reasons being they do not show up in the party screen and they do not get buffs *gasp*.

Rebirth and auras is different. They effect even npcs, and therefore the pets as well.

What you're asking would mean they would be able to receive player buffs as well. Just what a herc needs. Golden bell for more defense, barb buffs for more damage and higher hp, and cleric buffs for more survivability. Throw in bb and spam him with some ironhearts too and you may as well have him solo harpy wraith.

A lol and a no from me.

Daerina - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It would be bad for the game really. The main weakness of a herc is its hp. If it could have BB mitigation, that's effectively the same thing as doubling it's hp and doubling a veno's heal. What that leads to is almost no bosses requiring barb's and that leaves them in a bad spot seeing as how they're supposed to be (and are) the top tank. Honestly, if a herc is getting the benefits from RB (haven't checked this to see if that's the case), that should be changed too, our dd pets like scorpions, phoenix's, and so on don't need a damage boost on top of what they already have.

That said, I for one am absolutely sick of the anti veno QQ, especially those who decry their hatred of veno's on the boards yet ingame will beg veno's to help them with FB's or the bosses they need that aren't in FB's because they can't get a squad yet at the same time refuse to let veno's into zhen groups or rebirth. Last night I saw a good 50 WC's asking for people for RB, every single class was asked for too except for one... venomancers. I even answered a couple of them and got the response of "sorry, no veno's". The most amusing part of that to me, was the guy that told me no was a guy I did an untabbed FB for a couple weeks back, who didn't think he would get it done because he couldn't get a tank/cleric together for it.

Those of you that hate hercs fine, go ahead and hate them but stop demanding we have them to get into your FB squads, and then want to use them to help you get your FB's/quest bosses but are unwilling to group us otherwise. Just because veno's can solo quite well (it is our class strength after all, even on the website class descriptions) doesn't mean we all want to solo all of the time.

Those of you that hate nix's, give it a rest. You hate flesh ream, not nix's (it's also quite odd it's barb's who complain about this the most, you're the least vulnerable to a nix). The two have nothing to do with each other. Though I suspect that if FR wasn't bugged, you would find another reason to hate them, maybe because of how much damage they put out. Oh ya, and FR is bugged against us too, level differences affect the damage it does unlike other pet skills. It usually does less damage than a Bash in PvE and has nearly twice the reuse time.

In short, if you hate veno's so much stop asking us for help, and then refuse to let us into your RB/Zhen/TT/grinding squads.

This. All of what she said.
If there were some way to have BB affect all pets except herc and nix, it might be a plausible idea, but i doubt that's doable. My crystalline magmite would have benefited from BB in a couple FB/TT runs, but i'd much rather have a disadvantaged CM than having a ton of unkillable hercs running around.

and for the veno QQing... I've personally had someone *in my faction* rant about how much they hate venos while I was online >.> then later the same day bugged me to help with a TT run u.u;

Kazue - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

Unforunately, that's not going to happen. PWI simply will not remove $200 pets or even nerf them. The simple reason is venos do more than just qq, they stop buying $200 pets if they don't think they're worth $200. Otherwise fleshream would've been nerfed ages ago.b:chuckle

You know what would make more money? Put a $200 fleshream bow on the cash shop. And I'll guarantee you that every archer worth anything will be walking around with one.

Baraya - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You know what would make more money? Put a $200 fleshream bow on the cash shop. And I'll guarantee you that every archer worth anything will be walking around with one.

Hey, that's a great idea! They should add a game-killing cash shop item for every class so that they can maximize their money intake and allow all classes to Q.Q. Actually, they just might do that. Hmm... What would the game be like?
[/sarcasm]

Aadi - Lost City · August 2009

Baraya - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hey, that's a great idea! They should add a game-killing cash shop item for every class so that they can maximize their money intake and allow all classes to Q.Q. Actually, they just might do that. Hmm... What would the game be like?
[/sarcasm]

It would be balanced at a much higher level. o_o'

Kazue - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Baraya - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Hey, that's a great idea! They should add a game-killing cash shop item for every class so that they can maximize their money intake and allow all classes to Q.Q. Actually, they just might do that. Hmm... What would the game be like?
[/sarcasm]

Considering they already have a fleshream nix... so i don't see whats wrong with adding a fleshream bow. venos already has an advantage with the herc/nix... and yet the op has the balls to come out and ask for more. so whats wrong with an archer asking for a glitched fleshream bow?

