BT vs BIDS

Jimmijam - Heavens Tear
Jimmijam - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
edited August 2009 in Wizard
i have always thought that BIDS was stronger in pve than BT but at lvl1 BT is alot stronger. does this stay the same at end game or does it switch and BIDS gets stronger?
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  • ilystah
    ilystah Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    If you test these 2 ulti against 1 target then there is a lot of factor that can distort the result, but the stats show that BIDS do more damage before factoring enemy stats in.

    You really can't compare the 2 to see which one are stronger without specifying the criteria, it would be like compare a car with a spoon and ask which one is better.

    If you talk about status effect BIDS beat BT hand down.
    If you talk about damage they are still too different to compare. BT is both physical and fire elemental so is good against robe user, whoever don't have fire resistant on and metal monster. BIDS is water so good against fire monster and whoever without water resistant. But if the target is equally resistant against all type of attack then BIDS beat BT hand down.
    If you talk about time efficiency then BIDS beat a bit and only a bit by 0.2 sec faster casting time.

    Overall I think BIDS is better BT better use is to beat low physical defence target.
  • CeliaZ - Sanctuary
    CeliaZ - Sanctuary Posts: 901 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Just a random mob: http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mob/7009

    Water and Fire defense are the same. But physical defense is lower. That is why BT does more damage on mobs.
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  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mobs tend to have less pdef than mdef, so if they're not fire mobs/increased defense, tempest away. Although, sparking/sutra > tempest for just 1 mob, so only use it if it hits 2+
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  • Jimmijam - Heavens Tear
    Jimmijam - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    ilystah wrote: »
    If you talk about damage they are still too different to compare. BT is both physical and fire elemental so is good against robe user, whoever don't have fire resistant on and metal monster. BIDS is water so good against fire monster and whoever without water resistant. But if the target is equally resistant against all type of attack then BIDS beat BT hand down.
    If you talk about time efficiency then BIDS beat a bit and only a bit by 0.2 sec faster casting time.

    Overall I think BIDS is better BT better use is to beat low physical defence target.

    i meant dmg wise on PVE only. i dont PVP. but BT will beat BIDS on a non element mob. at skill lvl 1 anyways. i get that as the mob has less phys def BT does more. i should have put my question better lol. what i was asking is that at higher lvls is BT better than BIDS for PVE. so take lvl 10 BIDS and lvl 10 BT and do it on a non element mob. which one does more dmg? the reason why is because i like big dmg and wanna see which skill to lvl first.
  • ilystah
    ilystah Posts: 59 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    If you want the maximum damage possible on non-elemental mobs, then find a monster in water, throw in a genie skill Battle Ripple of Oblivion, then do the level 10 BIDS.
    But I will take BT over BIDS anyday. BIDS help you kill much faster if you choose the correct mobs to grind on, but BT is what will help you a lot more when you face magic resistant mobs.
  • Jimmijam - Heavens Tear
    Jimmijam - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    Mobs tend to have less pdef than mdef, so if they're not fire mobs/increased defense, tempest away. Although, sparking/sutra > tempest for just 1 mob, so only use it if it hits 2+

    so BIDS wont do more dmg than BT at higher lvl apart from on fire mobs/increased defence? btw what lvl BT and BIDS do u have?
  • Amour - Lost City
    Amour - Lost City Posts: 1,825 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Jimmijam - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    so BIDS wont do more dmg than BT at higher lvl apart from on fire mobs/increased defence? btw what lvl BT and BIDS do u have?

    10 and 10 >_>
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  • Jimmijam - Heavens Tear
    Jimmijam - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Amour - Lost City wrote: »
    10 and 10 >_>

    nice b:pleased still baffles me that if u add up BT lvl 10 u get 400% + 7720.8 but BIDS u get 500% + 9648.9

    lol just worked it out and it dont baffle me no more lol.
    u get 2k dmg more and magic attack off a weapon will be maybe 1k? so thats like 3k. the phys resist isnt a huge diff % (less than 10%) wise so it would have to use base magic twice on BT? i got 3k-3.5k magic attack at 60 so at 90-100 itll be a lot higher. so BT does more dmg as it will have more than 3k from the base magic attack.
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    dont forget that BT dont oly double the weapon XX% and dmg bonus oly...it double the base mag atk that all skills have and wich is rly hight at hight lvs=P

    anyway sage bids>>>> any other ulty
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  • woyaa
    woyaa Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    BT>BIDS all situations for me

    BT = Base Magic (my big 7k-ish stat) Fire and Base magic Physical (so like 14k already) + 200% Weapon (my 1.5k~ish stat) Fire and 200% Physical (Another 6k) = 10k Physical + 10k Fire
    BIDS = Base Magic Water (7k-ish) + 500% Weapon (7.5k-ish) = 14.5k-ish Water only damage.

    Go figure.
    I managed to hit level 104 on a X5 rates server!
    b:cute
    How you level 101's on X1 can stand it, I don't know b:shocked
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Yawn, Dragon beats BT on heavy/LA after you get undine.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • woyaa
    woyaa Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    My server has Inactive Nirvana Urns. We have no 79 or 100 skills T.T
    I managed to hit level 104 on a X5 rates server!
    b:cute
    How you level 101's on X1 can stand it, I don't know b:shocked
    Woyaa|Level 104|Venomancer|Heaven|Heavy Fox
    SpringBud|Level 98|Wizard|Heaven|LA Mage <--Goes to DP
    Lowbie Alts:
    FrostSong|Level 90|Cleric|Heaven|Full Vit Cleric
    IcantPWN|Level 77|BladeMaster|Axe/Fists HA/LA
    X0neX|Level 89|Archer|Hell|Exotic EA (1 Mag each level)
    LaZy|Level 91|Cleric|Heaven|Full Int, retired
    T4nker|Level 8x|Barbarian|Full Con, playing on this one
  • FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver
    FireWizardEX - Dreamweaver Posts: 463 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Yawn, Dragon beats BT on heavy/LA after you get undine.

    even wihtout undine dragon>>>BT
    why?becuz at hight lv the pdef of all classes i huge...everbody forgets about mag res and oly see hp+pdef
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  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    well, this speaking from your experience, right?
    now joking aside, none is better than the other.
    Depends what class u hit. BT will **** Robes and LA, especially after an undine. BIDS is extremely good on HA in TW, especially if the communication with the cleric in your team is good and he debuffs the barb for mdef+undine+posion and BIDS can pretty much cripple a cata puller.
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Single target LA = undine + Dragon
    Multiple LA (TW/group) = BT, because you can't undine them all


    That's pretty much what I do, anyway. Also, if they have cleric+BM buffs Dragon will do better.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Mizorie - Lost City
    Mizorie - Lost City Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    woyaa wrote: »
    My server has Inactive Nirvana Urns. We have no 79 or 100 skills T.T

    nobody cares about private servers gtfo
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited August 2009
    Mizorie - Lost City wrote: »
    nobody cares about private servers gtfo

    what she said ^
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze

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