Axe BM THE ONLY BM

Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

because if you go with the standard axe build you dont have much dex =p

i agree xD

Moog - Lost City wrote: »

Thats why you get misty forest rings.

misty forest rings dont help unless you have high dex already =p

Arron im going to get misty forest rings so i can have better accuracy when using fists b:chuckle

The best Warrior, not "blade"master, is the one that can use ALL his skills in combination, for the best out come. (No one likes a one trick ponyb:victory).

Axes:
have the highest "spike" damage, 1 extra stun (only one), and most aoe skills.
BUT, for an axe only wr, they have horrible accuracy, evasion, crit rate, slow attack rate, the lowest dps, and lack of ranged skill

Polearms:
have the second highest spike dmg, 1 extra range attack (wr's furthers ranged attack), linear aoe bleed, and linear aoe(knockback)
BUT, for pole only, the second lowest acc., evasion, crit rate, attack speed, and OK dps

Swords:
Have 1 extra ranged attack, good dps, accuracy, evasion, crit rate, attack speed, and the sptrongest ult. move
BUT, for sword only, the secound lowest spike dmg, lack of aoe

fists:
have the best dps, accuracy, evasion, crit rate, attack speed, 1 small aoe(cancels chan.), increase own attack rate, ult skill(linear aoe)
BUT, for fist only, the lowest spike dmg, lack of range

Now that i've got the pros and cons out, why not combine weapons to benefit their weaknesses instead of fighting y this ones better than that one.

for example:
use axe for group dmg, pole for ranged dmg, swords for 1v1 that run, and fists for 1v1 that dont run

personaly, i am a dark: dex wr, and use axe, pole and claws. and sometimes swords

sorry for the lecture =P Play nice ^^

im a bowmaster >.> i beat 8x archers in duels with my lvl 3 bow b:chuckle

axes, poleblades, fists and swords= NUBFAIL. you really want to bring the heat? roll out the lvl 2 pataka. trust me, it's hot. il est feroce. b:chuckle

p.s. why doesn't my sig work?? i tried linking it with bb and html.. o.O

Whoa this thread still continues on?

I'm lvl 72 now Axe BM
231 str, 80 dex, 80 vit
I focus on HP/vit for armor bonuses (and phys def)
Anyways, In a TW, AoE stun, fissure, highland cleave, drake sweep = alot of dead casters.
Especially when I have a cleric spam healing me, use tree of protection, and have wizards/archers assisting with there AoE.

The only thing I ever have trouble hitting is an archer, but that's because they have as much dex as I do str. But! They can't dodge Roar lol

you know, since the genies era where thunderstorm got ingame, all the non axe lines lost their edge on anything, nothing compares to a thunderstorm under a dragon in pvp, sadly, now THAT made us a 1 trick poney class imho (when fighting on the ground or other melees)



at 90 blade gets a berzerk TT90 weapon, right? it used to be the time to switch from axe because of berzerk there but now with thunderstorm ingame, anyone going blade means they lose the easy ability to actually kill heavies with thunderstorm without even trying



great BMs uses more than 1 weapon? yeah, they also spend on a free game, sorry but normal people dont have the time and money to max 4 paths


plus if you do switch to actually kill people, dosnt that just make it pointless to be blade in the first place, if you only use it when you arnt actually doing anything?



genies killed the diversity of the BM imho



as for fists, the fact is most if not all good players that plays BM just dont wanna go fist, most fist users are new players that pve or dex freaks and alot of them even wear light armor....pvp is about spike dmg and fists has the crappiest spike dmg, thats all there is to it, good luck killing an arcane mage with 7.5k phy def with your fists...



as for axe having low accu and all that, if you play on a pve server and believe that an axe BM should be built like a pve barb, yes. and low crit rate, berzerk counts as a crit rate and i dont know about you but zerk rate + normal crit rate and they actually stack for a X4 dmg hit...you really think some couple higher % crit rate on a pole etc compares to that?


also, just a reminder, if you talk about pvp and mention bleeds, you lose all crediblity, our bleeds are not glitched, they are working as intended aka waste of a skill useage in pvp

They are referring only to mage arcanes, who get a +120% boost from stone barrier with the celestial version. Add in cleric buff and blademaster buff in party, and they only need 2.2k phys def. Which at the point they are talking about, can have around 500+ from normal arcane armor, and a large amount from just refining a high grade necklace and belt. Toss in sharding refined robes with phys def, and it isn't very hard for mages to do.

Course it only take a veno to purge them, but usually the mage won't be priority for that over barbs anyways. Only in smaller types of PvP do mages get priority kill, since they are squishy as hell without buffs, and easy pickings before turning on more armored targets.

Kyna - Lost City wrote: »

Oh, well if you're talking level 89+ then yeah, I can believe it then xD >_> but we'll see what fist skills look like at that level too. They hit harder and they still interrupt casting. >_> I mean really now.

Wizards at 9x are able to get more HP than a Fist user and more Pdef than any BM (both classes being full buffed).

Kyna - Lost City wrote: »

Okay... um... Arcane mage with 7.5k def?? Suuuure, when you see one tell me >_> I'd like to know how an arcane user could have that much physical def. Unless they were in light but then they wouldn't be arcane.