Kazue - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

It would be balanced at a much higher level. o_o'

actually it won't. as level goes up nix bleed hurt less and less. archers would be able to survive a same level nix bleed (without genie skill), but i don't think a veno can survive an archer bleed. and since arrows travel much faster the the nix... venos would loss their edge in pvp. just think of a fleshream crit... LOL

Tombvixen - Heavens Tear · August 2009

1: I have tested the clerics RB on my herc, and noticed no change in atk rate or recharge rate of the hercs skills....the cleric agreed to this affect.

2: yes i have a herc, yes i solo A LOT, i have been told venos at my lvl cant solo things I can this being cause of my almost pure mag and -% build.

3: there are all class battle pets, their just not released here yet (another form of this YOUR GENIE, i have guildies who have genie crits that are almost comparable to mine

4: imagion the game w/o hercs nixes, everything takes longer, drops are fewer in availablity, prices then 2x-5x what they are now including gold to coin sale ratio, and when all the barbs on ur list 1 are busy 2 not high enough lvl 3 just cant be bothered who ya gonna get to help in ur fb or tt run? a clery tank thats just as squishy as you?

5: i would love BB to affect my pets (10 of them) however only 3 places i know of that this would be helpful 1 TT soulgatherer, drumer, and wurlord 2 frostcovered city (FC or FF w/e u call it yourself) in squad mode, and fb 69 last 2 bosses (have tryed with 3 venos +hercs and 2 clerics and still could do them) so over all i have no need of BB on my pets

6: my first char was a wizzy after lvl 46 i stoped playing it for a few reasons 1 couldnt stop dieing solo 2 always broke 3 few squads.....personaly i LOVE wizzies in any party i have they are the 2nd highest DD in the game only to archers and their steady crits (which btw sux lol if no barb in party)

7: if i could always have a party with veno barb 2cleric a archer and a wiz id be loving life...theres nothing u couldnt do in game as long as u take ur time and have good communication

8: i am a bit dif then most venos tho in my gameplay 1 am almost always broke lol 2 i run hpand mp charms 3 i love parties as long as everyone can function properly

but those are just MY THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS
I LOVE MY VENO AND HERC sawfly cub frog and more lolb:laugh

kkammy · August 2009

OK , we just spent 1 hour and 50 minutes with full squad Waiting for a Stupid barb to join our team for BH quest, wasting so much time and Coins in Teles, He finally comes and ask for a free charm or 300k even tho he also needs the quest.. we had to pay him cuz we had no option.

WHY Barbs Cry about Hercs taking their 'Jobs' when they are not there and when they are they come with all that greed..

My guess IS that the people who hates Venos , love to wait for Hours to even start a quest and spend so much coin Begging for a ball of hairs to wanna come and help and even pay him... What a BS!!

Make the Herc Stronger and See if we still beg for *** barbs.

Isala - Sanctuary · August 2009

kkammy wrote: »

OK , we just spent 1 hour and 50 minutes with full squad Waiting for a Stupid barb to join our team for BH quest, wasting so much time and Coins in Teles, He finally comes and ask for a free charm or 300k even tho he also needs the quest.. we had to pay him cuz we had no option.

WHY Barbs Cry about Hercs taking their 'Jobs' when they are not there and when they are they come with all that greed..

My guess IS that the people who hates Venos , love to wait for Hours to even start a quest and spend so much coin Begging for a ball of hairs to wanna come and help and even pay him... What a BS!!

Make the Herc Stronger and See if we still beg for *** barbs.

Could have been worse... One of my TTs had a drunk barb. Who refused to listen to the fact that a single Cleric couldn't outheal the damage he'd get, after our second Cleric went AFK for a bit. The jerk ended up running right into the boss, saying "MY GENIE CAN DO IT!" Yeah. He got pwnt. And we just left him there.

Baraya - Dreamweaver · August 2009

Kazue - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Considering they already have a fleshream nix... so i don't see whats wrong with adding a fleshream bow. venos already has an advantage with the herc/nix... and yet the op has the balls to come out and ask for more. so whats wrong with an archer asking for a glitched fleshream bow?