Also, yeah, Fists aren't good solo PvP where you can get ganged up on but, when you have one team of players vs. another, fists are fun to mess with. Stuns, high dps, high evasion, and cast interrupting skills? Hell yes ^^ Fists take technique which a lot of people can't understand so they roll axe because it's easier... >_> don't hate it because it takes thought to play well.

Also, how many times have you been able to nab an archer before they hit you once? None? Hm, I wonder why. Even if you have berserk on your weaponry doesn't mean that it's actually gonna hit your opponent and you still have very low evasion. Really in the end, your style of play and gear is what matters as to what is really good for what. Not saying that all axes are bad, they're just significantly easier to build and play than a Fist. If they weren't it wouldn't be so popular.

All I ever see pvp axe users do on LC is take down squishie clerics half their level while they are occupied. I guess they're happy with that kind of fail

want me to find one? ok, Nurfed has that if not alot more now


as for missing archers, you're 70 right once you hit 77 youll understand, my BM has more accuracy than my pure dex archer (BM being 86 archer being 82)


as for only being able to kill sqishies ask your mages around who would they rather fight a +6 GX or some fists BM, but like i said most people that uses fists will go all out dex and DPS in pve so they dont have much hp etc, which unlike barbs, you cant afford to lose too much hp, im sure its fun and all, but when someone says a fist BM is a threat to him, ill start listening

Kyna - Lost City wrote: »

Yeah well seeing is believing right?

And quite honestly you miss the point that BM get more accuracy/evasion per dex point than archers... oddly enough... Don't ask me how it works that way but for whatever reason it does. Blademasters get 10 accuracy and 10 evasion per dex point and Archers get 8 accuracy and 6 evasion. *shrug*

Anyway.

So if your level 86 Axe BM has high accuracy then you can only take a guess at the kind of accuracy and evasion my fist BM is going to have when she reaches that level. And she's not PURE dex. I tried to keep in mind that I was in fact playing on a PvP server xD I kept enough Str for heavy armor. It may be a level below what I should be wearing at my level but just the same it has more physical defense than light armor my level so it works out alright, I haven't had many problems with it. Shards and the equipment bonuses are also a factor. I like to go with HP shards and extra vitality in gear and sometimes even more evasion. A lot of the fist weaponry gives +x amount of vitality as well. Seems like they were pushing vitality eh?

Buuuut, like I said, fist is just a hard build to master. I may restat a few times before finding the perfect build for me, but for right now, this works pretty well. Honestly I wish people could just see that it's all about your style of play.

yes BMs get more out of dex but archer stats more dex duh, my point is fist BMs acts as if only they can get accuracy high enough to hit people, accuracy just like evasion is random and once you got a good base number having more is useless, ESP if we talk about fighting mages and clerics...archer is the easiest to kill anyway and you said yourself your armor isnt even as high as you could for your lvl? so, a downgraded armor on a TANK class? that makes sense


you know actually ive never seen a high fist pvp BM, id love to, though

Xheart - Harshlands wrote: »

yes BMs get more out of dex but archer stats more dex duh, my point is fist BMs acts as if only they can get accuracy high enough to hit people, accuracy just like evasion is random and once you got a good base number having more is useless, ESP if we talk about fighting mages and clerics...archer is the easiest to kill anyway and you said yourself your armor isnt even as high as you could for your lvl? so, a downgraded armor on a TANK class? that makes sense


you know actually ive never seen a high fist pvp BM, id love to, though

*facepalm* You're missing the frigging point! >.< If Blademasters get more dex per point they don't HAVE to spec as much dex to get the same results!!!! DUH! And you know, even if you do put it that way it's not as much about the accuracy so much as it is the CRITICAL STRIKE RATE, which is what a fist user needs to deal even more damage along with their speed. And can anyone guess what you need for your critical strike rating to go up? *shock* dexterity, there you go. That was SO hard to figure out.

Jesus.

Okay, also, my point in having enough Str left for a downgraded heavy armor is because I gear for the situation. If I'm gonna be going up against mobs that are caster mobs, I wear light, if I'm going against something with a physical blow, I wear heavy, hell, sometimes I wear a mix and I even have it set so I can switch out my armor set in 2 seconds if I need to. Also the point is that even a level 60 heavy has more physical resistance than a level 90 light armor. SO! Are you paying attention? I normally wear the heavy set since the only things that seem to really attack me while I'm out grinding is a barbarian, an Archer, or another BM, usually one of the meathead axe users. Soooo, should I speak slowly for you here?

Too bad I don't have that option and you actually have to read.

I have very high evasion, very high accuracy, high DPS, and decent defense. melee attackers miss me a lot and then even when they do hit me I don't take much damage.

Oh, and Blademasters aren't technically a tanking class. Yes, they can wear heavy, yes, they can have a lot of hp and pysical def, and YES, they CAN tank things if speced to tank. However, if blademasters were meant to be a primarily tanking class, we would have more moves that increase threat levels, stuns don't count. So far as I know, we only have one and it doesn't really work that well.

Funny that you should even mention the diversity in the BM category since you seem to really think that an axe is the only way to go.

And you want to see a high level PvP fist? Just wait until I get there and you'll see it.