Actually, I was mostly agreeing with you... sarcastically. Eh, ignore me. I'm just very anti-boutique. ^_^

Bebisita - Dreamweaver · August 2009

OMG BRILLIANT!
Why not just release cash shop scrolls that cost $200 that teach venomancers the skill Blue Bubble exclusively for their legendary pets???
Can we say: Moneymoneymoneymoney ...... money!

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear · August 2009

kkammy wrote: »

OK , we just spent 1 hour and 50 minutes with full squad Waiting for a Stupid barb to join our team for BH quest, wasting so much time and Coins in Teles, He finally comes and ask for a free charm or 300k even tho he also needs the quest.. we had to pay him cuz we had no option.

.

Which BH boss ? (guessing if need a Barb its maybe Polearm)

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · August 2009

Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »

Could have been worse... One of my TTs had a drunk barb. Who refused to listen to the fact that a single Cleric couldn't outheal the damage he'd get, after our second Cleric went AFK for a bit. The jerk ended up running right into the boss, saying "MY GENIE CAN DO IT!"

I feel sry for you........ =_=

Yeah. He got pwnt. And we just left him there.

they make great sigs.

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · August 2009

Venos have heal pet for a reason use it.cleric don't need to use BB on pets to leach on our mana.I agree it would make Barb not needed in FBs.This is unless heal pet and revive were removed.

You would be able to go afk if we were do BB your pet as if you don't have it any easier.

/No

Brael - Dreamweaver · August 2009

I think you missed the OP's point, though I still agree with the conclusion. The person wasn't asking for the healing off BB only the 50% damage reduction. It would be bad in any form, even if veno's could do one that took the same mana as BB, and was ONLY the 50% mitigation, and only hit pets (notice, no healing from it) it would still be bad as that's a large increase in what two veno's can heal.

Isn't damage reduction wonderful?

Philly - Harshlands · August 2009

Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »

The problem is, on Sanctuary server, there is never enough barbs. High lvl barbs makes up perhaps 5% of all high lvl population. Since they end up doing rb gammas, it's extremely hard to get barbs for any other purposes. Normally, I would say no, for obvious reasons. But since the server is in steep shortage of tanks and overflows with clerics, having bb for hercs would make life easier for everyone. Now, gameplay is unnecessarily difficult due to lack of tanks. Besides, it would actually get venos into squads instead of having them solo farming TTs all the time. Nowdays, any mat that venos can solo are dirt cheap, all others are unnaturally expensive. Having bb affecting herc would actually balance out squad distribution as well as mat prices.

If things aren't already broken the way they are, I'd say no. But this would actually help make gameplay more enjoyable for everyone. Having all those venos soloing TT is what's imbalanced, any effort to get them back into squads benefit everyone.

if u want more barbs make the barb class stronger more end game barbs more tanks

dont not make venos any stronger plz

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear · August 2009

Philly - Harshlands wrote: »

if u want more barbs make the barb class stronger more end game barbs more tanks

dont not make venos any stronger plz

Make barbs stronger???ARE YOU MAD???They are beasts,literally,in endgame.

TheGoliath - Heavens Tear · August 2009

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Make barbs stronger???ARE YOU MAD???They are beasts,literally,in endgame.

u probably saw the usually 90+ massive zen user barb

there are little to no barbs that build a very threat with coins

Teiw - Sanctuary · April 2012

Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »

rofl? a TT without a veno....<.<.....yea...

*imagines it*

me: wtf? >.< why isnt there a veno in squad
party:we dun like venos we just QQ about them....
me:<.<...who lures o.o
party: the archer is
me:.....if u all die including me i am not rezing u -_-*gets aside rdy to use holy path*
archer: wtf i died RUN RUN*mobs come after whole party*
@&%$@# has left the party*
me:ok <.< the barb just exited*uses holy path and a chanel pill and escapes*

*stops imagening*

b:cutesee? venos are needed

I love this thread so very much. I think everybody should read it. b:cute

Also does blue bubble/regeneration aura affect pets too? It should because that would be awesome

. I swore when I first started playing that BB helped my pets resist damage against Soul Banisher's constant aoes in TT 1-2. b:victory

chaoticshelly · April 2012

Closed for necro.

BB for pets also...

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